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User currently offlineDster From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Does anybody know if there is a station on Virgin Atlantic's in-flight music system that broadcasts the ATC communications?

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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 4903 times:

No there isn't. As far as I am aware the only airline that offers such a feature is UA.

User currently onlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4096 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

UA is the only airline that has live ATC feeds to the IFE. Not sure why other airlines don't do it, the only reason I can think of is that a patent may be involved. But I'm not sure if the technology used could be patented.

User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 863 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4584 times:

I wonder it the lack of ATC feeds on IFE is a legacy issue traced back to the AA DC-10 disaster at ORD.

Back in the late 1970's some airlines had begin to install cameras in the flight deck and relay the video feeds of takeoff and landings back to the cabin.

When the AA DC-10 disaster happened, there were numerous sub-stories in the press playing out the horror passengers may have felt by not only being in a disaster but also watching it unfold in the cockpit. (I can't remember if the AA DC-10 flight had that equipment and if it was ever determined if it was operating, but it seems like, if memory serves me well, it did and it was) The press stories envisioned more prolonged catastrophes that would horrify passengers.

I think this has had a lasting impact in limiting any type of flight deck monitoring as in flight entertainment. UA seems to be the only airline that has bucked the trend.

Disclaimer: I am just using my memory for this post. Anybody out there in A.net land can confirm or disprove, please do. thanks, I really would like to know if I am remembering this correctly.



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User currently offlineRyu2 From Taiwan, joined Aug 2002, 487 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4491 times:

All Nippon Airways (NH) of Japan still has the cameras for takeoff and landing. And you can watch the camera for the whole flight on the PTV if you want too.

User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 16908 posts, RR: 67
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4474 times:

All Nippon Airways (NH) of Japan still has the cameras for takeoff and landing. And you can watch the camera for the whole flight on the PTV if you want too.

Yes but is that camera of the outside or of the cockpit?




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User currently offlinePecoua From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 299 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

Yes to flypijets......

AA191, on May 25th, 1979, was in fact equipped with the flight deck camera and it was operating at the time of the crash...I remember reading the News Tribune at home in NJ...there was a dedicated article on how the pax were watching the takeoff on the cabin video screens and how AA confirmed this to be true....I can't imagine what they went thru on that airplane.

Also, some friends of mine used to fly for AA and they said that those cameras were made to turn off and become disabled if the aircraft made too drastic of a turn or some extreme g forces...I cannot confirm this to be true and I don't know if the camera on 191 operated until impact...but they swear that it probably went dead when the plane started it's roll to the left...

Hope this helps


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4313 times:

As far as I'm aware, the camera views on ANA shows the views outside of the aircraft. I believe that some Asian carriers do this other than ANA. I could be wrong on that one.


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User currently offlineFlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 863 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4291 times:

Pecoua:

Thanks. I didn't know they were made to disable under certain conditions. That makes sense, though.



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User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

Swiss has cameras on their A340s and A330s that are i think someone on the bottom of the fuselage, i know you can watch takeoff and landings on the PTVs.

TWA902



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User currently offlineSfo212 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 220 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 4212 times:

Back to the topic of ATC transmissions, I am curious why no other airline does it. The pilots have full discretion to disable the feed if they feel it necessary. I was on UA at LAX taxiing out on a flight to SFO. I was monitoring Channel 9 listening to the chatter and then after a bit I noticed no voices. But I did notice aircraft moving around on the ramp and pushing back. Next thing I know we are pulled off to the side and were stopped. Soon one of the flight crew came out of the cockpit to speak with a passenger in first class. Don't know what the passenger's problem was. But after a couple of minutes, the pilot went back to cockpit and we started moving again and then the ATC came back on.

During all of this no one made a PA announcement why we were stopped. The only way I knew something was up was listening to Channel 9.


User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

emirates have the cameras outside as well. If memory serves correctly there is on the front wheel gears as well

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Emirates have two cameras: one facing forward and one facing directly down, but not on the front wheel gear. Would be nice if they cleaned the lens once in a while... The forward facing camera is, I think, slightly pointed downwards as you can see the runway when coming into land in a nose-up attitude.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineMoose1226 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 6 months 1 week 5 days ago) and read 3489 times:

The pilots on UA (the only camera or ATC that I have experienced) seem to use good judgement as to when it should be on and off. I flew UA from IAD to SJO this summer, and when we were handed off to SJO Tower, our captain attempted to make contact with the tower, there was no response. He tried about four times to make contact, and then Channel 9 was turned off. The pilots keep the fact that the passengers are listening in mind, and turn it off when the deem necessary. I don't think that it is a problem to have Channel 9 or outside cameras.

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