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CO 777 Emergency Landing Enroute NRT-IAH  
User currently offlineJoseMEX From Mexico, joined Oct 1999, 1539 posts, RR: 24
Posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18924 times:

A CO 777 enroute NRT-IAH has made an emergency landing in Cold Bay, Alaska, after developing engine trouble:


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2002066960_webemergencylanding19.html

[Edited 2004-10-19 22:08:08]

46 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 18516 times:

In 2001, Delta Flight 79 carrying 220 passengers and crew from Los Angeles to Tokyo also made an emergency landing at Cold Bay.


...I remember that.

Didn't DL do some'n special for the community, seeing as how it's people reportedly went above & beyond out-of-their-way to house/feed/assist the stranded pax?


User currently offlineVortex From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 18060 times:

Didn't CO recently have trouble on another 777?

User currently offlineLtbewr From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13072 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17941 times:

Mmmmm...another 777 with an engine problem, there have been several this year, like the UA flight that had to land in Yellowknife earlier this year. Is there a common flaw with the failing engines on these a/c?

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 17879 times:

Is there a common flaw with the failing engines on these a/c?

Sure is.... big flaw too.

That's precisely why this aircraft has the highest reliability rating, and most generous ETOPS allotment, of any commercial widebody ever produced.


User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3421 posts, RR: 42
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 17686 times:
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Ship 005 is the busted machine. Ship 010 is the replacement.
Info is the problem was low oil pressure indication.



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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 17434 times:

CO also made a 777 emergency landing on Midway Island a while back. Can't remeber the exact details, but I think it was a NRT-IAH flight.

It's been raised that while ETOPS may be safe and diversions rare, the automatic requirement, in an engine failure situation on a twin, to divert to the nearest safe airport could endanger passengers. In the polar or tropical island regions these diversion fields are often lesser eqipped in small communities. Finding enough safe housing passengers in extreme heat or cold climates is a real issue. Extreme temperatures could cause stress related fatalities for ill eqipped passengers like the elderly.



User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 6 days ago) and read 17282 times:

Making it to ANC would be no stretch of the 777s range with only one engine. Is this CO policy or FAA regulation to land the A/C at the nearest airport?
I would land the a/c at ANC. There are custom facilities and connections to get the passengers on their way.
Thanks,
SR



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User currently offlineCALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3929 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 17168 times:
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this is our policy to land at the nearest possible airport....


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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 16980 times:

>>>Is this CO policy or FAA regulation to land the A/C at the nearest airport?

Both. FAR 121.565(a) deals with twin-engined aircraft, and it is, of course, an airline's company policy to comply with FARs.

Section 121.565: Engine inoperative: Landing; reporting.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (b) of this section, whenever an engine of an airplane fails or whenever the rotation of an engine is stopped to prevent possible damage, the pilot in command shall land the airplane at the nearest suitable airport, in point of time, at which a safe landing can be made.

[Paragraph B deals with 3- and 4-engined aircraft, which can keep going to the destination if the PIC thinks that doing so is just as safe as landing at the nearest suitable airport.]

>>>I would land the a/c at ANC.

Then you'd be in violation of the company regs and FARs and have folks on your tail...  Big grin


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15837 times:

I have flown on a Continental 777 from IAH to NRT, and we had to do an emergency landing in Denver due to some old guy passing on two rows behind me. Aside from that, I wonder how it would be possible for this flight to use Midway Is. as an emergency airport, seeing as the route goes over Anchorage.


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User currently offlineTrolley Dolley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15653 times:

The details about the Midway divert would need to be checked. I remeber reading about it in Flight magazine and I've helped arrange travel for some NZ based ATC guys to keep facilities at some remote pacific islands open.

I know that SQ service operates SIN-LAX via the northern pacific route ie up the coast of Japan and over ANC, but coming back, to takes advantage of lighter head-winds, it operates a route closer to Hawaii, where Midway would be a diversion point. The same could have happened on the day CO had to divert there.


User currently offlineSunriseValley From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 4932 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 15589 times:


I have been told the problem with certain GE engines is that there is no way of inspecting a seal on a shaft right in the innards of the engine. If I understand correctly a failure of this seal causes the lubricating oil to be scavenged and the engine has to be shut down.
Apparently there is no tool / strobe available to look into the offending area to establish the condition of the offending part(s).
This is likely a simplistic explanation but I believe that it is essentially correct.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15473 times:

Guys, put some photos of the town in question up on the other thread.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1785192/

Yes, Delta did set up the town with a VHF phone system for their EMT people. I was just talking with the nurse out there the other day in the course of my work.......Apparently whomever spec'ed it out didn't get the right type of system for the town, so maybe CO will offer to upgrade it.


I don't want to denegrate DL's charity, it was a very nice thing to do, just wasn't the system the town should have asked for.



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User currently offlineBigblack From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 600 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 15267 times:

Damn. Glad all is okay


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User currently offlineSoaringadi From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 472 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14569 times:

*****"Is there a common flaw with the failing engines on these a/c? "****

Different airlines have planes w/ different brand engines.... so I guess there won't be a common flaw.

 Smile



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User currently offlineDc863 From Denmark, joined Jun 1999, 1558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 14439 times:

Cold Bay, I believe World Airways lost a DC-8-63 freighter that crashed into a mountain near there in 1973.

