Relayze From United States, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 4 Posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10599 times:
About time justice is done in Peru. LanPeru will be grounded after following a mandate by a Peruvian judge. This mandate was on hold for the last few weeks, something that has had many people wondering why this airline was being protected by some when the facts showed it broke Peruvian laws by not having a minimum Peruvian ownership of 30%, had Chilean pilots working in Peru with only tourist visas and not work visas, etc etc.
I personally hope LanPeru get grounded as long as Aerocontinente did. This might not hurt its revenues but at least a full country is happy justice was finally done in a country where money and political status bring all the power they can get.
Miamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10504 times:
If looks justice was done, that doesn't justify your reasoning. AeroContinente was grounded due to issues with ties to drugs. That's justice? Now people will have to pay up the wazoo to travel. That my friend is a Phyrric Victory.
FoxBravo From United States, joined Nov 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 6 Reply 3, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10447 times:
Wondering why the airline was being protected?
Perhaps because it was the first company in a long time to bring reliable, quality domestic air transportation to Peru!
Not only was this good for competition, but also for tourism. Tourist dollars are vital to Peru's economy, but tourism depends on a solid aviation infrastructure, which is notably lacking without LanPeru. Sorry, AeroContinente just doesn't cut it. This is indeed a Pyrrhic victory, likely to cost Peru more than it gains in the long run.
Miamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10445 times:
Why is this justice for you? What has LanPeru done to you personally? You are most definitely entitled to your opinion, but I will tell you this, there is no justice when it comes down to foreigners (other than Peruvians) doing work in the aviation field in Peru. Things are very corrupt; and you better pay before you play, becasue if not, nothing is going to get done, and that is no guarantee of anything.
Relayze From United States, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 5, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10428 times:
The point here is LanPeru, no matter what kind of service or prices brings to Peru, it broke Peruvian laws and for that they have to pay. I know they will fly again, but at least the corrupt goverment of Peru did something it was supposed to do a long time ago.
Miamix707 From Cuba, joined Oct 2003, 4619 posts, RR: 46 Reply 6, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 10330 times:
Did Peru moved up to category I with the FAA? Aero Continente's 767s that flew to Miami had at the beginning Chilean registrations, later Peruvian regs.
Does the LP grounding mean there is a possibility another Peruvian airline will start service to the USA or is that pretty much impossible right now with how things are Peru?
senator McCain, thank you for your honorable service
Miamiair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 7, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10277 times:
Break out your piggy bank and fly AA! AA must love this form of justice, the way it's been served!
It's not justice; it is a tragedy. I can celebrate an operation being shut-down for sub-standard practices, but for something like that, only the traveling public pay the price.
Mozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 1499 posts, RR: 16 Reply 8, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 10232 times:
Relayze,
I agree with you that all foreign companies should abide be the laws of the countries they operate in - but somehow I sense an undertone of vengeful joy in the way you talk about the fact that LANPeru has been grounded.
Why is it that many Peruvians have such a negative attitude towards things coming from Chile? When Swiss-owned AirLib started having difficulties in France there was no-one shouting "yupeeh the foreigners are out", and all of Europe doesn't have any problems flying Ryanair, even if some of its staff are "foreign" (eg, British pilots flying from Germany to Spain). Why is everyone happy that LANPeru is grounded? Did they harm Peru? Why then was it a commercially successful operation?
In any case, when I visited Peru I was happy there was an airline like LANPeru which was somewhat more confidence-inspiring than Aero Continente.
All in all, I hope that LANPeru gets its act together and respects the law so it can fly again soon!
Relayze From United States, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 11, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 10004 times:
I never said LanPeru won't fly again...I am happy because the goverment finally accepted a judge's order to shutdown for the moment an airline which was breaking the law. I dont care if its Aerolineas or Taca o KLM..As long as you dont break the law you are allowed to do business there, or anywhere for that matter. Follow the rules and laws in the country where you work and everyone will be happy.
