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AF To Send B777-300ER To Montreal (YUL) 2005  
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Effective summer 2005,

AF 344/345 will be operated by B777-300ER instead of the A340-300.

New York JFK will also receive the B777-300ER



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 6023 times:

Great news for YUL. Actually JFK already gets the AF 773.

So that means AF 772/773/744 each daily for YUL next summer Mark?



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5985 times:

What I see is AF345 - 773, AF347 - 744, AF349 - 332

A nice mix methinks!



User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Ya, I agree. A great mix!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbusfanYYZ From Canada, joined Oct 2002, 1433 posts, RR: 25
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5868 times:

I saw the AF773 in JFK over the weekend, impressive sight.
Sadly it was sent to 31L instead of 31R where I was, so no pics, arrrgh!

Cheers,
Kaz



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5817 times:

When do the 773ERs come to LAX? Also, will we still get our 744 service CDG-LAX-PPT and seasonally on one of the 777 frequencies?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5794 times:

Also, will we still get our 744 service CDG-LAX-PPT and seasonally on one of the 777 frequencies?

I sincerely doubt AF would make that flight 777 in the first place....


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5763 times:

You have a point Fred, but another question then about CDG-LAX-PPT. Will LAX-CDG pax be able to purchase Alizee tickets?


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 5670 times:

Will LAX-CDG pax be able to purchase Alizee tickets?

Depends on what configuration they decide to send:

One is 17C/57Y+/400Y

If you get that one, then yes, Alizée (which has thusfar eluded the USA market) will be offered



The other config is 40C/393Y, which will not offer it.


User currently offlineFlpuck6 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2122 posts, RR: 30
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 5432 times:

Definitely a nice hike in capacity for YUL.

This past summer they were consistently full on all three of their flights. It's quite amazing the traffic they have.

For the past two months, F-GITJ has been flying there. It's the 1st 744 configured at 40J 393Y. Revenue management must be studying it carefully.

But it makes sense that AT LEAST one 777 (one flight with a first class cabin)be flying to YUL among the other two flights which will have only two classes.



Bonjour Chef!
User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 5334 times:

I am guessing that LAX will get the 40C/393Y plane simply because 40 business class seats are not hard to fill from LAX


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User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 5274 times:

Wow, the 777-300ER! That'd be a first for Canada wouldn't it? (scheduled service I mean).

Any changes in store for YYZ? Perhaps back to the A330? I'm getting bored of seeing the same 'ol A343's.



I like British Airways! I'm not sure why, but I do! ;-)
User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 5200 times:

N120A,

"Alizée" Class is a "Premium Economy" offered only on flights to/from Indian Ocean & Carribean : PTP, FDF, PUJ, HAV, SDQ, CAY, SXM, RUN, MRU, TNR.

PPT is and will be served by a "classic" three class First/Business/Eco.

LAX will be served 10 x Weekly next winter :

1234567: AF062 - CDG.10:15AM ------ LAX.12:45PM = B744
--3-5-7 : AF070 - CDG.06:55PM ------ LAX.09:25PM = B744

AF070 continues to PPT.


To YUL, there will be "only" two Daily flights next winter...not three !

DAILY : CDG.01:15PM ------ YUL.03:00PM = AF344 - A343
DAILY : CDG.04:00PM ------ YUL.05:45PM = AF346 - B744


Ba777-236,

During the next winter season, the Daily CDG-YYZ-CDG will be ..... an A343 ! Sorry ... Sad


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5092 times:

FLYSSC,

In case you ever decided to read, we are talking about NEXT SUMMER... Summer 2005  Big grin



User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5162 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 5053 times:

When will the 773 come to IAH?


Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4929 times:

PPT is and will be served by a "classic" three class First/Business/Eco.



So wait, you're implying that they will then send the T7 to PPT?


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4890 times:

Fred is right. None of the 744s will have first, they will all be high density. Interesting that they are sending only 744s to LAX (cool for me), because this is a premium route, and no F class could be an issue. Also, when did AF move to T5 with Delta? I saw one of their 744s there and was shocked, as they had always been at Bradley


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User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

The First class will be removed from the B744, but they will receive two different configurations :

- For "Cassic" international destinations : 40J/393Y - F-GITJ is already in this config. (served YUL this summer)

- For the "Carribean/Indian Ocean" destinations : 17J Main deck front /57S "Alizée" Class- Upper deck / 400 M Main deck. F-GITA has just been modified and begins to operate to RUN.

