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TAP Flights To Brazil Increased To 38 Per Week!  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 8187 times:

TAP Airlines (from Portugal) increased frequencies to Brazil to 38 flights per week, TAP now has daily and direct flights from LIS to GRU, GIG, REC, SSA, FOR and 3 x week flights to NAT.

This makes TAP "THE" main European airliner between Europe and Brazil. TAP weathered the 09/11 aviation industry downturn, and since last year is closing its books on the blue.

Special credits should go to TAP's CEO Fernado Pinto (former RG CEO). As of March/05 TAP will officially join Star Alliance and will codeshare flights with RG. Well done TAP!

Hardi

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User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7976 times:

Hardi, u´r a bad man, u haven´t left anything for me to say, ehehe.
All i can say is: anybody that can, should visit Brazilian NorthEast, it´s nice, warm and real cheap with the money convertion.

 Big thumbs up



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2190 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7942 times:

Great news! I really like TAP.

Is there anywhere I can find a route map or have a downloadable schedule?

Cheers


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7941 times:

Erikwilliam:

That's why whenever possible I try to land there! I spent my last holidays in and around Recife (Porto de Galinhas, etc)...REALLY nice! And the chicas there are even better than in FLN  Smile

For your info, charter airline Martinair operates 2 x week on the route AMS-FOR with the 767; and charter HollandExcell operates 1 x week AMS-SSA-BPS also with the 767. Brazil is really "on fashion" here in Europe.

Lucky you!

Hardi


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7901 times:

Mozart:

Agree with you. TAP is a good, simple, reliable airline! Always had positive experience with them.

I guess you could find TAP's timetable and route map on their wesbite. Below is TAP's portal for France:

http://www.tap-airportugal.fr/eportalFr/v10/FR/jsp/index.jsp

Take care,

Hardi


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7818 times:

Glad U like here man, couple of bad things but is a nice country.
Just remembered something:
My dad lives in Maceio MCZ, he moved up there about 7 years agor, about 6 months ago I was there and meet 3 TAP managers, and as mcz is also doing some work on the runway so it can have larger planes.
So maybe we´ll se Tap going to MCZ on a weekly basis, and in my opnion Maceio and the State of Alagoas have some of the most beautiful braches in the country.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 7809 times:

sorry, my bad

braches=beaches, in Erik´s fast tiping mode  Big thumbs up



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineLima From Argentina, joined May 1999, 1122 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7768 times:

Any possibility to add an additional city in Brazil in the future like Porto Alegre, Manaus, Brasilia or Belo Horizonte?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 7738 times:

Lima:

As Erik stated above, possibly Maceio (MCZ) also in NE Brazil, as they are improving the aiport there (Erik, any news on the airport? I've heard is it will be really nice...).

TAP will stick to NE destinations in Brazil as they are closer to LIS and very popular with tourists...loads of Europeans are now buying their houses/properties in NE Brazil, thanks to TAP!

Photo 1: TAP 340-312 in GIG and; Photo 2: TAP 310-304 in REC


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LIS to REC, for example, is only about 7h30min flying time!





User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7654 times:

Lima: I wouldn´t place my money on these other cities, the NE is very Touristic as it´s hot almost yearround, not too much rain etc etc.
Maybe Manaus could be an option, and that would be a very good option since the Amazon forest can call for a numorous number of people.The problem os that hotels in the forest area are quite expansive, and Manaus as a city is just a city. Porto Alegre and Belo Horizonte are just regular cities, and Brasilia is the capital, not much to there besides business.

Hardi: I had a link but can´t find it, but I promisse I´ll look for it, from the photos I´ve seen, and the plan that they have inside the airport, with drawnings, scale pieces etc, the place is gonna be fantastic, just gotta wait and see it coming true. One thing for certain is that Infraero (federal airport agency) is doing reforms and upgrades in almost every major airport here, as CGH, SDU, BSB, REC, POA. GRU and GIG are on the list too.