I wonder if everyone reacted this way when AeroContinente was grounded and kicked out of Chile? I wonder why the ex-owners of AeroContinente are still free and not being extradited to the US if there were dealing with drugs there?
I flew Lan to Cuzco about 3 years ago and let me tell you, is not like you guys picture it either, but thats another topic.
Lan has the money to buy politicians in Peru...The goverment is corrupt...what else is new in Latin America?
LanPeru From Peru, joined Jun 2001, 578 posts, RR: 11 Reply 12, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9998 times:
Ironic isn't it? My username...Well I can say that I am happy and I am not. I happy because LAN "Peru" will have to become more Peruvian in order to fly in Peru again...I have flown LAN Peru....LIM-CUZ and the PILOTS were Chilean however the FAs were Peruvian. What people don't get is that LAN did not come to Peru and give a bunch of jobs to the Peruvian pilots that were just sitting there while another airline came to give them jobs...I was able to go into the cockpit and everything while on the ground at CUZ after arriving and the flight crew was Chilean! - excellent nonetheless!
If LAN wanted to play it right they should have done something "a la VARIG" that they do with PLUNA. Although PLUNA has Brazilian investment (VARIG) they still have their own corporate identity that is different from that of VARIG's. It's funny how everyone seems to pick at the Peruvians for having "una pisca" of nationalism! What would the Chileans/Argys/Colombians/Ecuadorians etc. do if there was something like...."AeroEspaña-Chile/Argentina/Colombia" as thier NATIONAL carrier? Controlling ALL the intercontinental routes? NO LATIN AMERICAN in this forum can tell me that they would be happy with that...it is a LIE! I have been to Chile and there are places that have signs like "100% Chileno"...no one beleives me? Take the "Micro" that goes from "Alameda" to "Macul" and you will see a few...so please! Stop making it look like PERU is the ONLY nationalist country in LatinAmerica...rather than wanting to COMPLETELY control a Peruvian airline...LAN should invest to IMPROVE one that is already there...a "new" AeroPeru would have been a good choice...but hey...they are the ones with the money...so I don't think that will happen. Look at CINTRA...Mexicana and AeroMexico TWO different airlines owned by the same group...oh well....
SR117 From Mexico, joined Jun 2000, 418 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9900 times:
While I understand the need for a carrier like LanPeru to exist, that doesn't change the fact that it must abide by the laws of the country it's established in, these aren't small potatoes, these are big violations, having foreign pilots working on tourist visas?? come on. Lots of countries have ownership laws.. correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that one of the reasons why Branson hasn't set up VirginUSA? and what if Branson wanted to set up VirginUSA and operate with British pilots???
However, it is also interesting to see how they were able to establish themselves and obtain operating permits while not meeting the required foreign ownership laws in Peru, and how they justified operating within Peru with foreign pilots, maybe there's a good explanation for it. Lan is a big company and they should know what they can and what they can't do. So there's definitley something fishy in the fact that they were able to operate for so long with those apparent violations. Anyone know how it happened?
I just think it's unfair to blame this all on peruvian nationalism, LanPeru was getting fresh with the aviation laws of Peru, they should be made to comply !
PA110 From United States, joined Dec 2003, 1894 posts, RR: 42 Reply 14, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9846 times:
Relayze,
No offense, but you're an idiot! Peru has suffered without reliable service for too long. The lack of Peruvian management is probably a plus for Lan Peru. If Peruvian managers are so great, why has every other peruvian airline failed? What is more important? A peruvian run mess, or a foreign run professional airline? If you chose the former, you deserve what you get!
LVZXV From Bolivia, joined Mar 2004, 1959 posts, RR: 50 Reply 15, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9818 times:
I agree that Lan Peru should comply with Peruvian law, but I think the truth behind this is not so much LP's law-breaking as a group of disgruntled and power-hungry individuals flexing their muscles against a private and foreign enterprise (now there's a first), as so many of Latin America's powerful do for a living.
Relayze:
...I am happy because the goverment finally accepted a judge's order to shutdown for the moment an airline which was breaking the law.
