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Aviacasa And Tikal Jets To Codeshare.  
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Posted (10 years 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 9218 times:



According to a radio show here in MEX, Aviacsa and Tikal Jets will start code-sharing in November. 6A will put put their code on Tikal Jets-operated flights from/to MEX and Tikal Jets will code-share on 6 6A routes out of MEX.

As I just heard it on the radio, probably I'm missing something, so if anyone can find a link to a press release or further information, please post it.

I think these are great news for 6A, and opens the possibility for much-rumored MTY-Central America flights in the future. (Apparently, and according to some fellow a.netters, MTY has a sizeable central american population.)

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User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 9171 times:

JoseMEX:

Despite you could say there is a sizeable Central America community in MTY, I would not count on that for establishing airlinks between MTY and Central America. On the contrary, I believe it is a large untapped market formed mainly by business and tourist traffic. I guess you could see some ethnic traffic but not as gross as the former two.

Moreover, I believe a daily ERJ flights to either SAL or PTY could prove very succesful to connect people to other Central American or South American cities.

I guess Tikal and Aviacsa codeshare agreement might become an experiment to measure this market.

PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9078 times:

Still, it would be sweet.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9036 times:

Its a reallity!

More to read here (Spanish): http://www.transportesxxi.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4631

Im glad finally Aviacsa is facing down and not only facing north like the rest! I also hope Azteca start charter flights to Costa Rica and Panamá! The market is everywhere and not only in the U.S.!

Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMitchell Gant From Montserrat, joined Aug 2000, 253 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 9033 times:

This raises an interesting point. Are there markets in Central America, or between Mexico and Central America, where the RJ aircraft would be well-suited for use? Only now are RJs starting to appear on the Latin scene, with AM taking delivery of ERJ-145's and Copa announcing the 90-seat order. What do you think?

User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

Mitchell Gant:

My imagination tells me that Monterrey can definitely support an RJ service to Panama City from COPA airlines. Monterrey's executives can use a good effective connecting point to their Central and South American interest. As a matter of fact, one of our A.net COPA insiders, has informed us that COPA is currently studying MTY.

 Smile LatinPlane



User currently offlineAdriaticus From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1137 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

<< Monterrey can definitely support an RJ service to Panama City from COPA airlines.>

I doubt a RJ would be fit for this service. Neither the ERJ 140 nor the 145 models (not even the LR versions) have the necessary range to make the 3000Km-long, 4:00+ hours hop. (The longer route over VOR's in the image below is just 09 minutes longer than the straight line).

The 37-seater ERJ 135 could probably make it (with what I estimate less than 20 minutes of flight to spare)... Dubious too.

The Bombardier CRJ-200LR, 700LR, and 900LR (50, 70 and 90 seats, respectively) certainly have the range... But, in all cases (Embraer and Bombardiers), it is way too long a long flight for such a small, claustrophobic cabin...


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I believe an EMB170-type of aircraft would be better suited to do the job.

Cheers,
__Ad.



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User currently offlineLatinPlane From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 2737 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8968 times:

Thanks Adriaticus,

I didn't mention the RJ that I (or, my imagination) was talking about, and to be precise, it was the Embraer 190, which is actually the plane that COPA just officially ordered. I was just asking Ghost77, if the -190 has the range to make it nonstop between PTY and MTY.  Big grin

Is the 190 still considered an RJ?

By the way, feel free to correct me, but my imagination also tells me that AeroLitoral should have waited and ordered the 170/190 instead of the -145s. This, to not just jump into regional jet service equipment, but to effectively fill the gap left by the DC-9s, (of which AM now does not have a proper substitute for) while also offering AM the benefit of the lower cost that AeroLitoral theoretically can offer, while targeting certain domestic/international segments where AM cannot properly compete to the likes of AeroCalifornia and Aviacsa because of their lower cost and smaller and better suited equipment. Of course, AeroLitoral can also order and add newer 170/190s to accomplish this, but this would be adding an extra type to their fleet, and this I consider not a good move for such a small airline: It won't do itself a favor by trying to be everything to everyone.