Yeah, pretty much it for now.Anything I can help about Brazil just ask guys.



Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 7635 times:

Erikwilliam:

Thanks! If you find the link about MCZ construction I really would like to check it out! Indeed, Indeed, airports in Brazil are just a big reconstuction ground, becoming very modern and efficient. Clear examples are BSB, REC, BEL and POA! They are not airports, but a piece of art  Smile

(friend told me that FLN will also be very nice, and that there was even a competition to choose the "best design" for the airport)

Last month my boss had to fly AMS-GRU-BEL and he got amazed about BEL airport...he said BEL is fantastic.

Of course, always there are exceptions...and GRU is just an old dinosaur!
What a shame! Do you know why??

Hardi


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 7561 times:

Man I have no idea why or how, but, sometimes, as a Brazilian, I feel that our governants don´t think ahead of time and just do the necessary or not even that, that´s why GRU it´s a big crap.Let´s see how the new terminal goes, if it goes.
About the airports, this new "global tourism fever" has hit us, so U wouldn´t belive how many conventions, and expositions, and fairs we have on Tour Brasil, that´s why the Federal Government is putting so much money on airports.




Dida, Cafu, Lucio, Roque Junior, Roberto Carlo, Emerson, Ze Roberto, Ronaldinho, Kaka, Adriano, Robinho, Ronaldo
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7442 times:

I also think that the BIG mistake of INFRAERO was to overlook GRU...
I read somewhere that GIG could drag the traffic out of GRU, something didn't happen...

Hardi


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7414 times:

Do anyone knows how they will fly direct and daily flighjts to GRU and GIG with A343, considering they have only 04 of these type and they also have to fly them to Africa?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7399 times:

JJMNGR:

TAP dedicates two A343 100% for the Brazilian market (GRU and GIG). The others they rotate for African routes (I think Mozambique, Angola and South Africa).... but they also fly to the US (JFK)...so probaly they use one for Africa (Angola) and one for the US.

Hardi


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 7386 times:

Ok my friend...understand they will have daylight flights as it is easy to manage the aircraft rotation.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7271 times:

JJMNGR:

Indeed, all of TAP flights to Brazil operate on the route Portugal-Brazil during the day, and return during the night, so that they maximise the use of the aircraft.

Hardi


User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

Hi  Smile)

This is really great news fot TP, the brazillian routes are the n. 1 reason for TP last years profit. Mr. Fernando Pinto announced yesterday that, even with the fuel price increase (which means a further 35 million euro bill for them so far) TP should be able to present a profit again by the end of the year.

With this in mind, and the already announced codeshares with RG and UA, this means that TP will be very well placed in the market when they join Star next year.

Let's hope now for the introdution of one or two A333 in early 2005, since 1 TP A313 will go (according to unconfirmed news) to YES in the first semester of 2005  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards
Luis


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7155 times:


Hi!

TAP is indeed in the "top of the wave" with the Brazil market. I flew with them last June from LIS to GIG and back ( 343 CS-TOC to GIG and CS-TOD to LIS ) and I can only say the both flights were excelent, the crew was also great and kind to all your requests. We flew during the day from LIS ( originally this flight came from OPO ) leaving at 10:15 and arriving at GIG 10 hours a a few minutes latter. We got all the service that normally a good airline gives, alchoolic beverages, lunch with 2 choises, desert, a snack just before we landed, good movies on board but no PTV's, but it was actually not that bad. The return flight normally leaves late afternoon from GIG and we get to LIS early in the morning.
Besides that TAP is still going strong in USA ( EWR ), Africa and of course Europe and the Islands, so what else do we need? Well maybe to replace the 313's with the 332's. According with a TAP crew member TAP will get a new long-haul Airbus, a 330 or a 340 but there's still no news about that.
regards and fly TAP, you'll have a pleasant surprise!!!