A government with a 5% approval rating, you mean? I'm not taking sides here, because everyone is making valid points/criticisms about LAN Peru, some more qualified than others, but still valid. However, the forum is clearly divided over the issue, with a majority siding with LAN, despite its faults. And I think that is significant, because the curcumstances LP have found themselves in are less than ideal, and when they entered Peru, I doubt they could anticipate that a few years down the line they would become Peru's safest and most reliable carrier, practically the "Numero Uno", offering a product no Peruvian airline could dream of rivalling.
And now they are in that position, what do you expect them to do? Pull out? Peru's aviation sector has suffered enough casualties these last ten years without the need to endure another. N6 has returned its 757, and are not flying their 767s (one is up for sale). Do you expect Peru to go on with just Nuevo Continente, TACA and TANS? The answer is, like it or not, they cannot. Peruvian entrepreneurs are free to found a Peruvian airline that will fill the void left by Aero Peru and Faucett (how will Star Up turn out?), but until that day comes, there is no need to issue a court ruling that grounds LAN Peru. The verdict smacks of vested interest, resentment, corruption and petty xenophobia, not atrributes that reflect the Peruvian people as a whole. Peru's flying public only stand to lose from LAN Peru's grounding. It's no good making empty promises that Nuevo Continente will "improve" or a new flag carrier will be born. Actions first, words later. Peruvians have as much right to fly as any other Latin Americans, and the criminal injustice is in having that right denied to them by their own legal system.
LanPeru:
That's a brilliant point you made about VARIG/PLUNA, although Uruguayans, for their part, are renowned for their neutrality, not their nationalism.
SR117:
Couldn't agree more about your point on not singling-out Peruvian nationalism. Every Latin country feels un cierto orgullo (esp. Chile )...
Dellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 925 posts, RR: 2 Reply 16, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9765 times:
Never thought that this LAN take over would last long! LAn should keep their feet in CHILE and don't mess with the others! WHERE IS LAN DOMINICANA NOW???? AND LAN ECUADOR?????? PLEASE!!!!! They simply dont work out! This LAN strategy will probably cost many $$ in the HQ in Santiago!
AR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 2284 posts, RR: 17 Reply 17, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9743 times:
I agree with LVZXV. This move smells of populism and xenophobia. When will governments understand that the years of populist protectionism are over? Peruvians need more choice, otherwise they'll be paying unfairly high fares. Plus, it is still an ALLEGATION what LanChile is acussed of doing. Let's wait for the verdict.
I don't understand why a government would protect an airline acussed of money laundering from good, fair competition. It makes no sense to me. Peruvians deserve better. What are all the Peruvian employees going to do now? And LanPeru does have a lot of Peruvian employees.
LanPeru should be flying again as soon as possible and it also deserves an apology.
FLY2LIM From United States, joined May 2004, 1157 posts, RR: 13 Reply 18, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9725 times:
Here's my opinion and YES, I am Peruvian.
Relayze's attitude is typical of Peruvians. Yes, there is a "victory", but at what cost? Now there is worse service in Peru and thousands of people will be affected. Is this a victory? It's like the national soccer team that celebrates when they tie an opponent at home, calling it a "moral victory". There is a reason why our country is the way it is and why many of us can't stand to live there, Relayze included.
No, nobody should break laws in any country. Unfortunately, this is a case of the "pot calling the kettle black", in my opinion. Keep in mind, this "lawsuit" (filed outside of Lima, by the way) was brought forth by Aviandina, which doesn't really operate anymore. This is justice? Give me a break.
This has EVERYTHING to do with the fact that the defendant in the lawsuit was from Chile.
I hope LP is back, and soon!
FLY2LIM
Miamix707 From Cuba, joined Oct 2003, 4619 posts, RR: 46 Reply 19, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 9673 times:
I also agree with Lan Peru's post.
LAN are just lazy, they could at least paint over that star on the LP planes, ideally they should have invested in another AeroPeru, or at least get a new identity for their Peruvian division.
What Peru should do is create an airline that is competitive and well managed. They have a thing or 2 they can learn from LAN.
