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Halifax Crash Landing?  
User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47862 times:

Anyone hearing anything this morning of a crash at Halifax, N.S.?
Airport apparently without power and runway lights out of service, but can't find anything on the web yet.

Jeffrey


"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
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User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47573 times:

Hearing it's an MK Cargo 747-200F from BDL-YHZ that over ran the runway.
No further word and nothing on the web...

Jeffrey



"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47400 times:

Hearing the a/c crashed on takeoff, airport is closed and they are not allowing pasengers in the building.


Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineZonks From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47378 times:

CBC's news page has a little blurb on it:

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html


User currently offlineA340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1981 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47371 times:

More info...this apparently happened on takeoff, not landing. Airport is closed according to our staff in YHZ. MKA1602 would be the flight number, operating CYHZ-LEZG (ZAZ/Zaragoza, Spain). Prayers with the flight crew.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html
Quoting the story...
HALIFAX - A Boeing 747 cargo plane has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.

The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene.

Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.

The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.

No other details are available



[Edited 2004-10-14 10:50:51]


"Irregardless, it's a Cat III airplane, we don't need an alternate!"
User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 47315 times:

According to http://www.flytecomm.com MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 a cargo 747-200. Took off from BDL at 0003 and arrived YHZ at 0214.
But then it shows MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 departing YHZ at 0207 and arriving Zaragoza, Spain (and Territories) (LEZG) at 1227.

I found this press realease which I got from CBC News Link here:http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/14/plane_halifax041014.html

Cargo plane crashes at Halifax airport
Last Updated Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:40:50 EDT
HALIFAX -A Boeing 747 cargo plane with seven crew members has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.
The MK Airlines jet, which had been loaded with tractors and seafood, crashed as it was taking off, ending up in a rock quarry.
The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene. There is no word on casualties. Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.
The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.
No other details are available.



User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7110 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47242 times:

Were there any casualties that have been reported?

User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47226 times:

Massive explosion acft tookoff rwy24 and really never got airborne.
rgds/jetset


User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 548 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47204 times:

Well, apparently you're much faster than me A340Spotter.
I hope all the crew members are ok. No word yet on casualties.


User currently offlineN754pr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 47061 times:

Another MK 742F written off..... not very good



User currently offlineJetset From Canada, joined Jun 2001, 353 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 46987 times:

Word has it that the acft over-rotated did a tail strike breaking the tail
section off and continued passed the runway end and exploded.
Once again this is early information.
RGDS/JETSET


User currently offlineBottie From Belgium, joined May 2004, 281 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 46648 times:

Sad to hear this ...

It's just a matter of minutes Wiloo wil open the attack on MK-Airlines, which has recently moved to OST ...


User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 46461 times:

Aerial shot of the airport just for interest (taken 11/9/01, hence the amount of aircraft).


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Halifax International Airport



Cheers,

Rob K  Sad


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 46356 times:

Reported elsewhere as 9G MKJ


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Click here for bigger photo!

Photo © Sven De Bevere




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User currently offlineNORTHSEATIGER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 46186 times:

Another thread reports 7 Fatalities. RIP our thoughts are with you.


T's And P's look good....Rotate
User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3958 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 46185 times:

Reported elsewhere...

Where is 'elsewhere' ?

RK


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12565 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 46151 times:

This is the second 747F MK has lost in about a year (can't remember the exact date of the last one); they lost one in Nigeria not so long ago.

Doesn't give one much confidence in the carrier.

Sadly, it sounds as if all on board were lost.


User currently offlineB-HOX From Canada, joined Aug 2000, 227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 46116 times:

ouch... bad weather?

R.I.P


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 46108 times:


View Large View Medium

Photo © Halifax International Airport


Although I `know' YHZ I can't recall the exact runway orientation (north,south,east,west).
So on the photo above, which position is the runway 24 crash end? i.e. 12 , 3, 6 , or 9 o'clock?
The 3 and 6 o'clock ends would be near the main highway IIRC?

[Edited 2004-10-14 13:11:41]


` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
User currently offlineLXLGU From South Africa, joined Sep 2000, 1085 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 45985 times:

MK lost a 747-200 on 27/11/2001 at ENUGU Nigeria with the loss of
1 person-Aircraft crashed short of the runway


User currently offlineBottie From Belgium, joined May 2004, 281 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 45904 times:

@ Kaitak:

27-NOV-2001 Boeing 747-246F 9G-MKI crashed at Port Harcourt


http://www.canada.com/maritimes/news/story.html?id=b2165ae9-5dfe-484a-8922-118037ae0554

[Edited 2004-10-14 13:25:14]

User currently offlineYYZUla From Poland, joined Feb 2004, 73 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 44899 times:

The RCMP was just on the radio. He said that there are no survivors.