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Let's hope now for the introdution of one or two A333 in early 2005, since 1 TP A313 will go (according to unconfirmed news) to YES in the first semester of 2005

I think they would rather opt for the A332, as the A333 might have difficuties making it on some of their longest routes like GRU, GIG, JNB or MPM.



User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7136 times:

yes, I mean the A332  Smile
Sorry for the typo!


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 7117 times:

Very good niche for TAP....as most international airlines are focused exclusively on Sao Paolo and sometimes Rio, Brazil's other cities do not have much long haul service to Europe (or the US/Canada either). VARIG also routes most of its overseas traffic via Sao Paolo.....thus, TAP has found a good market with its services to places like SSA and REC. The A310s, while out-of-style, make a lot of sense for these routes, it will be interesting to see what replaces them in the future - is the A332 too much aircraft with too much capacity for these route - I really dont know. I have no idea what the yeilds or fares are like between Europe and the Brazilian cities, but I am certain that TAP benefits from offering daily service in most markets and the extra seats offered by the A332 could bring fares and yeilds down.

In any case, its always good to see a carrier "think outside of the box" and become successful in a niche market.


User currently offlineErikwilliam From Brazil, joined Mar 2004, 2152 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7085 times:

See, our colonizers are not so dumb after all, as we joke a lote about this here, no offenses of course  Big thumbs up

Just a litle off topic: JJMNGR, how´s Tam doing in SouthAmerican Loads, particulary to EZE.

I was looking at DAC web site http://www.dac.gov.br and I was very surprised to know that EZE-GRU is the busiest international route to Brazil. Given that, when G9 opens their route, do U think JJ and others will have big problems or...?

have a nice day U guys.

[Edited 2004-10-15 14:13:44]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7078 times:

Deviating quite a bit from the thread but will TAP ever consider starting flights to the Middle East (e.g DXB, CAI, BEY, TLV, etc)? There seems to be a lack of services between Portugal and that region (despite a few charters).

Horus




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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 7051 times:

Dutchjet:

You made a good point! Inded, TAP has benefited from finding its "niche market" in NE Brazil. It offers advantage to those passenger on holidays that are looking for sunshine Brazil, and also to the business passenger that has as destination NE Brazil, as they would save at least 3-4 hours by avoiding a stop-over in the GRU hub!

About your question of TAP's fares to NE Brazil, the fares are pretty much the same as to GRU and GIG in Y and cheaper for C class. To NE Brazil TAP's C class is not its " top quality" product (lie-flat seats), which are used to GRU and GIG. But again, I experienced C class LIS-REC with TAP, and considering the flight time (+/- 7-8h) it is a reasonably good product  Smile

The strategy has been successful for TAP, as can be seen in the company's current financial situation. Again, all credits to TAP's CEO Fernando Pinto!
(some months ago there were rumours that at the end of the year he would leave TAP to take over a possible new airline in Brazil, which would result from the association of TAM and RG...but this now seem will not materialise)

Take care,
Hardi


[Edited 2004-10-15 14:56:53]

