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User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 2962 times:

The following article is from a recent issue of the Sun Herald:

GULFPORT - Harrison County Tourism Commissioners discussed Tuesday the best way to approach commercial airline companies about adding flights to Gulfport-Biloxi International Airport.

Demand for seats is so high that in many cases potential visitors have difficulty booking flights from the same metropolitan areas targeted in advertising campaigns. Al Hopkins, chairman of the Tourism Commission, said he realized the severity of the situation on a recent flight from Houston.

The time has come for the county to make another pitch directly to airline executives because passenger numbers are much higher than they were four or five years ago, he said.

Commissioner Beverly Martin said the effort should be carefully coordinated with a consultant because airlines look at factors other than passenger numbers when making decisions on whether to add flights. They require storage areas for spare parts and other infrastructure, she said.

Tourism commissioners discussed the necessity of working closely with airport officials. Ken Spirito, the airport's assistant executive director, said it welcomed the tourism commission's support.

"There's definitely some synergy between both boards and we have worked together," Spirito said.

The airport is in the midst of a $38 million expansion that will almost double the size of its terminal building. Delta is adding a daily flight to Orlando with 50 seats. Northwest is adding 172 seats daily to Memphis beginning Nov. 1. Delta also increased seat capacity by 80 seats in September and October through flight changes, he said.

"By the time Jan. 31 rolls around, we are going to have as many general seats as we did pre 9/11," Spirito said. "Not many markets can have that situation. The trend is to decrease seats. We've actually increased scheduled seats."

my comments: This makes public the proof that exist of GPT high load factor and the willingness of some airlines to give us the seats GPT needs, and can fill. To people who think everyone to/from GPT should do the I-10 commute to MSY, I'd say consider GPT first, were growing, we've got more seats coming,
and the airlines are taking a chance here, because the know they can win.

Additionally, any new carriers out there (ie:UA, AW, US, AA, et al) runway 14/32 is ready for your clearence any time you'd like drop in.

Fly high with GPT!




GEAUX SAINTS!
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User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2889 times:
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Great news... I would think yields are the main thing out of there that's discourging to new carriers with FL already being there.

Today's Arrivals:
Atlanta, GA Airtran Airways 183 09:24 AM Arrived
Tampa, FL Airtran Airways 1901 11:57 AM Scheduled
Fort Lauderdale, FL Airtran Airways 1903 02:47 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Airtran Airways 659 04:41 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 365 09:40 AM Arrived
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 539 01:07 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 331 03:11 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 537 05:35 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 150 07:07 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 418 09:36 PM Scheduled
Atlanta, GA Atlantic Southeast Airlines 627 11:08 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental 133 08:05 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2891 08:59 AM Arrived
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2188 11:40 AM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2043 02:36 PM Scheduled
Houston, TX Continental Express/ExpressJet Airlines 2079 05:14 PM Scheduled
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3543 10:51 AM In Flight
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3556 03:37 PM Scheduled
Memphis, TN Mesaba Aviation 3444 08:35 PM Scheduled

Maybe theese carriers in the near future:
AW to PHX/LAS
CO to EWR
NW to MSP/DTW
UA to DEN and AA or UA to ORD
Indy Air to IAD

That would really help connect the dots. I am very surprised there isn't already AA service to DFW.

Your thoughts???



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2766 times:

Iowaman:

Thax for the input.

Yes, I think with NW strong presence at GPT (past and present) that MSP and DTW are givens, DTW before MSP probably.

I do strongly feel some form of west bound service to the west could be sustianed by GPT, even if not on a daily basis. But Yes, I'd see AW as the best canidate for that route due to heavy connections and pt 2 pt via PHX, and LAS.

CO to EWR has been in the pipeline for some time, but has yet to arrive. W/ new ERJXs, service may now start sooner than later.

FL needs more frequency to ATL. Regardless of what people say, those flights could be sustianed w/out massive subsidy payments. FL to DFW will come about, that flight has demand.

UAX to DEN is an intresting possibility, and would diffently make sense if UA launched ORD and IAD flts from GPT.

AA/Eagle will come about, I feel, when is not none, but I don't think it will be that far off. ORD could easily happen as well.

Indy to IAD or the sunshine state could happen, lots of tourits and gov't travelers to support it, frequency may depend heavily on connecting tfc.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Also, service to BWI and/or PHL on FL is good canidate for the future


GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2627 times:
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While thinking some more I also thought of:

US to CLT or PHL (better than nothing)
F9 to DEN



Next flights: WN DSM-LAS-PHX, US PHX-SJD. Return: US SJD-PHX, WN PHX-MDW-DSM
User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2618 times:

I don't think you'll see GPT-DEN. Not a chance. GPT-IAD is a stretch even. I think GPT-EWR is a possibility, but I don't see it happening anytime soon. And when it happens, it would not be more than one or at the most two daily ERJXR's.