User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1567 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 44707 times:

BBC news reports it crashed into a quarry at the end of the runway on take-off. No survivors of the 7 crw. Beleived to be South African or Zimbabwean, but possibly British:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/3742922.stm


User currently offlineDiesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1638 posts, RR: 11
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 44631 times:

B-HOX
The link on Bottie's post reports good weather, partly cloudy with light winds.

RobK
The website was PPRuNe



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User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2098 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 44369 times:

Over-rotation was mentioned....sounds like a visual reproduction of that fake Air Canada 747 crash photo that pops up from time to time. Yikes. To open with the speculation (which, no doubt, some here will say `No! Wait for the official report 9 months from now!' yeah right): cargo shifting or improper weight n' balance issues?


` Yeaah! Baade 152! Trabi of the Sky! '
25 Slawko : VOODOO It would be the end that is not visable in that picture, 24 runs from left to right (off the picture)
26 Post contains images Voodoo : Thanks Slawko, Now that I can better visualize it.... its all the more affecting....
27 StudentFlyer : My deepest sympathy to the victims of the crash. May they rest in peace. BTW, any further info? Thanks, AK
28 Post contains links and images Bottie : the first pics are coming up: and for real-player-users: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/rm-newsworld/murphy_crash041014.rm[Edited 2004-10-14 15:04:27]
29 Bmacleod : As of 7:00, flights have started to resume on a limited basis. It's like Swissair all over again.....
30 Post contains links and images RobK : It crashed off the end of Rwy 06 for those interested. The other overhead image I found won't produce a picture - I think it's something to do with th
31 LXLGU : Aircraft is ex South African ZS-SAR-Waterberg-which was operated as a combi
32 Babaero : Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA. Can any
33 Post contains links and images RobK : Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA. Can any
34 Miamix707 : oh wow. Sad news, by the looks of the wreckage it doesn't look survivable. Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US
35 BA777 : Such a shame, a great airline lose another aircraft. I think from what news reports say it might be misloading of cargo or similar that lead to the in
36 Bottie : has the registration been confirmed yet?
37 AvroArrow : Truly tragic news. I actually just bought the World Air Routes DVD of MK Airlines about a week ago. It makes me shudder to think that there might be a
38 UA777222 : Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US again. I don't think the FAA has anything to do with this seeing how both
39 Arrow : "However thats just the press, we all know what they're like!" Before everyone starts slagging the press -- remember that without it you wouldn't know
40 Post contains links 7of9 : Here's a link to the story or you can check it out at www.ghanaweb.com and go to the news section dated 10/14/04. Report shows that all six crew from
41 SA006 : Oh my...I have flown ZS-SAR...can't remember it though since I was pretty young yet I do have some pics of 9G-MKJ in JNB...this is sad...I feels weird
42 Post contains images RobK : Bottie The rego is 9G-MKJ as already mentioned twice in the thread! Cheers, Rob K
43 Post contains links SA006 : http://www.airdisaster.com/news/1004/14/news2.shtml There is a pic of the crash on that page...sorry not the best site but its there. Rgds SA006
44 Post contains links and images Bottie : @RobK: http://aviation-safety.net/database/2004/041014-0.htm not confirmed yet
45 RobK : Bottie, it is confirmed regardless of what that or any other source may state. Cheers, RK
46 HAVIK747 : An MK Airlines Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into a rock quarry at the end of a runway immediately after takeoff from Halifax, Canada. The fate of th
47 Boeing757/767 : The aircraft did not come from New York. It left from Hartford (BDL).
48 LY4XELD : HAVIK747, It was confirmed by the CBC that all 7 crew members were killed in the crash. The Transportation Safety Board is assembling a team in Ottawa
49 Kaitak : The sister aircraft of this 747 - the other SAA 747-200 Combi - was the one which crashed near Mauritius in (I think) 1987 with the loss of all 150 on
50 Chris78cpr : My condolences to the family of all the crew. It's such a shame to hear of this happening, to my faveourite aircraft too. Chris