But at end of the day:
Lan has the money to buy politicians in Peru...The goverment is corrupt...what else is new in Latin America?
True. That's the general rule in Latin America and why good ideass never get off the ground.
senator McCain, thank you for your honorable service
Relayze From United States, joined Feb 2004, 115 posts, RR: 4 Reply 20, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9622 times:
Bravo gentlemen (and I think there is a lady there). Very good points I must say.. I like this forum more than before.
Yes, I'm Peruvian. I left my country when I was only 12 and as a minor I couldnt decide where to live for myself. I'm only Peruvian by a birth certificate. I dont really care about much about what happens there. Im an American citizen now, I care about what happens here.
But seeing how a Peruvian airline was kicked out of Chile for becoming competitive (of course they couldnt afford to have a Peruvian company rise in their market) makes me think who the nationalists are and how unfair the Chilean goverment was.
So, if it wasnt for Aviandina (yeah, is not flying anymore and thats what makes me chuckle), would LanPeru still be flying breaking the law of that 5%- approval-rating-goverment of Peru? How did they get their license to fly when they didnt meet their 51% Peruvian ownership as the law required them to have? How about then when AeroContinente, the worst airline in Peru as you may think, got grounded, no one thought about their poor employees left with no jobs to feed their poor families? It just too sad to depend on others on your own country. No wonder Peru is the way it is...They will never learn.
Andahuailas From United States, joined Jan 2004, 134 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9579 times:
Its very sad to read some of the comments on this thread.
1.You can not justify the action taken by the judge as a well deserved revenge. Revenge its not part of any legal system.
2. The Peruvian central government, the the Tourism asociations, travel agencies, hotels, etc have made public they are against the measure.
3. Are you guys blind ? it is obvious that the judge is acting on behalf of the interests of Aerocontinente, not in the interest of Justice or public service.
4. LAN Peru is the only airline in Peru that has invested in new airplane to be used exclusively on domestic routes. All other airlines fly ancient planes. TACA peru doesn't even care about the domestic market other than 3 a wekk flights to CUZ.
5. So who is next in the judges agenda, TACA Peru ?
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 24605 posts, RR: 72 Reply 22, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9569 times:
LanPeru is not being grounded. The government of Peru has declared a 90 day state of emergency in its air sector. Thanks to this declaration, LanPeru can, and will, still fly.
LanPeru provides a valuable service to the Peruvian community: reliable air service throughout Peru and to international destinations throughout South America and the US. Aero Continente has never been able to do this.
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 23, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9554 times:
Poor LatinAmerica if all judges are like that Peruvian judge!!!
I agree with PA110 (reply 14) Relayze... you are a bit "tonto" aren't you? Sorry for my words but in this moments I'm very very angry By the way... if you're peruvian... why do put the US flag on your name? Which one is, BY FAR, the best airline in South America? It's LAN.Period! There're countries like Peru, Ecuador, Rep.Dominicana, Bolivia... that never, never, never they will have a real and good national airline, because they can't, they need foreing help (and not only money help, but also technical help)
Sometimes, some countries in South America deserve his own underdevelop.
Peru need more to LAN, than LAN to Peru.The only one DECENT airline can be "killed" by a silly peruvian judge!!!!
FLY2LIM... I'm with you.
LAN is a wonderful and the best example for ALL Latin America civil aviation.LAN is profitable, with a wonderful service in-flight, even in the TOP-10 world's quality airlines, "condeándose" with airlines like SQ or CX.... Dellatore, you're the same type of "master" than Relayze... with people like you Latin America NEVER, never, never will be 1º World, and will be underdeveloped for years.