I've read that AeroLitoral is quite happy with the -145s, but are they only extremely effective to certain high yield business destinations, because quite apparently, certain others will not be able to support it and will continue to be flown with the turboprop based SAABs. I am now even thinking that perhaps, they could have even kept a few of the newer Metroliners (were they owned outright?) to serve certain destinations more effectively and even open ones that don't support the SAABs (idea taken from Pzurita1's thread) like Monclova, which as you know was recently closed.

I am no expert, and have no insight into AeroLitoral's well run business, but for the sake of conversation on Mexican aviation, what do you think?

Am I off? Sorry for deviating from the subject, "as usuall". Feel free to blast me, if you consider it proper.

 Smile LatinPlane



User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1393 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 8962 times:

Latin Plane,

YOur post was rather interesting. In order to keep this thread talking about Aviacsa and Tikal Jets, I have just started a new thread with your post (all credits given) under the name of Aerolitoral (Mexico) and Regional Jets.


Back to the topic,

I have heard rumors (and read them in Tikal Jets website) that they would be considering serving MTY from GUA.

When they were to launch their services to MEX, they also showed MTY as a future destination. ACA and CUN appeared as charter destinations as well.

So, if Tikal Jets has this aim in mind, it is very likely that they are testing the market through this codesharing with 6A. Which, by the way and correctly stated by Ghost77, 6A should also be looking south of the border for growth... I have always thought a TIJ-MTY-HAV 3x would be very succesful.


PZ



Next flight: IAH-DBX-MRU-ANT
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 week 5 days ago) and read 8900 times:

Has there been any confirmation on Aviacsa's side?


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 8864 times:

Has there been any confirmation on Aviacsa's side?

Nope. Aviacsa usually works hard but do it in a quiet way!

But here's a link for 13 articles related to the topic:

http://news.google.es/news?hl=es&ned=es&q=Aviacsa&btnG=Buscar+en+News


Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 8854 times:

Well if this is pulled off sucessfuly, a few friends in the Tecnologico de Monterrey will be very happy.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5224 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 8824 times:

Aer,

You think Tikal Jets could bring or has the possibilities to add an extra Dc9?

I was thinking the other day with this new 6A/WU codeshare, what if Aviacsa leases a B737-200 to WU to open new destinations in Central America and fly more pax to MEX via GUA. You think a GUA-PTY-GUA-MEX(operated by WU)-MTY (6A) could work? What other destinations you consider WU should fly to?


Ricardo APM




Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineCRAviation From Costa Rica, joined Oct 2004, 48 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 8796 times:

Hello, I would love to see more of Tikal in Central America. I believe this airline can bring some competition into the inter-Central American market, and in addition open another door for the flights to Mexico.

Saludos,

Andre



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User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8750 times:

Ricardo,

Tikal does have the possibilities to add more a/c to their fleet, in the new administration there are Guatemalan shareholders with the necessary capital, will they do it? I'm leaning towards a not in the near future. Tikal is trying to change it's model to a more or less LCC model, so they did release in a press article that their a/c are owned and not leased. This is why I think not in the near future, although they should because 3 DC-9's can only do so much.

As for the destinations, WU is trying to expand where ever they can since they cannot fly to the United States, which of course would be their biggest market. But I think that they should expand to Colombia (I had heard something but never followed it up), Dominican R., Panama, and if by a miracle: Canada. Mean while continue to lobby to the Guatemalan gov. to invest to raise the category of GUA because the new airport won’t happen any time soon.

On them leasing a 737 from 6A, well as I previously stated, they are trying to lower costs now that TACA has done it (I'm telling you this is the start of a nice price war) so I guess they wouln't, but hey if they offer it who knows.

To end (finally), the only think I have to critizise about their operations is that none of their flights connect at all. For example the MEX flight and the SAP flight don't connect at all; as well as the CUN, HAV, or BZE flights. I think they should really look into it because they are loosing market there.

Aer.



nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8737 times:

Andre, Tikal might expand to the rest in Central America, they have announced that by the end of the year they might open flights to SAL, PTY, and SJO. Pluss I heard that they are making runway tryouts for TGU (watch out for the volcano!!! <= If you have flown to TGU you'll know what I'm talking about jeje.)

But then again, son chapines, we say one thing and either we forget or we do the opposite, so who knows.

Franz.




nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
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