51 Post contains images Samurai 777 : A great tragedy. RIP all crew members in the accident and condolences to their loved ones.
52 Post contains images Haan : Yes Kaitak Its very ironic that both the 2 ex SAA B747-200 Combi's have now been in accidents resulting in fatalities. The first one was indeed ZS-SAS
53 Scandinavian : Halifax International Airports´s website do have some information about this sad disaster. www.hiaa.ca My condolences to the families and friends of
54 Haan : Just realized now that I drove past the exact aircraft yesterday morning on the ramp at Johannesburg Intl at the Cargo section,wanting to take a pictu
55 GARUDAROD : I agree a truly sad day. Deepest condolences to the family and friends of the crew. It makes it double sad for me personally, I was responsible for a
56 Post contains links Redngold : Latest from Yahoo!/AP: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041014/wl_nm/canada_crash_dc The tail section fell off as it left the ground? Som
57 N317as : Metal fatigue or one heck of a tail strike. Who knows. it's all speculation at this point. Our prayers are with the crew and their families. R.I.P.
58 DIA : I think it is important to note the "tail" left the a/c, not the "tail section". . . . .all the photos of this portion testify to this currently anyho
59 Thrust : Will there be any 747 groundings because of this accident? Because if there is a problem Boeing engineers must find and treat the source. Somebody men
60 MissedApproach : I agree with DIA, in the CTV broadcast it looks like just the left elevator & a small section of tailcone. Reportedly this is the 4th accident since
61 Qwerty : Bill Fowler, a TSB spokesman, said the downed jet was likely equipped with depleted uranium, a radioactive material often used as ballast in the rudde
62 Francoflier : A visual witness reported that the a/c initiated its take off run from an intersection about 700 from the threshold, from which 2000 meters of the 270
63 Post contains images Spdbrdconcorde : Rest In Peace...God Bless All those Concerned and Give them strength and hope to move on..
64 AC861 : I was at YHZ today, doing a tour of the airport with my school (Atlantic Flight Attendant Academy) and had the chance to talk to the staff...initial i
65 Bruce : If I remember correctly there was a accident similar to this one a few years ago at MIA with an old FineAir DC8 where the load shifted as it was on TO
66 N754PR : Very sad, they are in and out of Macau all the time and you always hear the South African pilots on the radio.......
67 LY744 : "A visual witness reported that the a/c initiated its take off run from an intersection about 700 from the threshold, from which 2000 meters of the 27
68 ChrisNH : "Why would the crew of a heftily loaded 747 give up such a significant amount of runway on their T/O roll?" Would an instrument malfunction cause them
69 EMBQA : Would an instrument malfunction cause them to THINK they were at rotate speed when they really weren't? You never know, but that is what caused the Ai
70 Greasespot : Just because there is a long runway does not mean that an aircraft will use it...even when heavy. Aircraft take-offs are not guess whork. They pretty
71 Post contains images Mikester540 : So it was the vertical stabilator that broke off? What kind of tail strike does that? You'd think the whole tail section would crumple and break off..
72 N685FE : One of the links I read above said that they only stoped in Halifax for splash and go. Does anyone know for a fact that they did take on additional c
73 NorthStarDc4M : they loaded seafood at YHZ... report i saw said 2000kgs, mostly lobster
74 AAplatnumflier : WOuld this cause any other airline who ownes a 742 to possibly have the airplane overlooked. By the way may those who have lost or are lost Rest in Pe
75 MD11LuxuryLinr : That's one hell of a tailstrike to bust off the rear stab like that. I would imagine that the whole empennage would come apart... I'm not going to fue
76 LY744 : "Just because there is a long runway does not mean that an aircraft will use it..." 8800ft is not all that long, let alone 6600ft (2000m). LY744.
77 Post contains links N685FE : http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/15/1097784016541.html?oneclick=true "It had stopped to refuel and pick up fish supplies in Halifax." http://www
78 MD11LuxuryLinr : If there was a balance problem, wouldn't the crew have noticed something was awry during the takeoff run.. assuming the load didn't shift during rotat
79 KHKAIR : Now I am getting worried about taking off for a long haul flight next time as the 747 will be heavy with fully loaded pax, cargos and fuel. I notice t
80 PITrules : Exactly how close is this rock quarry to the end of the runway? Of all the things to have at the end of a runway!?!?! Water or even a building would b