25 BoeingBus : This is all great news... Finally, TP was able to come up with a profitable niche market... early nineties they tried expanding in North America/Asia
26 Post contains images Hardiwv : Question of the day: did TAP only manage to become successful because it got a Brazilian management team? Ps: with that, we should not forget. Congrat
27 Erikwilliam : Ahlem Horus, Kifak habib. Long time no see, I was off from A.net for a while, back now. Tap´s CEO, Fernando Pinto, knows a lot from aviation, and Tap
28 BoeingBus : This should also help TAP expand... Lisbon airport set to be revamped National Airport Authority (ANA) announced this week that Lisbon's International
29 Post contains images PhotoLPPT : Horus, Service to Middle East and Asia is non-existent in TP schedule. A real shame if you ask me. I would like to see TP flying to DXB, so that passe
30 Post contains images Erikwilliam : Guys, just one thing. Tap also make a lot of money with cargo, from Brazil to EU. And the NE send a lot of fruits to EU, and, I´m not too sure, but s
31 Horus : Yahala Erikwilliam, I'm okay, inta 3amel eh? BoeingBus, neither EK or EY have made any firm plans for LIS (as far as I know). Egyptair used to operate
32 Hardiwv : Erikwilliam: You mentioned a very important point. Actually, one of the driving forces of TAP flights to NE Brazil is not only carrying passengers, bu
33 Post contains links and images PhotoLPPT : Horus: TAP never had a big story with the Asian market, only flight ever operated was LIS-MFM, first via BRU and later BKK. Lasted 1996-1999. View Lar
34 Horus : Thanks for the reply Luis. How many passengers did LIS handle in 2003? Horus
35 PhotoLPPT : LIS is currently handling around 11 million pax /year, and growing around 9%-10% per year. A plan was announced this week to expland LIS capacity to 1
36 CV990 : Hi! Regarding Middle East operation I must state that between 1959 and 1961 TAP had a flight from Lisbon to Goa ( Portuguese India ), kinda of "showi
37 Post contains images Hardiwv : Interesting additional info. From January until September 2004, TAP transported a total of 5 million passengers, an increase of 12% if compared to 200
38 Erikwilliam : One thing that deserves recognition is Tap going to Star. That´s awesome, now people from EU can come Brazil, earn FF miles within their companies fl
39 CV990 : Hi! Portugalia e running their business. They have quite a niche of good cities in Europe so I think they're not that bad, they're still struggling f
40 BA : Horus, I don't think there is much demand for Portugal - Middle East flights. Regards
41 Hardiwv : BA: Agree with you. TAP should concentrate (and perform well) on its core market: 1) first and foremost: Brazil - which is TAP's daily bread. 2) intra
42 JoFMO : @Hardiwv: I agree with you but would also include 2 dailys to North America.
43 BoeingBus : Yes, N. America is a big market for tourists and folks who want to visit their homeland. Strangely, TAP has given this up to SATA or Azores Express an
44 Post contains images Erikwilliam : CV990: Obrigado! my only hope now is for all airlines that have old MD-80 to get some new, fresh, confy and silent E-170/190´s. Also that I can get a
45 Post contains images Hardiwv : BoeingBus: OK, I would include the US as no. 4 in the list. I'm also optimistic with the US because of the codeshare with UA next year. Any other dest
46 Horus : BA, even though it's true the market between Portugal and the Middle East is small, it is worthy of some connections. As I said before 9/11 MS had 2x
47 BoeingBus : Hardiwv, If TP seriously focused in the N American market it would do very very well... But TP conceded this to SATA, as I mentioned before they are s
48 Hardiwv : BoeingBus: When TAP was concentrading on the US and Canada, which is the period before Fernando Pinto took the helm of the organisation, TAP was ALWAY
49 Airbazar : TAP abandoned N.America as a strategic plan to get itself profitable. They needed to restructure the route network and that meant cutting flights and
50 Post contains images Hardiwv : Airbazar: Agree with you. TAP relied on a very small country (Portugal), with a small population without much economic power (GDP per head of Portugal
51 CV990 : Hi! Just to add a bit regarding some markets that TP had and they dropped for some reason. First of all the North American market, I have to say that
52 Hardiwv : CV990: Sorry, but I have to disagree with you. TAP dropped the flights to the other North American destinations (i.e. Boston, Montreal/Toronto) simply