Without the subsidies you would not see as much Air Tran service from GPT. That is the word from the Air Tran manager in MSY. I would not look for GPT-DFW on FL. Look for AA Eagle to restart that route with a few daily ERJ's in the future. There isn't room for both AA and FL in that market. AA could make it work thanks to the connections in DFW.

The truth of the matter is that GPT is a nearly 100% leisure oriented market. There is no real business traffic. No convention traffic. People go to GPT to gamble or to visit family in the area. That's pretty much it. Sure you have some NASA employees going over to Stennis, but other than that, not much business. There is enough leisure demand in the area for some increased service that much is certain, but not to the point where you'd see 100 flights per day leaving from GPT. Probably not even 50.

I can definetely see AA returning to GPT, but I think that's it as far as new carriers go.


User currently offlinePensacolaguy From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 546 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2583 times:

Well, We can all dream.
We all want nonstop service to all the major business/leisure destionations in the US, from our local airport. XXX to LGA,ORD,DCA Etc..
It's really not in our hands. (It's not our choice)


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 2520 times:

AirTran tried GPT flights out of DFW, BNA (before they dropped the city), FLL, TPA, HOU, and MCO in addition to the ATL flights, and only the once dailies from FLL and TPA remain. If the lack of seats on the route is the problem, why not just throw the 737 on the route. Delta does a Saturday-only flight as well. For some reason, GPT seems like it would be a good fit for Hooters Air.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2495 times:

"Yes, I think with NW strong presence at GPT (past and present) that MSP and DTW are givens, DTW before MSP probably.

I do strongly feel some form of west bound service to the west could be sustianed by GPT, even if not on a daily basis. But Yes, I'd see AW as the best canidate for that route due to heavy connections and pt 2 pt via PHX, and LAS.

CO to EWR has been in the pipeline for some time, but has yet to arrive. W/ new ERJXs, service may now start sooner than later.

FL needs more frequency to ATL. Regardless of what people say, those flights could be sustianed w/out massive subsidy payments. FL to DFW will come about, that flight has demand.

UAX to DEN is an intresting possibility, and would diffently make sense if UA launched ORD and IAD flts from GPT.

AA/Eagle will come about, I feel, when is not none, but I don't think it will be that far off. ORD could easily happen as well.

Indy to IAD or the sunshine state could happen, lots of tourits and gov't travelers to support it, frequency may depend heavily on connecting tfc."

get in line and wait your turn.. Trust me on this one........ Big grin


User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2462 times:

As usuall Mystristar has dampened the mood of another great fourm regarding a great airport. MYS you need to get over your anti-GPT mentatlity, you wouldn't be losing that may pax from MSY flts. and I really get feed up with your crap about GPT- West of Texas flts never happening, truth is I believe they'd work great, and further believe (with others) that they will happen, cause Coastians and vistors here aren't going to put up with that commute to the other side of NO and all the headaches that come with it (Unless there that loayl to WN, B6, or your almighty Frontier), since there the least likely to show up at GPT.

You seem to think everyone coming through GPT is a sorry, drunk gambeler. Fact is we turn out a great deal of business based traffic from our military instillations, including Stennis, Keesler AFB, the NCBC, and Homeport Pascagoula. We also have a decent demand form civil business intities as well.
If the weren't the airlines wouldn't be increasing seats.

Srbmod: HA HA HA Hooters Air, that's a good one, but it probaly work. However I've got to gorwl at you with your quip about larger planes, Those are great, don't get me wrong, but need to understand, for whatever reason people travel, they like to have a choice of flt frequncey to choose from, this is the basis of what the hub system is based on and what pax expect.


To further my rage againsit MYStristar: IAD should have already happened. DCA is slot controlled, but middle America travelers air finding a nice alternitave with the large regional presence based their. GPT puts out a helluva a lot of pax to the DC area, IAD makes perfect sense, not "a strech".

In regards to FL failed GPT-DFW flt. That was in a time before the airline was a large and respected as it is now. There wasn't even a DFW focus city on the radar at that time, and thus no connecting opps. The flt has piss poor marketring becuase it BNA, MCO, and other flts FL droped where strictly casino funded flts for card players and slot lovers, and that's why they lost their ass on those flits, even the subsidy didn't help. Not true in the case of the remaning GPT/FL destination, there is demand, but the economics have to be pretty good, are the airline couldn' t sustian the flts, even with subsidies.

KCRW you need to grow up and relaize I'm older than you and so is GPT and we've been waiting a helluva a lot longer for service upgrades than you have, so don't you dare come telling me to wait my turn, cause I'm further up that list than you are.

To Iowaman and Pensacola GUY, thanx for your kind thoughts, there much apprciated, however PNS guy, where not dreaming @ GPT, the dedicated staff out there is working more air service ops every day.