81 CO737800 : Word on the news tonight they might have taken a shortcut to the runway and not had the full runway to lift off
82 StudentFlyer : What caused them to take a shortcut on the runway (if they really did)? Are they in a hurry at all? Or late? Or is it just a mistake? Sorry if I specu
83 Post contains links and images Bruce : Here's the right way to take off the tail pieces: View Large View MediumPhoto © Linze Folkeringa View Large View MediumPhoto © Willem Honder
84 CO737800 : I think it would have been a mistake. I dont see how the crew could think that a fully loaded 747 cargo plane could have made it off the ground with a
85 Post contains links Berlinspotter : that's the aircraft: http://www.planemad.net/data/list/Boeing/747/22170.html RIP
86 B741 : I am wondering why none of the major American radio and tv stations carried this terrible tragedy while it was first news on all the Canadian networks
87 StudentFlyer : I am wondering why none of the major American radio and tv stations carried this terrible tragedy while it was first news on all the Canadian networks
88 AAgent : B741, If the crash had been a commercial air carrier filled with passengers then it would most likely have made the U.S. headlines. However, a foreign
89 David T : A cargo 747 does not have the same impact that a fully loaded passenger 747 has. 1 million shrimp and a John Deere doesn't get people watching CNN. Th
90 WJA73G : My thoughts are with the Seven Crew members who perished aboard. ---God Bless you--- WJA73G
91 Spacecadet : Would an instrument malfunction cause them to THINK they were at rotate speed when they really weren't? You never know, but that is what caused the Ai
92 AFROTC : A terrible event indeed, my thoughts to the family members of the lost crew.
93 Andz : I just heard on the 6am news that 2 of the crew members were South African, confirmed by the Department of Foreign Affairs.
94 AC861 : In anunrelated event, YHZ had a major security breach this evening, apparently a door into the secure area was left open for an unknown amount of time
95 Nudelhirsch : What sad news. I have been following that thread since many hours now. I only can say that my paryers are with the crew and the families of the perish
96 Bigblack : Sad news. Thoughts to friends and family.
97 CYLW : No, that is not what caused the Air Florida 737 to crash at DCA Their instruments were correct, though. Well, their instruments werent exactly correct
98 Qnh1013 : Last thursday this plane was standing here at EBOS in the AMG Maintenance Hangar for an engine change... Donno anything more about that but may be it'
99 Backfire : Instruments can fail on their own but it's rarely catastrophic simply because there's so much redundancy. Except that this is exactly what happened at
100 StudentFlyer : That was the Korean Air 747F wasn't it? Well, if there's so much redundancy, but no communication, then it's not redundant at all (or very limited) th
101 Chris78cpr : In regards to the aircraft being late and the pilots taking a shortcut. I heard that aircraft ws departing ahead of schedule which would take away any
102 StudentFlyer : Perhaps crew fatigue that caused them to get slightly disoriented with the taxiway etc.? Any ideas? (Sorry to fuel up any speculation) Thanks, AK
103 Miamiair : This is speculation on my part, but for the empenage to shear away like it is shown on a picture in this thread, leads me to think: Was the aircraft l
104 Jetset : Flight had 7 crew onboard , sounds like 2 crews plus 1 load master. Any bets that the YHZ operating crew deadheaded that day onboard the same aircraft
105 Post contains links LY4XELD : Looks like there was a tail strike on TO. http://novascotia.cbc.ca/regional/servlet/View?filename=ns_mkclues20041015
106 Fallingeese : The latest from Halifax is that the tail section hit the runway two or three times before the end of the runway. The tail was sheered of by a burn at
107 Post contains links LY744 : https://164.214.2.62/products/digitalaero/terminals/v0410/canada/halifax_intl__cyhz/cyhz_arpt_dia.pdf The above is an airport diagram of YHZ. Assuming
108 Jetset : LY744 ..... The acft tookoff rwy24 crashed off the end of rwy24 beginning of rwy06. The press saying the acft crashed on takeoff on rwy06 are incorrec
109 Tod : This was not a regular 742F. The aircraft was converted to freighter by Flight Structures in 1995. The mod was accomplished by Haeco. Very similar to
110 Richierich : Taking off and not having enough runway would be a VERY serious error and somehow I really don't think that is going to be the cause of this tragedy.
111 LY744 : Jetset do you have any more information on the aircraft's actual path around the airport that night? How are 24 T/Os usually performed (as the actual
