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Syrian Air To Announce Aircraft Order  
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7489 times:

Syrian Air is about to announce an order of seven aircraft.

Four of the planes will be medium-range with a capacity between 180 and 220, while the remaining three will be long-ranged aircraft with a capacity of 300 seats.

The deal will be worth $500 million.

http://www.albawaba.com/headlines/TheNews.php3?sid=287049&lang=e&dir=business.

Sounds like they will be replacing the B727s and B747SPs.

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Syrianair also has a fleet of A320s which they acquired between 1998 and 1999.

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Syrian Air is the national carrier of the Syrian Arab Republic with a fleet of 6 B727-200 Advanced, 2 B747SPs, and 6 A320-200s.

They also have a couple Yak 40s which are used on domestic routes.

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They have at least one IL-76T freighter:

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They also have some Tupolev TU-154s and TU-134s, however, these have been stored for several years.

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It's good to see that Syria's national carrier is improving.

Regards


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
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User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7421 times:

Gee, I wonder who's gonna win this one Big grin.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 7371 times:

I strongly sense an Airbus 320 or 321 order.

For the larger aircraft Airbus 330 or 340. But most likely the A330.



MEA321
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 5 days ago) and read 7073 times:

so only IR can offer us a ride on a 747SP :-(

I'd rather go on IR than RB anyway

it would be nice to see 777 in Syrianair colours although of course that won't happen unless ma3lem el tani decides to boose some teeze  Smile



PARIS, FRANCE...THE BEIRUT OF EUROPE.
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4784 posts, RR: 43
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

From what BA has written concerning specific aircraft requirements of Syrian Air...most likely an A 321 + A 332 order indeed !!!  Big grin

User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6993 times:

isn't Syrianair in shambles, financially?


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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10735 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6986 times:

The SPs, as sweet and well-kept as they are, are 28 years old now. Indeed time to replacements.

User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6982 times:

Behramjee is right... This order should be a mix of A32X & A33X.
No need of the A340 for RB.

A fleet of A32X + A33X looks like very much MEA's fleet...

And don't forget the Regional airline that is planned, jointly operated by Lebanon and Syria to operate, first, flights between DAM & BEY, an later a real regional network.
The choice was initially for turboprop between the ATR42/72 and ANTONOV An-140.
I don't think the decision has been taken yet...

AN-140

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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 6950 times:

isn't Syrianair in shambles, financially?

Yes, they are currently going through a restructuring program to make themselves more efficient. This aircraft order is part of it.

Syrianair will have a very nice young fleet once they recieve these aircraft which will (supposidly) replace the B727s and B747SPs...

I wonder if they have any plans for their Yak 40s....does anyone know how many they have and when they got them?

I wonder what's going to happen to the TU-134s and TU-154s which have been sitting in Damascus Int'l (DAM) for several years now collecting dust...

Anyone know how many TU-134s and TU-154s they have and when they got them? I assume the 6 A320-200s that they recieved between 1998 and 1999 replaced them...

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

I think there is still a Tu-134 in service. The Tu-154s, I think a total of 3, are built in 1985 and have been in storage for at least 4 years now. Don't know the exact date.

My bet is also on Airbus (320/321/330) given the current political status between the US and Syria. The US recently imposed a "partial" economical ban on Syria.


User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6774 times:

I read somewhere not long ago that the US has banned RB from landing anywhere in the US because of Syria's alleged support for terrorists. Don't know what to believe really, but I think that's still the situation. Overflights and government charters are still allowed, though.


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User currently offlineAviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6723 times:

This is really interesting info.

Suppose I book a flight on their 747SP to Damascus. What routes do I have to fly from Damascus in order to get a flight on a 727, Yak40, Tu-134/154?

This could gonna be a fly classics and Russions holiday.  Big thumbs up




I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7412 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6663 times:

RB351 : DAM-BEY-TUN-CMN is operated by a B722
RB393 : DAM-RUH = B722
RB399 : DAM-RUH = B722
RB353 : DAM-ALG = B722
RB201 : DAM-CAI = B722
RB511 : DAM-KHI = B722
RB395 : DAM-KRT = B722


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User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1925 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

The DAM-Aleppo-EVN route is also on 727.

User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12566 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6381 times:
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I've regularly seen RB 727s at DOH as well.


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User currently offlineGoMEA From France, joined Jan 2004, 202 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

BA,

any info on the number of passengers they carry?

Adding 6 + 7 aircrafts=13 aircrafts. Cyprus Airways, with all the tourists they receive each year and a pretty similar fleet 2x332 + 2x319 + 8x320 managed to lose $40m last year...

I think it's too much aircraft for them + training issues ! There is a real generation gap between Boeing of the 70's and airbuses of the 00's  Smile




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User currently offlineEuroLeb From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 6250 times:

They'd better place the order now before economic and political sanctions from the US and France (and ultimately the EU) become reality. Both the US and France have put forward a resolution asking Syria to stop supporting terrorism and withdraw its remaining troops from Lebanon immediately, while allowing Lebanon to take care its own (political) affairs.

