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Ntsb Issues Scathing Report On Air Sunshine Crash  
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5994 times:

"This never should have happened."  Sad

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-10-13-ntsb-crash_x.htm

I'm still looking for a reg # on this plane.  Confused

[Edited 2004-10-15 07:04:47]


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

N314AB...I have a picture of it 2 days before it crashed...

Greg



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5937 times:

Hopefully the NTSB doesn't turn this crash into another ill-advised call to give themselves regalatory powers.

Doing that would defeat their impartiality, and is one of the reason why Jim Hall retireing was a very good thing.



OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5940 times:

N314AB...I have a picture of it 2 days before it crashed...

Thanks. At FLL I presume. Where are they still flying nowadays? And what is their fleet? Since they pulled out of SRQ, I haven't kept track of them.



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineBoeing7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5881 times:

Out the window goes the NTSB's objectivity.

Nice. They just made it easy for the general public to demand the NTSB place blame in incidents.

[Edited 2004-10-15 07:41:24]

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5823 times:

When I was a manager at ((another airline)), Air Sometimes... err Sunshine, had us do a few of their trips for them. We stopped doing it because the agents would constantly overload our aircraft, a couple times they'd "misrepresent bag weights" and passenger weights... I remember one of our pilots calling in range at FLL and asked me to keep some scales handy & have me weigh bags before putting them on the bag belt, he said his plane was oscelating (with autopilot on).

To this day, I'm still surprised our flight made it to FLL from Marsh Harbour that day considering how OVERWEIGHT the plane was (we're talking near Aaliyah overweight). Thank God the 402C's had the vortex generators & STOL kits on board... if something would have happened.. oye!

Unfortunately Air Sunshine is all about money and greed over safety. There are many MANY other "unpublished" reports of sloppy Air Sunshine operations, including gear collapses in the Bahamas. Money sure will keep things quiet. The owners of Air Sometimes are also suing the Bahamian government for pulling their scheduled operating authority after the crash.

-n

[Edited 2004-10-15 08:26:42]

User currently offlineJMChladek From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 331 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5738 times:

Geeez, overweight aircraft probably also gives clues as to why the dang thing couldn't fly level on one engine either. Now there may be some people who don't like the NTSB potentially coming up with more oversight, but something like this is NOT good. Only regret is that a few bad apples like this make it worse for the rest of the commuter airlines that operate by the rulebook.

User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5476 times:

I do not see how the NTSB can be impartial. Surely their role is to ensure that Transport is safe. Safe is good unsafe is bad. Yes, I do understand that perfect safety is impossible.

Frankly, the USATODAY report would not inspire me to fly with Air Sunshine.

If there are faults that the NSTB needs to say so. If segmentking's reply is representative, then should they be flying at all.

Why sdid the engine blow up in the cruise?

What was the quality standards of their maintenance?

How many times can you fail the FAA tests and still fly?

Why was there apparently no safety briefing, given that the flight was over watersurely the passengers should have been told about the life vests.

Why was the pilot unable to maintain height?


User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7526 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5455 times:


I only found one previous crash on WWW.AVIATION-SAFETY.NET.

I think that it is worth reading.

http://aviation-safety.net/database/1977/770115-2.htm


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 5366 times:

I do not see how the NTSB can be impartial. Surely their role is to ensure that Transport is safe. Safe is good unsafe is bad.

Completely agree. Why should they be impartial? I'm not even sure what that means in regard to air safety. I can imagine their public hearings now: "Ok, we've heard why you believe airlines should be safe. Now, in the interest of being impartial, we'll hear you over here on why airlines should be unsafe."

What the heck? I just don't get it. Their mandate is to make safety recommendations and that's it, not to be impartial. Their conclusions are based on factual evidence, not political correctness. If they were given power to enforce their recommendations, I don't see how anything would change other than airline travel becoming even more safe (I can think of a half dozen accidents off the top of my head that would not have happened if previous NTSB recommendations had been adopted).



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