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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6571 times:

Why is it common to include "international" in the titles of airports, when they have little to zero international flights? AUS might have a few link flights to MEX, that's' all I can think of. Any ideas or other airports you can think of?

AA777jr

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User currently offlineIanatstn From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 577 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Hey AA777jr,

If I am not mistaken, I beleive that an airport is called international if it has the facilities to operate international flights.

In your example AUS probably has these facilities, even if they are used very little/never.

Cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6518 times:

I don't believe there is customs at AUS. I think its pretty cheesy to advertise yourself as an "international" airport and not have any decent flights to speak of. Thanks for info.

AA777jr


User currently offlineCiccone From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 42 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

AUS has both immigration and customs facilities. Even though airlines may not use these facilities on a regular basis, general aviation and charters may utilize them.


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User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

Wasn't aware of that Ciccone, thanks for the information.

It's still cheesy!  Smile

AA777jr


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6458 times:

I believe there are many other so-called 'international' airports in the states which don't even have services to Mexico nor Canada. I read a thread on this a couple of months back.

User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21484 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6455 times:

Lots of small airports have the "international" tag, if they have the facilities to handle international flights. Chances are your local biz-jet GA airport is an international airport.


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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2940 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6409 times:

Actually, Osaka Itami International Airport is an airport that has not seen one commercial int'l flight in over 10 years since Kansai opened. There has been some diverts over the years but there are no longer immigration and customs facilities.


User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

RIC, Richmond International, in Richmond, VA with no international services comes to mind...

Then again there's always Evansville International EVV (kidding!)

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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6292 times:

One's which piss me off in the UK are Norwich International and Humberside International. Leeds/Bradford International (my local) as well for that matter.

Cheers,

Rob K  Smile


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 6271 times:

Another is when a huge aiport is truly international but only because the preponderance of the international flights are from U.S. carriers. A true international airport has more than BA or LH, plus AA.

Kinda sounds like pathetic DFW, huh?



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User currently offlineGo3Team From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6177 times:

RIC, Richmond International, in Richmond, VA with no international services comes to mind...

IIRC, AC had service here a few years ago, but it did not last long. The customs and immigration office, last time I checked was in the air freight area.



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 6127 times:

Hey Rob, Norwich and Leeds both have a good deal of European services, and I am sure Leeds has a few IT charters to the US and Canada. Don't forget, Doncaster's new airport will be Doncaster International and will also probably have similar services. ONT did not have international facilities for commercial flights for a long time, but has been Ontario International Airport for at least half a century. The reason? Tons of international cargo flights.


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User currently offlineKcrwflyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3795 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

PHF, Newport news (international airport). Airtran , US, and DL... Not the least bit international. Dont know about their cargo.

If all you need is customs ect.. CRW could be international. We handle cargo from Montreal by the amerijet 737 load.


User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6068 times:

To Aa77jr: Airports are called "international" if/because they can handle customs even for GA traffic to nearby countrys. Consider Bangor International in Bangor Maine. Only the one runway and smallish facilities, but they handle customs for GA to surrounding Canadian provinces and I think that there are
4 or 5 more in Maine that are small airports called international. To be "International" does not mean handling major jet pax/cargo flights only.



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User currently offlineCheco77 From Peru, joined Oct 2004, 1345 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6038 times:

Tulsa Intl Airport, Oklahoma is so called but has no intl flight neither to Mexico nor Canada. They don´t even have immigration posts!!! (I went there once).
I don´t know why they call it Intl.
Adam Bechny



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User currently offlineIntruderPC From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5982 times:

Checo77 Tulsa doesn't have "immigration" posts but they do have customs.
There are many flights of bizjets and GA to Mexico and Canada and even some over seas that require customs. Customs stations and capabilities are set up at many airports that seem "unworthy" to many people. There is the need for it because of cargo, GA, biz flights etc.



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User currently offlineVS11 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1109 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5961 times:

They may not have many pax flights but a lot of cargo flights. You still customs to clear imported goods.

User currently offlineNW7E7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 533 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5938 times:

LIT has customs but it is called a National airport. I don't know many National airports. The only other one I can think of is DCA and they have AC but it is still a National airport...kind of weird.

NW7E7


User currently offlineFATFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2001, 5790 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

I've posted this before, when this topic came up 6 months ago, and before that as well.

In the US the Federal Govt. defines an "international airport" in Code of Federal Regulations 19CFR122.1 as:
(e) International airport. An international airport is any airport designated by:
(1) The Secretary of the Treasury or the Commissioner of Customs as a port of entry for aircraft arriving in the U.S. from any place outside thereof and for the merchandise carried on such aircraft;
(2) The Attorney General as a port of entry for aliens arriving on such aircraft; and
(3) The Secretary of Health and Human Services as a place for quarantine inspection.


So it is an airport with the services to handle any kind of international flight, not necessarily an airport which receives commercial international flights.