Syrian Air and MEA working together??? I don't think so. The 2 airlines have different strategies, target markets and cost structures. Plus, it's just a matter of time before MEA becomes a private airline and a SkyTeam member...

I have a strong feeling that the order will be placed now in order to avoid the consequences of eminent US and EU sanctions!!!

[Edited 2004-10-19 18:03:42]


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

although of course that won't happen unless ma3lem el tani decides to boose some teeze

lol, that made me laugh when I read it...but it'll never happen.

I guess the current A320s will complement the newer narrow bodies as they're too young to be replaced.

Horus




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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6106 times:

OD720,

I am pretty sure all the TU-134s and TU-154s have been grounded even though one of the TU-134s was painted in the new Syrian paintscheme. Maybe it's a backup? Who knows...

Aviationfreak,

The Yak 40s are used on many of the domestic flights such as Deirezzor and Latakia. The TU-134s and TU-154s are not flying anymore.

GoMEA,

No idea on the passenger numbers.

EuroLeb,

They'd better place the order now before economic and political sanctions from the US and France (and ultimately the EU) become reality. Both the US and France have put forward a resolution asking Syria to stop supporting terrorism and withdraw its remaining troops from Lebanon immediately, while allowing Lebanon to take care its own (political) affairs.

I sincerely doubt France and the European Union will put sanctions on Syria. The US already has.

France and the EU will not go to that extent especially since relations between the EU and Syria overall are relatively good.

Syrian Air and MEA working together??? I don't think so. The 2 airlines have different strategies, target markets and cost structures. Plus, it's just a matter of time before MEA becomes a private airline and a SkyTeam member...

It was announced long ago that Syrian Air and MEA would be working together to create a regional airline to serve regional routes from both Damascus and Beirut. They finally launched the project a few months ago and will begin operations in March.

And actually they really don't target different markets. The Syria and Lebanon markets are quite similar. Both cater to serving their home markets. Cost structures are different yes, Syrianair right now is pretty inefficiently run, but that will be changing soon.

MEA becoming a private airline and a Skyteam does not mean they cannot cooperate with Syrianair.

Besides the MEA/Syrianair cooperation. The two countries, Lebanon and Syria agreed to waive the overflight fees of each other's national carrier over each other's airspace.

That means Syrianair gets to fly over Lebanese airspace without being charged overflight fees and MEA gets to fly over Syrian airspace without being charged overflight fees.



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineJran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 7
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6071 times:

Hey BA,

thanks for the news....although I'd hate to see the SPs get replaced. Anyway, I will be travelling to the UK next summer and plan to catch some SPs. Do you think RB will still be operating them at that time??

Regards,
-Omar S.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 6017 times:

Jran225,

Yes, I think RB will still be operating the B747SPs next summer so you should be fine.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4512 posts, RR: 53
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

does RB operated 747SP's into Larnaca from Aleppo sometimes? Thought I saw a picture of it in the database...


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User currently offlineJran225 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 308 posts, RR: 7
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5932 times:

Hey BA,

thanks for the info....looks like I'll get some shots of the short guy afterall!! Smile/happy/getting dizzy Smile/happy/getting dizzy


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Long live the SP!! Smile

Regards,
-Omar S.



Never tell your girlfriend about all the 'action' you're getting at the airport - only photogs understand that.
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16253 posts, RR: 56
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5899 times:

I predict RR 332's and IAE 320/321's to minimize US content.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5775 times:

this is a point where our excellent govt. prevents U.S. companies from doing business......ie. cuba is another great example......."go Bush Regime, er..I mean Bush Govt........go".....  Yeah sure


p.s.-i'm a lifelong republican, but I can't stand whats happening to our country and civil liberties with this govt..... Angry



"Up the Irons!"
25 Flyssc : Euroleb, France voted the resolution at the U.N about Lebanon as it reflects the French position for years & years, but France will NEVER follow the U
26 BENNETT123 : Clearly the US Govt position rules out Boeing, (which is a pity). Given that Airbus is the only alternative, (unless the order is split) we are looki
27 EuroLeb : If Syrian can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As I know, most Arrbus a
28 Codeshare : They'll go for Airbus. For political reasons, of course. And they already operate A320s. Don't other airlines in the region ? Royal Jordanian, MEA, El
29 Post contains links and images Gilesdavies : Airbus are not necessarily the only option... How about the Tupelov 204, they are desperate to get a foreign order and middle east carriers have had s
30 Post contains images Aviationfreak : Ok guys thank you very much for the information regarding the Syrian routes. Who knows I get lucky next summer. Best regards, Sander *saving this thre
31 Post contains links BA : As for the French, they do mean business this time. Otherwise, why bother working on a UN resolution along the US against Syria? Britain also has show
32 Post contains links and images NEXtime : I recently visited DAM and flew on the 747SP ex MAN. I asked a representative of Syrian A/L a few questions on the subject... The order almost certain
33 Alessandro : Why not some Il-96 instead of the B747?
34 Post contains links EuroLeb : I said earlier: "If Syrian Air can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As
35 Post contains images BA : I said earlier: "If Syrian Air can order Airbus despite American sanctions, why can't Iran Air do it with the same kinds of sanctions then? As far As
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