Peru's economics will notice if Lan no longer fly over the peruvian skies... (y esto os lo dice un español que de verdad quiere a Iberoamérica y os guste o no, peruanos, Chile es el ejemplo a seguir en la región.Vuestro estúpido orgullo os va a devorar... y si no,al tiempo)
Hardiwv From Netherlands, joined Oct 2004, 6991 posts, RR: 55 Reply 25, posted (4 years 8 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 9511 times:
Anxebla:
Just wiill make one slight correction to your ponits: the BEST Latin American airline (in my opinion) is not LAN, but TAM. Ok, maybe I would agree if you put them on equal foot
Take care,
Hardi
KL791 AMS-GRU
26 Anxebla: Thanks, Andahuailas... sorry, I prefer do NOT to say anymore at the moment, I'm very angry! this is the most unbelievable thread than I've read in a.n
27 MAH4546: Never thought that this LAN take over would last long! LAn should keep their feet in CHILE and don't mess with the others! WHERE IS LAN DOMINICANA NOW
28 Anxebla: Hardiwv, TAM is very small to comparate with LAN.... no way! TAM is nearly regional. Relayze, Dellatore, sometimes it is better not to say anything.
29 TBCITDG: As I have stated on another thread regarding the same issue, the real loosers in this mess are the Peruvian flying public and of course the employees
30 Hardiwv: Anxeable: You haven't read the other comments (under the threat "VP bankrupcy") about "elligal Asian immigrants" coming to Argentina with the MH fligh
31 Relayze: INFORMATIVO LEGAL MINISTERIO DE TRANSPORTES Y COMUNICACIONES Suspenden permisos de operación de aviación comercial regular de Lan Perú La Direcció
32 LVZXV: Relayze: I'm not sure what tree you are barking up, but I can assure you it's the wrong one. Firstly, you neatly condradict yourself about not caring
33 Anxebla: Relayze,after to read your answer now I'm not angry, I'm sad And Pinochet is not the responsible of the Chilean success, but the Chile's people.
34 Dellatorre: The question is How long will Lan Ecuador keep flying????? Personally I ont think LAn is much of OK airline. Nothing spectacular!! The major problem w
35 Hardiwv: TBCITDG: Good point! I agree with you. Anxebla: TAM is small??? Are you kidding??? TAM is the BIGGEST airline of Brazil (the biggest country in Latin
36 Hardiwv: Dellatorre: I agree with you. And this shows that LAN is also a "small" airline, as "small" as TAM. However, TAM has the capacity to grow much more in
37 LVZXV: Anxebla: And Pinochet is not the responsible of the Chilean success, but the Chile's people. Not entirely, it's true, but he was partly. A lot of Chil
38 Anxebla: Hardiwv... TAM is tiny from an internatinal point of view.... but, please, don't divert the main topic on this thread!!!! If you wish it, you can open
39 EddieDude: Sorry if this is off-topic. Dellatorre, please tell more about this service to LAX via MEX. I have not heard of it!!!
40 Relayze: LVZXV, saludos... My appologies if it sounded contradictory saying I don't care about Peru yet I'm here kinda wasting everyones time making you read m
41 Anxebla: Eduardo, please!!! don't divert this thread... or, open another one, or tell him than e-mail you. Hardiwv... you have no idea about Latin America Civi
42 Hardiwv: Anxebla: Of course, any airline is tiny if not landing in MAD, right?? Again, LAN and TAM are airlines of the same size. TAM will grow further, but LA
43 Anxebla: LanEspaña??? hahaha, it sounds very well!!! Spain is a free market, and we are not scared to new airlines.Competition is always, welcome!!! Again to
44 Hardiwv: Spain is so open to competition that IBERIA is furious with Ryanair in its market, and tried to sue the airline through the European Commission... (th
45 Lan_Fanatic: Relayze said : But seeing how a Peruvian airline was kicked out of Chile for becoming competitive ... Yeah right, as Chile is so closed to private com
46 Anxebla: Again, you make mistake yourself.Ryanair receive illegal subsidies from regionals gov. in Spain. By the way... I know that thread, if you wish it we c
47 Hardiwv: Lan_Fanatic: You're wrong about TAM. You have to add all destinations covered by TAM Mercosur. TAM's size is, indeed, comparable to LAN!
