BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11141 posts, RR: 61 Posted (8 years 8 months 5 days ago) and read 5721 times:
Syrian Air is about to announce an order of seven aircraft.
Four of the planes will be medium-range with a capacity between 180 and 220, while the remaining three will be long-ranged aircraft with a capacity of 300 seats.
Flyssc From France, joined Aug 2003, 7313 posts, RR: 60 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5214 times:
Behramjee is right... This order should be a mix of A32X & A33X.
No need of the A340 for RB.
A fleet of A32X + A33X looks like very much MEA's fleet...
And don't forget the Regional airline that is planned, jointly operated by Lebanon and Syria to operate, first, flights between DAM & BEY, an later a real regional network.
The choice was initially for turboprop between the ATR42/72 and ANTONOV An-140.
I don't think the decision has been taken yet...
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11141 posts, RR: 61 Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 5182 times:
isn't Syrianair in shambles, financially?
Yes, they are currently going through a restructuring program to make themselves more efficient. This aircraft order is part of it.
Syrianair will have a very nice young fleet once they recieve these aircraft which will (supposidly) replace the B727s and B747SPs...
I wonder if they have any plans for their Yak 40s....does anyone know how many they have and when they got them?
I wonder what's going to happen to the TU-134s and TU-154s which have been sitting in Damascus Int'l (DAM) for several years now collecting dust...
Anyone know how many TU-134s and TU-154s they have and when they got them? I assume the 6 A320-200s that they recieved between 1998 and 1999 replaced them...
Regards
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
OD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 36 Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5026 times:
I think there is still a Tu-134 in service. The Tu-154s, I think a total of 3, are built in 1985 and have been in storage for at least 4 years now. Don't know the exact date.
My bet is also on Airbus (320/321/330) given the current political status between the US and Syria. The US recently imposed a "partial" economical ban on Syria.
FLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5006 times:
I read somewhere not long ago that the US has banned RB from landing anywhere in the US because of Syria's alleged support for terrorists. Don't know what to believe really, but I think that's still the situation. Overflights and government charters are still allowed, though.
GoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 8 Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4527 times:
BA,
any info on the number of passengers they carry?
Adding 6 + 7 aircrafts=13 aircrafts. Cyprus Airways, with all the tourists they receive each year and a pretty similar fleet 2x332 + 2x319 + 8x320 managed to lose $40m last year...
I think it's too much aircraft for them + training issues ! There is a real generation gap between Boeing of the 70's and airbuses of the 00's
EuroLeb From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4482 times:
They'd better place the order now before economic and political sanctions from the US and France (and ultimately the EU) become reality. Both the US and France have put forward a resolution asking Syria to stop supporting terrorism and withdraw its remaining troops from Lebanon immediately, while allowing Lebanon to take care its own (political) affairs.
Syrian Air and MEA working together??? I don't think so. The 2 airlines have different strategies, target markets and cost structures. Plus, it's just a matter of time before MEA becomes a private airline and a SkyTeam member...
I have a strong feeling that the order will be placed now in order to avoid the consequences of eminent US and EU sanctions!!!
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11141 posts, RR: 61 Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
OD720,
I am pretty sure all the TU-134s and TU-154s have been grounded even though one of the TU-134s was painted in the new Syrian paintscheme. Maybe it's a backup? Who knows...
Aviationfreak,
The Yak 40s are used on many of the domestic flights such as Deirezzor and Latakia. The TU-134s and TU-154s are not flying anymore.
GoMEA,
No idea on the passenger numbers.
EuroLeb,
They'd better place the order now before economic and political sanctions from the US and France (and ultimately the EU) become reality. Both the US and France have put forward a resolution asking Syria to stop supporting terrorism and withdraw its remaining troops from Lebanon immediately, while allowing Lebanon to take care its own (political) affairs.
I sincerely doubt France and the European Union will put sanctions on Syria. The US already has.
France and the EU will not go to that extent especially since relations between the EU and Syria overall are relatively good.
Syrian Air and MEA working together??? I don't think so. The 2 airlines have different strategies, target markets and cost structures. Plus, it's just a matter of time before MEA becomes a private airline and a SkyTeam member...
It was announced long ago that Syrian Air and MEA would be working together to create a regional airline to serve regional routes from both Damascus and Beirut. They finally launched the project a few months ago and will begin operations in March.
And actually they really don't target different markets. The Syria and Lebanon markets are quite similar. Both cater to serving their home markets. Cost structures are different yes, Syrianair right now is pretty inefficiently run, but that will be changing soon.
MEA becoming a private airline and a Skyteam does not mean they cannot cooperate with Syrianair.
Besides the MEA/Syrianair cooperation. The two countries, Lebanon and Syria agreed to waive the overflight fees of each other's national carrier over each other's airspace.
That means Syrianair gets to fly over Lebanese airspace without being charged overflight fees and MEA gets to fly over Syrian airspace without being charged overflight fees.
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
Jran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 8 Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4303 times:
Hey BA,
thanks for the news....although I'd hate to see the SPs get replaced. Anyway, I will be travelling to the UK next summer and plan to catch some SPs. Do you think RB will still be operating them at that time??
Regards,
-Omar S.
Never tell your girlfriend about all the 'action' you're getting at the airport - only photogs understand that.
Jacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 61 Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4007 times:
this is a point where our excellent govt. prevents U.S. companies from doing business......ie. cuba is another great example......."go Bush Regime, er..I mean Bush Govt........go".....
p.s.-i'm a lifelong republican, but I can't stand whats happening to our country and civil liberties with this govt.....
"Up the Irons!"
25 Flyssc: Euroleb, France voted the resolution at the U.N about Lebanon as it reflects the French position for years & years, but France will NEVER follow the U
26 BENNETT123: Clearly the US Govt position rules out Boeing, (which is a pity). Given that Airbus is the only alternative, (unless the order is split) we are looki
27 EuroLeb: If Syrian can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As I know, most Arrbus a
28 Codeshare: They'll go for Airbus. For political reasons, of course. And they already operate A320s. Don't other airlines in the region ? Royal Jordanian, MEA, El
29 Gilesdavies: Airbus are not necessarily the only option... How about the Tupelov 204, they are desperate to get a foreign order and middle east carriers have had s
30 Aviationfreak: Ok guys thank you very much for the information regarding the Syrian routes. Who knows I get lucky next summer. Best regards, Sander *saving this thre
31 BA: As for the French, they do mean business this time. Otherwise, why bother working on a UN resolution along the US against Syria? Britain also has show
32 NEXtime: I recently visited DAM and flew on the 747SP ex MAN. I asked a representative of Syrian A/L a few questions on the subject... The order almost certain
33 Alessandro: Why not some Il-96 instead of the B747?
34 EuroLeb: I said earlier: "If Syrian Air can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As
35 BA: I said earlier: "If Syrian Air can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As
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