A340Spotter From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1974 posts, RR: 25 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 46617 times:
More info...this apparently happened on takeoff, not landing. Airport is closed according to our staff in YHZ. MKA1602 would be the flight number, operating CYHZ-LEZG (ZAZ/Zaragoza, Spain). Prayers with the flight crew.
Quoting the story...
HALIFAX - A Boeing 747 cargo plane has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.
The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene.
Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.
The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.
No other details are available
[Edited 2004-10-14 10:50:51]
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Pensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 538 posts, RR: 1 Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 46561 times:
According to http://www.flytecomm.com MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 a cargo 747-200. Took off from BDL at 0003 and arrived YHZ at 0214.
But then it shows MK Airlines Ltd flight 1602 departing YHZ at 0207 and arriving Zaragoza, Spain (and Territories) (LEZG) at 1227.
Cargo plane crashes at Halifax airport
Last Updated Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:40:50 EDT
HALIFAX -A Boeing 747 cargo plane with seven crew members has crashed off the end of a runway at Halifax Airport, RCMP said on Thursday.
The MK Airlines jet, which had been loaded with tractors and seafood, crashed as it was taking off, ending up in a rock quarry.
The airport is closed as fire departments and emergency crews rush to the scene. There is no word on casualties. Taxi drivers taking passengers to the airport had reported being turned back, saying all they had been told was that there was some sort of incident.
The airport is about 35 kilometres from the city's downtown.
No other details are available.
Although I `know' YHZ I can't recall the exact runway orientation (north,south,east,west).
So on the photo above, which position is the runway 24 crash end? i.e. 12 , 3, 6 , or 9 o'clock?
The 3 and 6 o'clock ends would be near the main highway IIRC?
Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2009 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 43615 times:
Over-rotation was mentioned....sounds like a visual reproduction of that fake Air Canada 747 crash photo that pops up from time to time. Yikes. To open with the speculation (which, no doubt, some here will say `No! Wait for the official report 9 months from now!' yeah right): cargo shifting or improper weight n' balance issues?
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25 Slawko: VOODOO It would be the end that is not visable in that picture, 24 runs from left to right (off the picture)
26 Voodoo: Thanks Slawko, Now that I can better visualize it.... its all the more affecting....
27 StudentFlyer: My deepest sympathy to the victims of the crash. May they rest in peace. BTW, any further info? Thanks, AK
28 Bottie: the first pics are coming up: and for real-player-users: http://www.cbc.ca/clips/rm-newsworld/murphy_crash041014.rm[Edited 2004-10-14 15:04:27]
29 Bmacleod: As of 7:00, flights have started to resume on a limited basis. It's like Swissair all over again.....
30 RobK: It crashed off the end of Rwy 06 for those interested. The other overhead image I found won't produce a picture - I think it's something to do with th
31 LXLGU: Aircraft is ex South African ZS-SAR-Waterberg-which was operated as a combi
32 Babaero: Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA. Can any
33 RobK: Believe I flew on this one once in colours of Garuda. Had a strange 3B- registration. Sometime in 93/4. Before converted to frieghter for SAA. Can any
34 Miamix707: oh wow. Sad news, by the looks of the wreckage it doesn't look survivable. Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US
35 BA777: Such a shame, a great airline lose another aircraft. I think from what news reports say it might be misloading of cargo or similar that lead to the in
36 Bottie: has the registration been confirmed yet?
37 AvroArrow: Truly tragic news. I actually just bought the World Air Routes DVD of MK Airlines about a week ago. It makes me shudder to think that there might be a
38 UA777222: Two crashes within 3 years. I wonder if the FAA will let them fly to the US again. I don't think the FAA has anything to do with this seeing how both
39 Arrow: "However thats just the press, we all know what they're like!" Before everyone starts slagging the press -- remember that without it you wouldn't know
40 7of9: Here's a link to the story or you can check it out at www.ghanaweb.com and go to the news section dated 10/14/04. Report shows that all six crew from
41 SA006: Oh my...I have flown ZS-SAR...can't remember it though since I was pretty young yet I do have some pics of 9G-MKJ in JNB...this is sad...I feels weird
42 RobK: Bottie The rego is 9G-MKJ as already mentioned twice in the thread! Cheers, Rob K
43 SA006: http://www.airdisaster.com/news/1004/14/news2.shtml There is a pic of the crash on that page...sorry not the best site but its there. Rgds SA006
44 Bottie: @RobK: http://aviation-safety.net/database/2004/041014-0.htm not confirmed yet
45 RobK: Bottie, it is confirmed regardless of what that or any other source may state. Cheers, RK
46 HAVIK747: An MK Airlines Boeing 747 cargo plane crashed into a rock quarry at the end of a runway immediately after takeoff from Halifax, Canada. The fate of th
