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UK CAA To Withdraw 6 MAS Flights Into UK  
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 6
Posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

I heard a rumour from a friend (who happens to fly for the 'world's favourite') that the UK CAA is to withdraw traffic rights for Malaysia Airlines on 6 weekly services into the UK from 2005. This is directly due to the expiration of the Virgin-Malaysia Airlines code-share agreement signed in 1995.

Rumour also has it that these 6 frequencies (presumable ex-LHR) will be reissued to British Airways to relaunch flights back into Kuala Lumpur.

1. Is this not rather unfair of the UK CAA to 'withdraw' traffic rights in favour of a local carrier?

2. Virgin Atlantic as far as I know block books about 30 seats on two daily services operated by MAS - which would account for about 420 seats a week in each direction between London and Kuala Lumpur - which would only translate to just over one weekly 747 service in capacity terms and not the 6 frequencies proposed to be removed.

3. When MAS applied to obtain British Airways' 7 weekly slots when BA withdrew from Malaysia a few years ago - the UK CAA declined and offered MAS an additional 4 services only into LHR. So - how can they be justified in removing more traffic rights than was first granted?

This will be very important to the next round of talks to be held between Malaysia and the UK - and could in fact cause major negative publicity for British Airways in Malaysia if it does indeed plan to return at MAS' cost...

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 15364 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 3911 times:
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I would tend to agree.

However, 99%* of all rumours here on a.net have about as much substance as a chocolate teapot, so lets wait till we have some definite news before we become Mr Angry!  Smile

*87.65% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

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User currently offlineOdie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 3648 times:

I believe these 6 weekly rights were awarded to Virgin instead of Malaysia Air. Under the agreement, MH will operate the additional 6 weekly flights on behalf of Virgin and in return, VS gets to block 30-35 seats on MH 1/2/3/4/122/123 with fifth freedom rights on MH 122/123 (KUL-SYD-KUL sector).

By the way, I thought BA kept their rights to Malaysia even though they suspended their KUL operations.

User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 3430 times:

What will happen to the MAN flights? I highly doubt that BA or Virgin would even show a flicker of interest in serving KUL from MAN.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12976 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3382 times:

Even if the UK CAA do withdraw the MAS rights to fly into the UK then it will be a breach a power, in favour of a local carrier (BA). If the withdraw was about safety concerns then it would be justified to withdraw the rights. But lets just wait and see.

User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 25
Reply 5, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 3326 times:

Yikes this is scary prospect. If 6 weekly flights are removed, only 12 weekly flights are left - so that's not even twice daily!!!  Angry Let's just hope that it ain't true  Sad

User currently offlineOdie From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (11 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 3313 times:

From other forums, there are rumors that MH might increase its flight to Manchester from 4 to 7 weekly B744 flights - perhaps an indicator that they might be forced to reduce its flights? The least the UK CAA can do is to grant MH two additional weekly rights to make 14 weekly flights instead of 12.

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