Asianguy767 From Singapore, joined Oct 2003, 263 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
I wonder why is it besides SYD & PER the other Aussies & Kiwi cities of BNE, MEL & AKL don't get non-stop flights from DXB but go through SIN or BKK? Won't that be a multiple stop trip for pax coming from Europe? That would make SQ, TG & MH to have one up on EK with pax from Europe going to these other cities jus 1 stop in their respective home bases.
TBA04 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 39 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2065 times:
I have heard the load on EK to AUS-NZ is about 30%. So i'm guessing this will have to rise before any direct routes are introduced. Then again EK do seem to be introducing new routes at quite a rapid rate recently!
Also many people fly EK because of the product that EK provide, rather than on a lowest fare possible basis... my thoughts anyway.
UA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 1858 times:
The main reason is because the main business traffic to and from Oz goes to SYD and MEL. That is where the passengers willing to pay higher fares go.
The other routes are primarily leisure routes, and therefore, passengers are willing to deal with a stop in SIN or elsewhere if it means a lower price. That's not to say that no business travellers fly to the other destinations, but the nonstops from DXB to Oz are designed to cater to the needs of high yield business travellers.
TG992 From New Zealand, joined Jan 2001, 2910 posts, RR: 11 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1641 times:
EK's overall load factors for trans-Tasman flights over the last two months have been 17% and 22%. The regional manager has said that they need a load factor of 40% to be profitable, taking into account cargo uplift, so they're still taking a bath, and apparently underestimated the competitive nous of QF and NZ.
I strongly doubt they'll drop any routes though - it's part of their overall plan, voiced by Maurice Flanagan, to "create supply and the demand will follow". If only my employer and other airlines had such a luxury!
Trolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1568 times:
MH non longer flies trans-tasman as all NZ to KL flights are direct.
EK has probably set itself up for scrutiny as it has a bold tasman network and specifically laid down a challenge to the established players with an agrressive marketing campaign to increase competition.
What I wonder about these load factor figures is that are they only for pax flying sectors NZ-Australia/v.v. or do they include pax flying sectors like AKL-DXB or AKL-DPS?
Aerokiwi From New Zealand, joined Jul 2000, 2410 posts, RR: 4 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 1561 times:
Ummm, those figures are surely wrong. Having worked at Auckland Airport and flown Thai several times, I can assure you that their flights are usually packed. Meanwhile, Malaysia's were usually 70-80% full and Garuda's were brimming too. That's why the airport's terminal is so packed when the 'Asian Rush' of airlines arrives at around midday each day.
So I seriously doubt those LF figures. Perhaps they are for passengers only travelling the Tasman and not onwards to Asia/Europe??
FXMD11 From Thailand, joined Aug 2004, 184 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 1548 times:
flights from DXB but go through SIN or BKK?
sorry, none of the flights towards OZ are coming through BKK. Only the flights to/from HKG ( as EK382/383) and to/from CGK (as EK 344/345).
However, I understand there will be a flight, starting March 2005, DXB-BKK-SYD. This will actually give some competition back in to market, since OA,AZ
and others ( LH long time ago) left this sector.
6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3267 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 1454 times:
Yes, that's correct.
EK will probably not launch DXB-LAX until it has the rights to operate AKL-DXB.
EK is a global carrier, and even in it's early days of operating to Australia, it was widely known that the ultimate ambition is to offer counter-rotating global services.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 1330 times:
EK loads out of AKL are generally low! I think though that is partly because of the 2-3 stops to Europe, when they start AKL-DXB non stop I think it will do quite well with quite a few pax mainly going to Europe.
As for the stats on other airlines flying the Tasman of the ones you have mentioned Thai certainly have alot higher load factor than that though I am unsure of how many of those pax are going through to BKK and Europe. Even Royal Brunei I thought had higher loads than that.
777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 11318 posts, RR: 17 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
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My source is from the CEO of EK in an interview with the New Zealand Herald. EKs CEO also says that his airline is seriously considering making AKL its 'down under' Hub, with even more EK flights from AKL to other places. Looks like AKL has a good future with EK
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5020 posts, RR: 12 Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 1275 times:
The reason why AKL does not get daily flights to DXB is basically because they have 3x daily flights here. There would never be a market for that much direct flights
Well considering they already have 3x daily flights to DXB, albeit 1 or 2 stops.
As for there not being a market, the only way they are going to get more European traffic is by flying AKL-DXB non stop which they will!
EK also plan to fly to NAN, EZE, NYC, SFO ex AKL, or should I say they would like to fly to these places ex AKL. While they want to be A RTW carrier I do question the point as to weather they should be allowed to fly to all those cities ex AKL. Mind you they may as well try and use NZ, with Goverment we have they won't say no.
UA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 1035 times:
I know that EK has previously stated that it does not want to join an alliance, but with the presence that they have in Oceania, and with their desire to build up more in this region, I could see Skyteam trying to do whatever is necessary to try and woo them since Skyteam has a huge gap to fill in this area, and could also use another Asian airline in addition to KE.