48 Hardiwv: Anxebla: So what is NOT fair in Spain, in you eyes IS fair in Peru?? Very interesting....
50 MAH4546: INFORMATIVO LEGAL MINISTERIO DE TRANSPORTES Y COMUNICACIONES Suspenden permisos de operación de aviación comercial regular de Lan Perú La Direcció
51 Anxebla: .... fortunatelly for the Peruvian society Thanks for the info, MAH4546
52 Arcano: Chau chau Lan Chau chau foreign investment, airline quality and reliable service to Peru! I see justice four you is some very weird sence of fairnes f
53 MaverickM11: If the Peruvians ground Lan Peru they will shoot themselves in the foot. However, that would be par for the course for Peruvians (or insert Latin Amer
54 Bigblack: I find it sad that people feel corruption and illegal activity is okay if it's good for tourism. Is it okay because ALL Latin American countries are c
55 EddieDude: I don't think anyone here has said that corruption is okay if it is good for tourism. Actually that is just plain stupid since tourism is especially h
56 OB1504: Relayze, it's people like you that make me ashamed of my Peruvian heritage. A corrupt judge (nothing new in Latin America) has shut down the best thin
57 Bigblack: I didn't say that Eddie, read some of the replies to this thread. I know I tend to scroll through but read all the replies. Someone else said somethin
58 Adriaticus: Question: Was there so much animosity against foreign ownership of a Peruvian airline back in the times when AeroPeru was under the control of Gerardo
59 AR385: It really bothers me when people just assume that Latin America is corrupt. I'm not being naive, but it is an insult to say that a whole country is co
60 Relayze: OB1504, you can change your LP ticket for an Ormeño ticket LOL, have a nice trip dude!! Adriaticus is totally right. If a judge, for whatever reason
61 TACAA320: "You can also buy a cop for 10 USD in Mexico; is the same all over the central and southern part of the continent, so sad." Sorry. But who usually pay
62 Miamix707: It's hilarious to see how easily everyone gets so mad. The only one who should be is OB1545 since he had reservations made on LP. Question: Was there
63 Anxebla: Miamix707------------- you're SO wrong about the Spain issue, that I invit you to open a new thread on the Non-aviation forum. Spanish people changed
64 Relayze: Amen Miamix707. I also think is hilarious to see how easy people get mad. So far you have made more sense than any of the other posts here. [Edited 20
65 Lan_Fanatic: WHY does LAN need to change the silver star in its tail? Why americans still fly Continental and United despite the fact they don't have an eagle or b
66 AR385: Relayze, Please don't patronize me. You are not the only one living in the US. I lived in Virginia and Texas for five years and I don't know which new
67 Relayze: Hey good news for some of you guys...your "best" and loved and "fair" shiny airline will fly again as of 2pm CST. A big win for Lan, a loss for many,
68 AR385: Relayze, You are making some very serious accusations without any grounds not to mention how insulting is your post. I hope you are kidding, but if yo
69 Mexicana757: Anyways, it seems everyone has gone off topic. But news to everyones ears, LanPeru will restart flights once again, here is the article. http://yahoo.
70 LanPeru: Lan_Fanatic.... Your citing of the other airline's logos are completely irrelevant. For example "ANA-All NIPPON Airways" NIPPON is Japan in Japanese.