Finally MYS, your only 1 % right agian! Eagle will return, but your dead wrong about the rest of your falsefications about GPT, please know, we've got the demand, we've got the busines folks, and we've got what it takes. Prehaps you are 2% right, even I don't envision GPT being the size of MSY, but your ridcule, and theory of no growth is dead wrong.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

To people who think everyone to/from GPT should do the I-10 commute to MSY, I'd say consider GPT first, were growing, we've got more seats coming, and the airlines are taking a chance here, because the know they can win.

That's all nice and bully for GPT, but it's still in the same boat as BTR:
namely, so long as LoCos (not to mention multiple airlines who'd compete on the same routes) choose to congregate at MSY; you're still going to see a significant loss of would-be GPT pax


User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2411 times:

"KCRW you need to grow up and relaize I'm older than you and so is GPT and we've been waiting a helluva a lot longer for service upgrades than you have, so don't you dare come telling me to wait my turn, cause I'm further up that list than you are"

Not you as a person, but GPT as an airport. (everyones older than me, i completely understand that).sorry for not clarifying, me telling you to wain in line for something would be stupid. no hard feelings.



User currently offlineDsuairptman From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 897 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2342 times:

KCRW: Thanx for clarifying, however, GPT and several other airports will probably see air service increase before CRW. No offense, but GPT has been waiting in line a long time, were about due our turn.

Concorde Boy: True, but I'd like to see myself as the guy who turns the tide (to some small extinct) for GPT.



GEAUX SAINTS!
User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

I guess so, when was your last upgrade or new service anyway?

User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2268 times:

Let's take a look at a few of these:

IAD/DEN/ORD to GPT on UA: Not likely in the next ten years. UA has a minimal presence in the South and has struggled to make any secondary southern markets work. Plus, with UA retiring many of their smaller 737's, all of the incoming RJ's will be needed to backfill those routes.

PHX to GPT on HP: Not a chance. HP has a minimal presence in the South and the demand for this route isn't there. There are tons of larger markets in the East that HP would go to before GPT. Take a look at GPT's O+D numbers, the bulk of GPT's traffic is in the Eastern US....thus there isn't a need for a ton of Western service.

DTW/MSP to GPT on NW: These routes have a chance. NW already has a decent presence at GPT and the number of banks at MEM is limited. I could see NW doing DTW/MSP-GPT 1-2x daily with a CRJ.

DFW to GPT on AA: This route could work with a few ERJ's daily. However, AA only has a limited number of RJ's and they will be very selective. I'm not sure AA wants to commit a high CASM RJ to a relatively low-yield route like GPT. Even DL has not been willing to commit to this route on a daily basis...despite the fact that DL had a hub at DFW and a good sized customer base in GPT.

IAD to GPT on Indy: If Indy's strategy of using RJ's in an LCC model works, then in a few years, this route could work. However, given Indy's current losses, I can't see them taking a chance on a market like GPT. Also, Indy might favor markets with no LCC presence, instead of duking it out with Airtran.

Airtran expansion: If GPT's numbers continue to grow, I can see Airtran adding another flight to ATL. Beyond that, I don't see Airtran adding additional markets to GPT. BWI/PHL-GPT is too thin for a 717. Airtran has publicly stated that they are hesitant to build up DFW to a hub, so you can forget that too.

One final note, while GPT's traffic numbers are growing, some of that growth is not really coming from GPT. GPT steals a substantial amount of traffic from MOB (which has no LCC). If MOB someday gets an LCC (and I believe that they will), GPT's numbers will take a hit.





User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 2249 times:

"One final note, while GPT's traffic numbers are growing, some of that growth is not really coming from GPT. GPT steals a substantial amount of traffic from MOB (which has no LCC). If MOB someday gets an LCC (and I believe that they will), GPT's numbers will take a hit."

you hit the nail on the head. Only in CRW it was the other way around. Folks would drive to colombus to fly southwest. As passengers were increasing anyway, when indy came, boardings literally jumped 13% higher. I think that if INDY does fly somewhere down there, itll be MOB, because of the cities they target.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

Dsu, bitter are we? I am not ridiculing GPT. I am simply stating the facts, whether you choose to believe so or not.

And man, you have rage against me? Over an internet forum? What has the world come to.


User currently offlineMSYtristar From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 6552 posts, RR: 51
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Also I find this amusing.

Since when did I ever say GPT will have no growth? I did not. The growth I suggested (as did FlyPNS1) is REALISTIC growth for a market such as GPT. If you want to fly nonstop to DEN/IAD/PHX/LAS so bad, just drive over to MSY, like a great number of the residents in your area do.


User currently offlineTokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2136 times:

The loads on ATL-GPT is one of the best in ASA's system. I know that for a fact. Is it money making? probably not enough to warrant more mainline flights.

