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TSA Costing Airlines Millions!  
User currently offlineLearjet23 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2077 times:

So many people, me at the head of the list... have bought big honking SUV's and just gave up on flying on trips of 500 miles or less, you can damn near come close to the same time it takes door to door given the delays, two hour early arrival rule, and other factors, and save big on the only expense, gas. The hassel and headache of the TSA shaking down old grandmas, and in the recent news article, feeling up new mothers brests for weapons, and making a man take off his jogging paints in full view of the other pax (same article) has no doubt had a worse impact overall as far as the number of people turning away from flying due to the pressure and hassel of this insanity related to security (?) than what happened on 911. I saw in the flim "911" a funny bit on what the TSA will allow you to carry on! butane lighters, 6 books of matches, etc! Anyway, do anyone of you think the Airlines will ever step in and develope a real and efficent methoed of security that won't cause all this total B.S.? remember, we had the same security in place on 911, and the maggots just sailed right past the scanner and on one case, a pat down!

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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 613 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1975 times:

Security is security, stuff is gonna happen, and security agents will slip. It doesn't matter what system is place. Stuff is gonna happen. Deal with it.


ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2229 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1951 times:
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remember, we had the same security in place on 911

Beg your pardon?



Less sarcasm and more thought equal better understanding
User currently offlineEspion007 From Denmark, joined Dec 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1925 times:

Beg your pardon?

reminds me of how i got a bb gun modelled after an AK-47 through JFK a couple months after 9/11 -and to add the the irony when the TSA found a pair of manicure scissors in our bags,they went crazy.



Snakes on a Plane!
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1922 times:

remember, we had the same security in place on 911

Beg your pardon?


A large number of the TSA screeners previously worked for private contractors that did the job previously, which is why so much stuff is still slipping past.


User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13170 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1840 times:

Due to the additional time needed for security, busy time air traffic, long check in times, etc, in some parts of the country if you have to go up to 300-400 miles, you may be better off driving than flying, especially if when get to destination have to drive anyway.
Lets say I have to go from where I live in northern NJ to the Boston suburban area on a Monday morning. I have to drive to EWR (30 mins). Park the car, get to the terminal and check in area (20 mins + /total: 50 mins.) Check in, go through security and to the gate (30 mins/1h:20m); Be at a/c at least 20 mins before flight time (20 min/1h:40m); Delays on the runway conga line for take off (20 min/2h); Flight time to BOS (1H:10m/3h:10m); off a/c, get bags, to rental car station and pick up car (40m/3h:50m); Drive to destination (50m/4h40m total). Of course the total time can be different if the is a long line for security, or a security emergency/evacuation where it may take hours to get another flight.
On such short trips using my own car, I get into it at home, drive directly there in probably about the same amount of time. While driving has it's own safety and other risks (accidents, traffic jams), I have the freedom to leave when the work is done and not have to do the above in reverse. Also I may not be able to get on the next fight I think can make, or plans get changed and get home a lot sooner. If I get done sooner with my work, then I can go home much sooner than changing my flight plans. If my employer is paying mileage, it is probably significantly cheaper than the airfare alone. I have my own car there. I get to drive my car for a good ride (which I don't mind doing). I get the freedom of IDE (in-drive entertainment) on the radio/CD player. See scenery along the way. Don't get me wrong, I love to fly, and if going to a city center or someplace close to the airport, then flying may break even on time and be better.


User currently offlineElwood64151 From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 2477 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1835 times:

Srbmod:

Actually, I think the reason things are slipping past is that no one who is actually intelligent enough to do the job wants to have it. When I lost my job at NJ, I never even looked at TSA (ITS at MCI). It wasn't even worth considering, because I knew I'd have to pat-down old, stinky men and wouldn't be allowed anywhere near the hot 18 year old co-eds heading off for spring break. So what's my reward for getting yelled at by people who refuse to think that there is a war of ideologies going on or that it should somehow affect them?

Which brings me to my next point: We're in a war, people! A war where the only victor is the last one left standing! Learn to deal with inconveniences like mature adults! Don't bring items you know are going to be confiscated! Put-up, shut-up, and let those of us behind you get through the line.

By the way, unless you're doing 150mph, you do not spend an equal amount of time driving 500 miles as you would by flying. Averaging 60 mph (let's face it, you're going to stop for gas, food, and if nothing else, a pee break), it'll take you eight hours to travel by car, but only about three and a half (including baggage pick-up) by aircraft.

Even the most insane connecting point (for example, connecting MCI-ATL-MEM) would take you six hours assuming a one hour layover in ATL. Believe me, I've driven MCI-MEM. It's not a six hour trip. While it's 374 miles straight-line, it's 517 miles by interstate, and that's a 7 hour 45 minute trip.



As they say, "Learn to live with disappointment."

Edited portion follows

Oh, yeah, I'm assuming you arrive the recommended 2 hours before flight time.

[Edited 2004-10-13 21:49:02]


Those who fail to learn history are doomed to repeat it in summer school.
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1746 times:

By the way, unless you're doing 150mph, you do not spend an equal amount of time driving 500 miles as you would by flying.

Ok, well lets say that I want to drive from Spokane to Seattle, it is about a 5-6 hour drive. I get in my car and go, maybe with a stop in Moses Lake to pee and take on gas....total cost to me about two tanks of gas, say sixty bucks.

In order to take the same trip by plane, spend a half an hour getting to the airport and finding parking, or going through the hassle of finding somebody to drop me off. I have to arrive at the airport a recommended two hours early. Get on a Dash 8 that will do the trip in about an hour and a half, Spend at least 1/2 an hour getting baggage from the baggage claim, Another half an hour in the line at the rental car place.