71 EMB195ER: Come on guys .... I was reading this threat from the beginning and trying to place myself in a Peruvian position. However, something completely divert
72 Hardiwv: EMB195ER: I agree 100% with you! And to be very honest, TAM is bigger than LAN; just take into account any other measurement, such as number of planes
73 OB1504: Hey good news for some of you guys...your "best" and loved and "fair" shiny airline will fly again as of 2pm CST. A big win for Lan, a loss for many,
74 Derico: I can't wait for the day LAN (and why not), GOL enter the Argentine market. AR won't go under because of LAN, if it did it would be for some other stu
75 FLY2LIM: A few points: First, Relayze has, by his own admission, confessed that he is a Peruvian by birth. As usual, those people tend to have an opinion about
76 OB1504: I can't wait for the day LAN (and why not), GOL enter the Argentine market. AR won't go under because of LAN, if it did it would be for some other stu
77 Relayze: A few points: First, Relayze has, by his own admission, confessed that he is a Peruvian by birth. As usual, those people tend to have an opinion about
78 TACAA320: "LAN PERU informa, que a partir de las 14:00 horas (hora local de Perú), reanuda sus operaciones nacionales e internacionales conforme a los permisos
79 TACAA320: Here is the link where I got the info... http://www7.lan.com/compania/lanchile/noticias/2004_10_14.html
80 WiLdmanVzla: Let see what's next... but I really hope LP will keep operating as always in Peru... ... By the way, the real important thing on airline' business are
81 Arcano: Hardiwv:The fact that LAN has much more headlines than JJ does say something, I agree, it just reveal how LA is a benchmark, and JJ is not (yet). Why
82 AR385: Since all of Latinamerica is mostly the same (language, religion, mores and customs) I'm happy that finally an entrepreneur like the managemen at LAN
83 Relayze: Arcano: What I tried to say was a general statement and as I can see you dont understand is that in Peru and everywhere in Latin America anyone, not C
84 Lan_Fanatic: It's not a "special" mandate Relayze, it's a "decreto de emergencia" (I don't know how to translate it) issued by the peruvian government. At least in
85 Relayze: I wonder how much that "decreto de emergencia" was for Lan...a couple thousands bucks maybe? Lets check the bank accounts of all those involved in thi
86 AR385: Lan_Fanatic, I believe that in Mexico we have something similar to "Decretos de emergencia". But I'm not sure they can go against the judiciary as it
87 TBCITDG: AR385: I know Arcano will kill me for this, but can you seriously expect me to beleive that LA comes even close to CX and SQ?? Especially in thier pre
88 TACAA320: "AR385: I know Arcano will kill me for this, but can you seriously expect me to beleive that LA comes even close to CX and SQ?? Especially in thier pr
89 Pdpsol: Guys, I've just finished reading everyone's posts; you may be interested in my original thread from last week announcing the Arequipa court's decision
90 AR385: Bozo is a real gentle way to describe Relayze.
91 TBCITDG: Come on guys! Irespective of any ones opinion, let's keep the thread clean! If people make un sound statements, we may question their intentions or op
92 Miamix707: WHY does LAN need to change the silver star in its tail? Why americans still fly Continental and United despite the fact they don't have an eagle or b
93 TACAA320: TBCITDG Thanks for respect my choice!
94 CessnaLady: AM385 wrote: Lan is a great airline. I fly them many times a year, in business, coach and first and they are up there with CX, SQ, BA etc. First class
95 OB1504: OB1504 I can see you are just a kid, unlike other kids in this forum that are smarter than you. I post here not to be liked, I care less if people lik
96 Arcano: TBCITDG: Why would I kill anyone for not liking LAN? It's ridiculous, LAN is not the best airline on earth, and even the best airlines on earth have "
97 LanPeru: Arcano said: Reliaze:Envy because the super airline you work for is not yours nor represents your country, because you don't have a country airline th
98 Anxebla: LanPeru... I'm not a Chilean.But... do you Know your "ideas" are "fatal" for Latin America? All about Chile's Star is an whole nonsense.Yesterday, for
99 AR385: Anxebla, Your arguments are fallacious. The EU allows any citizen from any EU country to work in any other country he or she chooses within the EU. Th
100 Derico: Quote by Lan_Peru #97: ..."Man...there we go! Arcano...EVERYBODY has nationalism, especially Latin Americans"... Hi Lan_Peru, I don't agree with this
101 Anxebla: AR385... te pasas tanto de listo, que eres lo opuesto. FACTS: LanPeru is good for the Peruvian economy and also for the Peruvian society due: A) It's
102 Lan_Fanatic: If LAN was taken over by some American company and simply named "South American Airlines" there would probably be Chileans-even YOU-that get "butt-hur
103 Arcano: Lan Peru: It's not that I don't understand your point, it's a matter of expectations: You expect for Lan Peru to represent Peru, for instance by addin
104 Miamix707: how can you tell Lan_Fanatic that his posts are "perfecto" when infact they make no sense. lol Funny, I was wondering the same thing. But any minute c
105 Relayze: Muahahahhaha Arcanos threads are so funny...ready above on # 103..."And don't confuse arrogance with cold facts, I have proud, yes, so are you. But ag
106 Anxebla: Relayze, again I don't agree with you.In funny matters, Miamix707 is the big champion Let's go to analyse step them step by step: 1.- "LAN IS NOT PUTT
107 LanPeru: Anxebla: Umm...again you have no idea what Miami had to say...regarding "MONEY ON THE TABLE" not FREE planes! HE WAS REFERRING TO A RISK! DUH! so to q
108 Anxebla: LanPeru.... it's the same... call it like you wish, but to give a good service is "consequence" of LAN merit.Other things are excuses and nonsense.Per
109 LVZXV: This is one of the funniest discussions I have read in a long time, with as much punch as a Pisco Sour (oh look, something Peru and Chile have in comm
110 Lan_Fanatic: LVZXV...if the star is replaced by a Pisco sour...then it would still be shouting CHILE...LOL. LanPeru...about the Farmacias Ahumada and Santa Isabel.