However, Delta should consider launching a couple of CVG flights from GPT on 50 seaters to give the passengers more options and the flexibility for travel Northeastward and completely avoid ATL..(which sometimes this is a very good thing for customers especially during summer months)

Also be advised that when Delta ditches DFW in Jan 2005, there are going to be handful of new CVG flight from that region (MGM/BTR/MOB) and GPT was not one of them and I was a bit surprised.

TokyoNarita.

[Edited 2004-10-17 00:56:56]

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2098 times:

Dsuairptman,

MSYtristar is committing a crime.

Yes, that crime called being REALISTIC .

It's like you are taking these things personally even w/ kcrw, sheesh...


User currently offlinePhatfarmlines From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1353 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2086 times:

Commissioner Beverly Martin said the effort should be carefully coordinated with a consultant because airlines look at factors other than passenger numbers when making decisions on whether to add flights. They require storage areas for spare parts and other infrastructure, she said.

It's interesting how yield wasn't mentioned in the 'factors' listed in the above quote (but storage areas for spare parts seems to be more important). I think FL has a good niche for GPT (do they still have the agreement w/ Beau Rivage? or is GPT now a self-generating revenue station for FL?). Inviting competition would probably deter FL away from GPT provided the agreement w/ Beau Rivage isn't in place.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2093 times:

GPT is also getting a 737-200 from Delta to replace a CR7. Do not count on AirTran getting the 737-700 anytime soon. They don't fill the 717s up enough as it is. American Eagle was in here a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago with flights to BNA, and when they closed that hub, AE went Axe in GPT... The only way FL would bring a 737 in here is if BR wanted to fill a plane to LAS and back, and that would either bring over competition or send out competition players. Remember, AirTran in GPT is FULLY Subsidized by Beau Rivage and Grand Casinos. I was really surprised when I saw the Grand Casino Ads on Airliners.net. I do not think you will see Independence Air in here anytime soon. I'll keep you posted.

User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3804 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2058 times:

"GPT is also getting a 737-200 from Delta to replace a CR7. Do not count on AirTran getting the 737-700 anytime soon. They don't fill the 717s up enough as it is. American Eagle was in here a Lonnnnnnnnnnnng time ago with flights to BNA, and when they closed that hub, AE went Axe in GPT... The only way FL would bring a 737 in here is if BR wanted to fill a plane to LAS and back, and that would either bring over competition or send out competition players. Remember, AirTran in GPT is FULLY Subsidized by Beau Rivage and Grand Casinos. I was really surprised when I saw the Grand Casino Ads on Airliners.net. I do not think you will see Independence Air in here anytime soon. I'll keep you posted"

you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4383 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2032 times:
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you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?

Probably CRW.  Big grin



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User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6603 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2040 times:

you wouldnt happen to know where that cr7 is going, would you?

Anywhere but CRW...........just kidding.

Actually, the number of ASA CR7's based in ATL will be declining a bit as DL will be basing 19 CR7's in SLC.





25 Kcrwflyer : man we just cant get a break. Those CRJs to and from ATL have extremely high load factors. Our airport director was appauled when he found out that DL
26 Dsuairptman : Let me appeal to a few statements made since my last post. Lambert Man: First Off: To the comments regarding my taking this issue persnonally, I will
27 Iowaman : I have a couple of questions for Kcrwflyer and Dsuairptman regarding there local airports. I thought I would ask these questions before more people ju
28 Post contains images BR715-A1-30 : I cannot tell you who I got the info from, but I can tell you they work for FL in GPT. They told me that they can fill a 717, but they cannot fill the
29 MSYtristar : Dsu, whatever new service GPT receives will benefit the entire Gulf South area. That is going without saying. Think of me what you will, but know that
30 Post contains links Kcrwflyer : CRW's terminal is nice, new and remodeled. Ticket counters have skylight. ummm, We only have 1 baggage claim carousel but we really need 2 for peak ti
31 FlyPNS1 : What I'm saying is to look as the size of PNS compared to GPT which has almost the same demographics mentioned above, would you not think both airport
32 BR715-A1-30 : Don't forget about MOB. We are sitting here talking about GPT and MOB is the smallest (as it seems)
33 Kcrwflyer : While PNS and GPT do have some similarities, PNS is larger than GPT in terms of population. According to the 2000 Census, GPT had a metro population o
34 Dsuairptman : ARRGHHH!!! Don't you guys just hate when your about to post and your browser resets the page, deleting your soon to be posted words? That just happene
35 Post contains links Dsuairptman : Iowaman: Here's a tid-bit summerizing the increased gate space with GPT enlargement: Total square footage in the Terminal will increase from 92,000 sq
36 Dsuairptman : Just refreshing this thread. Thanx
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