So by my math the same trip takes .5+2+1.5+.5+.5=5 hours.

Costs associated with the trip, Gas to get to the airport, long term parking charges, The plane ticket, and a rental car.

Even if the trip by road is longer, it still wins because of the cash outlay.

There are only two reasons to take a trip (Ingoring all of airfans who fly becasue we want to) That is, the plane either is going to take you some where that you can get any other way (Big reason for flying in Alaska for example) or the time that it would take to travel through another, cheaper method is worth more then the cost involved.

The delays caused by the neo-nazi's at the TSA are really changing the balance of that equasion, making longer trips more justifiable, for use of other modes of transport.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1750 times:

Even the most insane connecting point (for example, connecting MCI-ATL-MEM) would take you six hours assuming a one hour layover in ATL. Believe me, I've driven MCI-MEM. It's not a six hour trip. While it's 374 miles straight-line, it's 517 miles by interstate, and that's a 7 hour 45 minute trip.

What road did you take? I can get from my grandpa's house near Jonesboro, AR and get to Kansas City in about 6 hours.


User currently offlineB727 From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 522 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1705 times:

It's not costing the airlines millions... they are passing it and fuel surcharges on to us passengers. Fees Fees and more Fees. Lower taxes and more Fees, its that american way

B727
Glenn


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1662 times:

***""Which brings me to my next point: We're in a war, people! A war where the only victor is the last one left standing! Learn to deal with inconveniences like mature adults! Don't bring items you know are going to be confiscated! Put-up, shut-up, and let those of us behind you get through the line.""***


that explains why 80 year old Grandmas are searched. Are we in a war with Clearwater Florida or something????

Right behind Grandma is a guy who looks like Osama Bin Ladin's twin brother wearing a big ol white robe and turban, big beard, he sets off the metal detector, they wand him quickly and send him on his way, doesn't get his shoes checked, doesn't have to remove his turban. Grandma in the meantime has to take her shoes off, she nearly falls and no one helps her, they just yell at her for holding up the line... In the meantime, 10 TSA agents are standing around talking about the Yankees vs. Redsox

Yeah this is the TSA folks...

Thousands Standing Around
Tom's (Ridge) Stupid Assholes




User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1644 times:

***""It's not costing the airlines millions... they are passing it and fuel surcharges on to us passengers. Fees Fees and more Fees. Lower taxes and more Fees, its that american way""***

When people stop flying its costing them millions


User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

HlywdCatft, you forgot to use the big red font. Besides, some of the nastiest 80-year-old grandma's I've ever met were in airports. Especiallty if they were traveling to/from PBI.

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3651 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 1540 times:

We did not have the same security on 9/11. That is a simple fact. Argenbright Security provided security to 40% of airports in this country, including (IIRC) two of the airports used in 9/11. Argenbright Security is now out of the airport security business.

Argenbright, and other private security firms, hired convicted felons without a background check. These employees were all fired when the TSA took over. The TSA has had its own share of problems doing background checks, but it's nothing, nothing, nothing like it used to be.

That's just one change. Look up all the laws passed since 9/11 relating to aviation security; there are a whole lot of them, and regulations for both security employees and passengers are much stricter now - as they should be.

If it's costing the airlines money, tough. Nobody forced them to start an airline. Get rid of security and you'd have dozens of planes falling out of the sky on a weekly basis, which would not be very good for business either. Regardless, aviation safety should not be driven by concerns over profit; this is about public safety, and when the public buys a ticket they have a right to expect that they will step off that plane in one piece at their destination. That is the bottom line, not the balance sheet of the airlines.



I'm tired of being a wanna-be league bowler. I wanna be a league bowler!
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1396 times:

Spacecadet.

Check your facts.

Airport security on 9/11 did not allow a single prohibited item to be carried on the aircraft by the hijackers.

All those laws you cite do are infrindge on civil liberties, cost the traveler money, create goverment waste, and slow down travel.

It wasn't needed.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1378 times:

***""We did not have the same security on 9/11.""**

I was at DTW when the big changeover of the private companies went to TSA. I know of several Huntleigh Security workers that got hired by the TSA. Infact the majority of TSA workers after the changeover were former Huntleigh and Prospect workers.


User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 1360 times:

Apparently, the TSA's costing everyone millions, spending lavishly on themselves and not just on security:

Here's the link.

They recently "spent nearly a half-million dollars on an awards ceremony at a lavish hotel.... Awards were presented to 543 Transportation Security Administration employees and 30 organizations, including a "lifetime achievement award" for one worker with the 2-year-old agency. Almost $200,000 was spent on travel and lodging for attendees..."


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1203 times:

Lifetime achievement award?

That is rich.

Clearly though, the TSA is a fradulant agency, who's job was done better by the private contractors pre-9/11



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineUsa4624 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 278 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1195 times:

So it's OK to bring items through that are going to be confiscated when we're not at war?  Acting devilish

***""Which brings me to my next point: We're in a war, people! A war where the only victor is the last one left standing! Learn to deal with inconveniences like mature adults! Don't bring items you know are going to be confiscated! Put-up, shut-up, and let those of us behind you get through the line.""***


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 1186 times:

Again, I point out that private security did not allow a single prohibited item through with the 9/11 hijackers.

Everything they used at the time was legal.

Creating the TSA was a waste and unneeded, All it did was give a bunch of Cro-mangnon police officers who where bored by a lack of physical action, a place to vent.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
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