111 Arcano: You know what? After trying to post facts and receiving arguments worth of Laura en America, I will speak in the language of some of the members of th
112 Lan_Fanatic: As I told them, Arcano...this is getting quite annoying... so if you want peruvian symbols...ASK TACA! 'Cause LAN will keep its star.
113 Relayze: No se jalen los moños Lan Fanatic ni Arcano please...Arcano please do us a favor and post your facts because for some, they are only arrogant exagger
114 Lan_Fanatic: Now I'm astonished. Relayze...lame are you. I can tell you cannot understand examples and figures of speech.
115 LVZXV: Arcano: You know I agree with a good deal of your points, and I respect your convictions. But please, no seas fanatico. Some of your points, especiall
116 AR385: Miamix707, Thanks for the compliment for my post. Anxebla, It is pointless to discuss anything with you. Just to remind you, it was you who brought up
118 Arcano: ZXV: Yes, I accept some violation could be done. Read many of my post above (and the other similar thread), and you'll see : "if the did, they dererve
119 Relayze: Hey AR385 no hard feelings to you nor anyone...get well soon! As of my job, all I have to say is I love it. I aint no ticket agent or flight attendant
120 Sequ: Incredible, I'm off for a trip for a few days, come back and everything is truly "Lauraish"...... Makes for entertaining reading! My only relationship
121 AR385: Thank you for your wishes TACAA320 and Relayze. I had complete shoulder reconstruction surgery, due to an accident in a car on my way to the airport.
122 WiLdmanVzla: AR385... get well as soon as possible!!!!!!
123 Arcano: I know this is old, but there are some news. After the end of Nuevo Continente, LAN got about the 70% of the Peruvian market. But even more! The judge
124 TACAA320: Really great news Arcano. Congratulations LAN.
125 Anxebla: VERY GOOD NEWS, indeed!!!!! Yes, congratulations... to LAN and also to the Peruvian society!!!
126 Aero: At the very end...People of Perú must be proud of having two excellent carriers (LAN, TACA) operating within Perú. I´ve talked very often with peru
127 A300 American: Kudos to LAN and it´s personel. Great responses from FLY2LIM and Arcano. I´m Peruvian (by blood only.........family, American born and raised) Shame
128 FLY2LIM: Saludos A300: Well put. I am a Peruvian living overseas and very aware of the realities of Peru. However, if you allowed me to move my current job (an
129 Arcano: Thanks for the words! I heard today at the news that a new law in Peru today makes impossible for any judge to suspend operations for public service a
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By the way... if you're peruvian... why do put the US flag on your name? Which one is, BY FAR, the best airline in South America? It's LAN.Period! There're countries like Peru, Ecuador, Rep.Dominicana, Bolivia... that never, never, never they will have a real and good national airline, because they can't, they need foreing help (and not only money help, but also technical help)
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