112 Kaitak : Again, pure speculation, but if a crew found it didn't have enough runway, it might well attempt an underspeed t/o, resulting in the aircraft's tail e
113 Jetset : Weather at the time was perfect .. temp was approx 10C calm winds few clouds . What intersection the acft departed from has yet to be 100 percent conf
114 LY744 : "Isn't this very nearly what happened to the CAL A340 which tried to take off on the wrong runway at ANC a while back? It was VERY lucky! " Those guys
115 BENNETT123 : IMO Either the crew took off short possibly due to fatigue or taking the wrong taxiway or alternatively the cargo shifted on rotation. Either way, the
116 JumboJet : what role if any, will Boeing Co. have in this accident?
117 Planespotterx : Calm winds, heavy aircraft, short runway...to me it seems like the aircrafts tried to gain speed but had sufficient runway to do so, pilots tried to r
118 Spacecadet : Instruments can fail on their own but it's rarely catastrophic simply because there's so much redundancy. Except that this is exactly what happened at
119 Dc863 : Some aspects of this crash remind me of the PA 747 that sheared off most of it's main gear as well as some of the approach lights while trying to take
120 Planekrazy777 : I would agree with dc863 the crew thought they had more runway, or possible wrong flap setting. but others might think of load shifting on rotation/ta
121 Na : Whatever the reason for this sad event, it seems highly likely that its some kind of human failure, again. If they took a wrong taxiway and didn´t us
122 SILVERSTREAK : I couldn't help but notice in Reply #28's insert of the CBC news spot of the profile of the big MIL helicopter. Does anyone know if this a government
123 IntruderPC : This is the official press release from YHZ concerning the crash of 9G-MKJ on 10-14-04. Sketchy details but events as stated about over rotation seem
124 Hmmmm... : I can guarantee that had this aircraft crashed within the United States, it would be front page news, lobster and elections notwithstanding, most like
125 IL76TD : My thoughts go out to the crew and their families, what a terrible tragedy. However, an MK Airlines 742 9G-MKL landed here in SHJ this morning. No off
126 Post contains links FDH : Latest update from CBC: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2004/10/16/halifax_crash041016.html May not be an actual factor in crash, but 2 engine
127 Firefly_cyhz : for who ever asked about normal takeoffs from 24 at halifax, they usually use either Hotel then taxi down 15 ro 24 or use Golf and Foxtrot then taxi d
128 LY744 : Ok thanks Firefly. I'm assuming (judging by the location of the tower) that tower controllers have an unobstructed view of most of runway 06-24? In pa
129 Firefly_cyhz : yes they would have a good view of the intersection of the runways, i don't know how they can see down towards the far end of 24(beginning of 06), the
130 LY744 : Thanks again, I was just wondering if the controllers could see where exactly the 747 entered the runway. LY744.
131 Post contains links LY4XELD : The voice recorder was found, but so damaged it was useless: http://novascotia.cbc.ca/regionalnews/caches/ns_mkblackbox20041019.html
132 JGPH1A : Sad news - both ZS-SAR and ZS-SAS now lost with fatalities. I flew ZS-SAR Waterberg JNB-MRU-TPE in 1991 or 92 - this was post the Helderberg accident,
133 Navyst : Hello all This is my first time at this system of communication. In reference to the MK airlines accident in Halifax, NS, Canada, would someone know a
134 Post contains links LY744 : http://www.canada.com/news/national/story.html?id=e134bdef-ae3a-4e26-a335-f9c690ea56aa -CVR unusable, FDR damaged -The board is also considering the a
135 Post contains links OPNLguy : Here's an updated article, with some good photos... http://www.herald.ns.ca/stories/2004/10/20/f161.raw.html
136 Navyst : Good day to all The latest on the MK airlines B-737-200BSF calls for a miscalculation of the weight that was put aboard in Halifax. The TSB' investiga
137 747Loadmaster : The max load for that acft when it was ZS-SAR was 107 tons, it still depends on the runway length and flightplan for Halifax. When the loadmaser loade
138 Ltbewr : 747Loadmaster, your suggestion is very possible, especially as you can state from experience as to freight aircraft loading. The kg/lbs. mix up isn't
139 747Loadmaster : The weight in Bradley would have been right, if he was given the weight statement in lbs he would have div it by 2.2046 and and then used the kg weigh
140 Post contains links MissedApproach : Newest update from the Canadian TSB site. Unfortunately it's a pretty rudimentary timeline, but it does appear that they're satisfied the crew used mo
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