If AF decides to keep the First Class to PPT, they will have to use the B772ER on this line.


FLYYUL,

The winter programm has not starded yet... but, yes, for next summer 2005 Three daily flights are schedulled to YUL : 1 x 772, 1 x 773, 1 x A332. But this is only a forecast...
AF tries to speed up the delivery of the B773ER, in order to accelrate the retirement of the remaining B742 & B743 because of the ever increasing price of oil... and the new destinations an also change : IAD was programmed and finally it's not. HKG was supposed to be the next in Asia, and finally it's PEK and SIN.
Everything is changing so fast in the aviation world... but I hope the B773ER will go to YUL !


User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4970 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4767 times:

FLYSSC,

AF will send the 773, 744, 332 to YUL summer 2005 as opposed to the 773, 772, 343


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4722 times:

PPT is and will be served by a "classic" three class First/Business/Eco.

If AF decides to keep the First Class to PPT




....make up your mind, which one is it  Insane


User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4634 times:

Air France operates 15 B744.

2 ( F-GITA & F-GITJ) are modified with the new cabin.

It will take quite long before ALL the fleet is modified.

PPT has NEVER been a destination served by the "COI" product (COI = CIO = Carribean Indian Ocean ). Not only the a/c config. is different on those flights, but also is the service on board, even in J.

If ever the First class is not be anymore proposed to PPT in a long term, the J/Y product offered will be the "Classic" Long haul AF product, like on CDG-YUL this summer, served by the B774 mofified F-GITJ (40J/393Y).

Is this clearer fo you ?  Insane


User currently offlineFlyssc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4617 times:

FLYYUL,

The summer 05 season will start on March 27th.

2 CDG-YUL should be operated until MAY 8th : AF344 (B773ER) & AF348(B772ER).

The third CDG-YUL should start on May 9th (AF346 = B744) .



User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4615 times:

Is this clearer fo you ?

...that you could have simply told us you didn't know instead of pretending to? Indeed it is.


User currently offlineIntheknow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

What a waste of the a/c range?

ITK


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4557 times:

not about range... it's about configuration (obviously, YUL has exceptional yields for AF).

25 Post contains images Intheknow : ConcordeBoy, Yeah but a 773 can have exactly the same layout inside as a 773ER as its exactly the same size. Making my point about the 'ER extra range
26 ConcordeBoy : Yes, but non-Asian airlines consider the A-market 777s to be a bad investment nowadays; as they don't have the range/payload capability to do the majo
27 Post contains images Flyssc : Well, about "pretending you know when you don't", I have to admit you are an expert... : talking about AF offering the "Alizée" Class on a PPT-LAX-CD
28 FLYYUL : Intheknow, Its part of the aircraft rotation. A 773ER might be sitting on the ground for a while after a HKGCDG flight, so they may rotate it to YUL a
29 Flpuck6 : ConcordeBoy and FLYYUL, I wouldn't pull the attitude with FLYSCC for his informations. At least he gets his information first-hand, seeing as he works
30 Flyssc : FLYYUL, You are probably right. That's one of the reasons why the B773er is used to JFK this winter. That's also the reason why so many different a/c
31 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : I have to admit you are an expert... : talking about AF offering the "Alizée" Class on a PPT-LAX-CDG flight ...course, had you actually bothered read
32 Flying Belgian : A colleague of mine who often goes to YUL with AF as non-rev told me their flights are very very full. I wonder Why AC doesn't operate an extra flight
33 Post contains images Mark_D. : Flying Belgian --I wonder Why AC doesn't operate an extra flight YUL-CDG. They sometimes have a second one, a few times a week during summertimes. But
34 Flpuck6 : YUL flights are consistently full, it's amazing! Yesterday the 744 (F-GITJ) left full-full, 40J 393Y, 6 lucky non-revs got cleared in Y. They're down
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