53 BoeingBus : Hardi, Have you ever been to Boston or researched the demographics of this area? As CV99 mentioned in his email there huge numbers of Portuguese ex-pa
54 CV990 : Hi Hardiwv. That's quite strange what you say specially taking in mind that TAP started flights to BOS in 1969 ( inaugural flight in a 707-382B CS-TB
55 Hardiwv : CV990: What I stated is that TAP routes to the US where very unprofitable, and this is well known. At the time TAP was flying those routes they were n
56 JoFMO : I am not dreaming of an big expansion to North America. The only thing that I expact is that TAP opens a second transa-Atlantic flight to one of the s
57 Erikwilliam : JoFMO: they´ll enter Star nest year, maybe there´s your answer, since UA and US are in Star. have a good one.
58 Hardiwv : I agree. TAP will have to restructure its route to the US, as it enters Star. I don't see how TAP will keep its service to EWR, as from next year it w
59 BoeingBus : TP will never leave EWR to go for ORD or any other part of the country for that matter... Again, you have to look at who flies to Portugal... you woul
60 DETA737 : I'm not sure that TAP should expand very much in North America. Despite joining Star Alliance I think they will keep flying to EWR since even without
61 CV990 : Hi! I just want to emphasise the fact that TAP will ALWAYS maintain the only gateway to USA, the daily flight to EWR or any other US destination, but
62 Pzurita1 : Going back to reply #44 by Hardiww: I guess routes such as Portugal-Former colonies in Africa (Angola, Cape Verde, Mozambique, Guinea Bissau or Sao To
63 Pzurita1 : However, I must reckon it is hard to have a solid strategy on these African routes when TP only flies 8 times a week to LAD, MPM, Sao Tome and Bissau
64 Dirkou : DETA737: "There was a huge EU commission report on the state bailout of $1.1 billion (that's right) given to TAP in 1994 to achieve profitability." Ho
65 DETA737 : Dirkou I've read several reports on Portuguese aviation and I've posted facts and figures. Though citing balance sheets and actual data on airlines ma
66 Airbazar : TAP will never be successful in N.America because, as so many people pointed out, TAP's traffic to N.America is based on very low yield O&D traffic li
67 Flyguy1 : Is there a large Portugese population in NJ? I had read once, that this is the reason TP stopped JFK, for EWR only.
68 Hardiwv : DETA737: Excellent report about TP past operations to N. America and how they were unprofitable. Thank you very much. You substantiated my argument: T
69 Hardiwv : Just some fresh positive news on TAP: TAP reached the mark of 5 million pax in September, and will break its record by reaching total pax number of mo
70 JoFMO : Any fresh news when they will join Star? I heard rumors about April 2005.
71 Hardiwv : TAP will officialy joing Star as of April/2005. TP is particularlly looking forward to codeshare flights with RG to Brazil. UA will also boost TP pres
72 JoFMO : Have you heard anythink about an codeshare between TP and LH? I haven't heard anything so so far, but I guess they will sooner or later anounce some k
73 JoFMO : Maybe we can even get some new destinations served by TAP in Germany. DUS, STR and TXL are on my wishlist.
74 Hardiwv : JoFMO: I am sure that after TP joins Star it will upgrade its flights to German destinations so as to maximise LH services to other European and Asian
75 BoeingBus : Heck, with all this expansion I think TP needs to look at new planes... Also, the current A310 and 343 are descent but they could use new interiors an
76 Hardiwv : BoeingBus: I personally think they will stick to the Airbus! I also agree that TP needs to improve the interior of their planes and introduce PTVs! Ha
77 Post contains images LatinPlane : How are TAP's services to Venezuela doing for the airline, taking into consideration that Venezuela must hold the third or fourth largest Portuguese
78 Hardiwv : LatinPlane: TP is operating to CCS 3 x week flights as follows: Tuesdays: OPO-CCS A313; Mondays: LIS-CCS A313; Saturdays: LIS-FNC-CCS A313; Apparently
79 JoFMO : Wasn't it earlier said that their integration will begin April 2005?
80 Hardiwv : JoFMO: Sorry, you're right: TP will joing Star in April/05. I think SA will join in June/05. This info is also posted in Star website. Rgs, Hardi
81 Post contains links Hardiwv : JoFMO: This is the press-release from Star Alliance on TAP membership: "Star Alliance Approves TAP Membership - Consolidates Network's Latin Link SING
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