47 Boeing757/767: The aircraft did not come from New York. It left from Hartford (BDL).
48 LY4XELD: HAVIK747, It was confirmed by the CBC that all 7 crew members were killed in the crash. The Transportation Safety Board is assembling a team in Ottawa
49 Kaitak: The sister aircraft of this 747 - the other SAA 747-200 Combi - was the one which crashed near Mauritius in (I think) 1987 with the loss of all 150 on
50 Chris78cpr: My condolences to the family of all the crew. It's such a shame to hear of this happening, to my faveourite aircraft too. Chris
51 Samurai 777: A great tragedy. RIP all crew members in the accident and condolences to their loved ones.
52 Haan: Yes Kaitak Its very ironic that both the 2 ex SAA B747-200 Combi's have now been in accidents resulting in fatalities. The first one was indeed ZS-SAS
53 Scandinavian: Halifax International Airports´s website do have some information about this sad disaster. www.hiaa.ca My condolences to the families and friends of
54 Haan: Just realized now that I drove past the exact aircraft yesterday morning on the ramp at Johannesburg Intl at the Cargo section,wanting to take a pictu
55 GARUDAROD: I agree a truly sad day. Deepest condolences to the family and friends of the crew. It makes it double sad for me personally, I was responsible for a
56 Redngold: Latest from Yahoo!/AP: http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041014/wl_nm/canada_crash_dc The tail section fell off as it left the ground? Som
57 N317as: Metal fatigue or one heck of a tail strike. Who knows. it's all speculation at this point. Our prayers are with the crew and their families. R.I.P.
58 DIA: I think it is important to note the "tail" left the a/c, not the "tail section". . . . .all the photos of this portion testify to this currently anyho
59 Thrust: Will there be any 747 groundings because of this accident? Because if there is a problem Boeing engineers must find and treat the source. Somebody men
60 MissedApproach: I agree with DIA, in the CTV broadcast it looks like just the left elevator & a small section of tailcone. Reportedly this is the 4th accident since
61 Qwerty: Bill Fowler, a TSB spokesman, said the downed jet was likely equipped with depleted uranium, a radioactive material often used as ballast in the rudde
62 Francoflier: A visual witness reported that the a/c initiated its take off run from an intersection about 700 from the threshold, from which 2000 meters of the 270
63 Spdbrdconcorde: Rest In Peace...God Bless All those Concerned and Give them strength and hope to move on..
64 AC861: I was at YHZ today, doing a tour of the airport with my school (Atlantic Flight Attendant Academy) and had the chance to talk to the staff...initial i
65 Bruce: If I remember correctly there was a accident similar to this one a few years ago at MIA with an old FineAir DC8 where the load shifted as it was on TO
66 N754PR: Very sad, they are in and out of Macau all the time and you always hear the South African pilots on the radio.......
67 LY744: "A visual witness reported that the a/c initiated its take off run from an intersection about 700 from the threshold, from which 2000 meters of the 27
68 ChrisNH: "Why would the crew of a heftily loaded 747 give up such a significant amount of runway on their T/O roll?" Would an instrument malfunction cause them
69 EMBQA: Would an instrument malfunction cause them to THINK they were at rotate speed when they really weren't? You never know, but that is what caused the Ai
70 Greasespot: Just because there is a long runway does not mean that an aircraft will use it...even when heavy. Aircraft take-offs are not guess whork. They pretty
71 Mikester540: So it was the vertical stabilator that broke off? What kind of tail strike does that? You'd think the whole tail section would crumple and break off..
72 N685FE: One of the links I read above said that they only stoped in Halifax for splash and go. Does anyone know for a fact that they did take on additional c
73 NorthStarDc4M: they loaded seafood at YHZ... report i saw said 2000kgs, mostly lobster
74 AAplatnumflier: WOuld this cause any other airline who ownes a 742 to possibly have the airplane overlooked. By the way may those who have lost or are lost Rest in Pe
75 MD11LuxuryLinr: That's one hell of a tailstrike to bust off the rear stab like that. I would imagine that the whole empennage would come apart... I'm not going to fue
76 LY744: "Just because there is a long runway does not mean that an aircraft will use it..." 8800ft is not all that long, let alone 6600ft (2000m). LY744.
77 N685FE: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2004/10/15/1097784016541.html?oneclick=true "It had stopped to refuel and pick up fish supplies in Halifax." http://www
78 MD11LuxuryLinr: If there was a balance problem, wouldn't the crew have noticed something was awry during the takeoff run.. assuming the load didn't shift during rotat
79 KHKAIR: Now I am getting worried about taking off for a long haul flight next time as the 747 will be heavy with fully loaded pax, cargos and fuel. I notice t
80 PITrules: Exactly how close is this rock quarry to the end of the runway? Of all the things to have at the end of a runway!?!?! Water or even a building would b
81 CO737800: Word on the news tonight they might have taken a shortcut to the runway and not had the full runway to lift off
82 StudentFlyer: What caused them to take a shortcut on the runway (if they really did)? Are they in a hurry at all? Or late? Or is it just a mistake? Sorry if I specu