This FAA advisory circular is a couple of years old but starting on page 3 it does list the airports that the US government would consider international as of 1996. I don't think there have been any major changes since then.
http://www.faa.gov/arp/pdf/5000-5c.pdf





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User currently offlineRobK From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 3946 posts, RR: 18
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5883 times:

Hey Rob, Norwich and Leeds both have a good deal of European services, and I am sure Leeds has a few IT charters to the US and Canada. Don't forget, Doncaster's new airport will be Doncaster International and will also probably have similar services. ONT did not have international facilities for commercial flights for a long time, but has been Ontario International Airport for at least half a century. The reason? Tons of international cargo flights.

Sorry, but personally I don't class flights to continental Europe 'International' - they're merely 'Intercontinental'. International - to me - would mean 'out of Europe' from here within Europe and yes Leeds does have the seasonal Toronto service but I don't think it justifies the 'International' title. If the airports had a scheduled service to an airport out of Europe then yes, I'd say it warrants the title but not a seasonal once-weekly charter. Know what I'm trying say?

I mean, what next? Carlisle Intl ? Ipswich Intl ? It's beyond a joke.

Cheers,

Rob K  Smile


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5854 times:

TexDavid,

DFW at least operates flights to South America in addition to AA flights to NRT. AUS is the patheic airport!

AA777jr


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26354 posts, RR: 76
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5839 times:

Rob, using that logic, flights from the US to Canada to Mexico would not be international, even though they cross boarders. Also, the UK is not a continent, so they cannot be called intercontinental. Now the, flights from the US to Europe are intercontinental. Damn northerners  Big thumbs up


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

Sorry, but personally I don't class flights to continental Europe 'International' - they're merely 'Intercontinental'.

Firstly, who cares what you classify: the law and geography tell a different story.

Secondly, that's intracontinental, not intercontinental.


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5700 times:

haha, well said ConcordeBoy! It's still pretty cheesy we have alot of airports in the US claiming "international" on their tag. They may very well have a customs or whatever, but no flights out of the US.

AA777jr


25 ConcordeBoy : They may very well have a customs or whatever, but no flights out of the US. Most airports don't maintain their customs/immigration capabilities for n
26 Post contains images RobK : Rob, using that logic, flights from the US to Canada to Mexico would not be international, even though they cross boarders. Also, the UK is not a cont
27 Venezuela747 : PZO(Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela) is an international airport but they dont have any international flights. I believe they had flights to the US at one poi
28 PNEPilot : I they've upped the frequency a little, but not so long ago Allentown (ABE) & Harrisburg (MDT) were both "International" airports on the basis of one
29 Post contains images Iowaman : There are lots of smaller airports in MT, ND, MN, etc. that are international such as Cut Bank, MT (CTB). There even is an airport called Whetstone In
30 Flydc10 : Helo, I am a Student in ERAU in Daytona beach DAB and the name is DAytona beach INTERNATIONAL airport. And the only international flight there is, is
31 UA772IAD : As a Washingtonian I would consider DCA to be domestic only (although mwaa.com claims that AC serves them), compared to Dulles (IAD) and BWI, DCA is d
32 KAUST : AUS maybe "cheesy", but it IS beautiful. A very gorgeous building inside and out in my opinion. Now compare that to George Bush 'Intercontinental' Air
33 Iowaman : If customs are available at the airport, it's International. DCA is International because of Customs available and there is several Air Canada flights
34 Mariner : I believe that Funjet flies several charters from AUS to Mexico. And on November 7, Frontier starts scheduled service 3 x weekly AUS/CUN. cheers marin
35 Bill142 : Canberra airport has international status, although it has no scheduled international services. Since CBR is the capital of Australia it has internati
36 Aa777jr : Thanks for the compliments, my hometown airport AUS is rather nice! I agree though Bush is the worse airport. It's rather sad we don't have any intern
37 Luisde8cd : PZO(Puerto Ordaz, Venezuela) is an international airport but they dont have any international flights. I believe they had flights to the US at one poi
38 Post contains links TravisNC : This was also in the document posted by FATFlyer: http://www.faa.gov/arp/pdf/5000-5c.pdf 5. UNOFFICIALLY NAMED INTERNATIONAL AIRPORTS. In addition to
39 BR715-A1-30 : GPT USED to have international flights to Canada with C3000, but that was terminated. When we got that service, we changed the name from Gulfport Bilo
40 N1120a : Well, Cut Bank is an official international port of entry and probably gets a few Canadian GA planes that make their customs stop there. Beautiful pla
41 6thfreedom : LOL... The joke in Australia is that the only two airports that have 'International' in their title, don't actually have any scheduled international s
42 Venezuela747 : Hey Luis, Last time I was at PZO (2001) I dont recall any inmigration/DIEX offices. If you ahve been to the airport, its kinda divided in half, the we
43 Post contains images Andz : (2) The Attorney General as a port of entry for aliens arriving on such aircraft; how busy is Roswell International then?
44 SHUPirate1 : 6thfreedom-Let me get that straight...you're telling me that the CAPITAL of Australia does not receive a SINGLE international flight?
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