User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 14009 times:

Making it to ANC would be no stretch of the 777s range with only one engine. Is this CO policy or FAA regulation to land the A/C at the nearest airport?
I would land the a/c at ANC. There are custom facilities and connections to get the passengers on their way


I can guarantee you that this flight landing in CDB warranted the situation! Protocol dictates that there was a conference call going on, via sactom, between dispatch and maintenance control as well as a whole slew of other professionals well before they ALL decide that CDB was the safe place to go. ANC is quite a distance form CDB and you don't know were along the route this happened. So in response to your statement NO you would have not gone to ANC because getting the a/c on the gound safely and un-scathed becomes the priority in these situations



Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 13809 times:

AFAIK the general policy is to land ASAP, as the drivers do mostly not know, what caused the trouble, it could become worse.

ETOPS does not mean, to stretch the range in such a situation, but it means, how close it has to be to safe ground. Some people still think ETOPS was invented to stretch the range in case of engine failure... I hope on my several annual Atlnatic crossings, they go for safety and not for stretch, in case anything hapens.



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User currently offlineHPnonrev99 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 65 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13384 times:

I would land the a/c at ANC. There are custom facilities and connections to get the passengers on their way.

Maybe SR means if he was playing FlightSim he would go to ANC, but im sure if he was the PIC looking at a dead engine, and nothing but ocean around him, he'd be landing at CDB  Smile

As far as CDB is concerned, I think a 10415ft runway and no customs/immigration avail is a better option than pushing the aircraft another 600 miles to ANC!!



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 13326 times:

Cold Bay, I believe World Airways lost a DC-8-63 freighter that crashed into a mountain near there in 1973.


Correct, but the crash is acutally listed as King Cove since that is the village closest to the crash site.

It is up on MT Dutton which is on the other side of the bay.


Canadian lost a DC-4 back in the 1950's. I have stood on the outer wing panel of that aircraft.



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User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3421 posts, RR: 42
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12602 times:
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For the record, CO 6 is now airborn out of CDB via Ship 010. ETA IAH is 0730hrs 20Oct.
Should be interesting to see how long Ship 005 has to remain behind.
I also wonder if CDB had the equipment to transfer the baggage/cargo containers between the aircraft.



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User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12530 times:


BTW, how is ETOPS 330 progressing?

Is the FAA convinced yet ?

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2003/q4/nr_031015gq&a.html



User currently offlineArtsyman From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4745 posts, RR: 34
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 12446 times:

I'll be surprised if ship 5 is in CDB for more than 1 day

J


User currently offlineMr.BA From Singapore, joined Sep 2000, 3423 posts, RR: 22
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 12358 times:

I understand that a quad need not declare an emergency should one engine fail. Let's say if this happened to a quad would they have landed at ANC instead? Or most company SOPs would state land at the nearest possible airport?

Cheers.



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25 Adria : "That's precisely why this aircraft has the highest reliability rating, and most generous ETOPS allotment, of any commercial widebody ever produced."
26 Iahcsr : If the problem is similar to that of Ship 004 at Midway, I would agree. Just have to hope an engine change is not in order.. BTW, why are you still up
27 Post contains images Mr.BA : I think Trolley Dolley raised a very important and significant point. I looking for a suitable small island to land safely after an engine failure dur
28 Tjwgrr : Looks like the folks from that flight were in Cold Bay from 4:00 am to 9:55 pm- almost 18 hours! Also, luggage must have been left on the initial airc
29 Drerx7 : Adria--that is the most rediculous statement I've seen on a.net this week.
30 DesertJets : The previously mentioned Delta MD-11 made an emergency landing in Cold Bay in 2001, and it is most certainly not a twin. Twin, tri-jet, or quad when a
31 KEESJE : All said, the captain is in charge IMO there might be stronger sence of urgency in the cockpit to find to closest airport if you are flying on 1 engin
32 Homer71 : Concerning the CO flight that landed at Midway, it was CO 6 NRT-IAH and, if I remember, it was an oil leak problem. But with that one, they didn't sen
33 L-188 : Also, luggage must have been left on the initial aircraft- I'm sure Cold Bay doesn't have the necessary GSE to off load and reload a 777 Where there i
34 ScottB : "Events like that show that the statement "4 engines 4 long-haul" is 100% correct" Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a
35 Spacecadet : Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a fire in the cargo hold) on a quad and you're 5 or 6 hours from the nearest safe di
36 Post contains images Hz747300 : maybe CO should have kept their A343's. I never hear of engine troubles on those... Just kiddin'
37 Daumueller : Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a fire in the cargo hold) on a quad and you're 5 or 6 hours from the nearest safe di
38 Airbazar : Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a fire in the cargo hold) on a quad and you're 5 or 6 hours from the nearest safe di
39 L-188 : Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a fire in the cargo hold) on a quad and you're 5 or 6 hours from the nearest safe di
40 Hardkor : I realize how safe and reliable the 777 is, but what's the ratio of the numbers of them flying compared to the 767? It seems that there are a lot more
41 Trolley Dolley : Spacecadet and Danmueller, there are southern ocean routes 5-6 hours from an airport eg AKL-EZE or SYD-JNB. Pre Sept 11th I was in the cockpit mid-fli
42 Adria : "Well, what're you going to do if there's smoke in the cockpit (or a fire in the cargo hold) on a quad and you're 5 or 6 hours from the nearest safe d
43 L-188 : what are you going to do if a dual engine failure happens on a 777 ETOPS 330 flightM Probably the same thing Air Transat did. Thank god the Azores are
44 AR385 : All these scenarios miss the point. If a quad, a triple, a twin, a sixth or a twelve for that matter have a fire 5 or 6 hours from a suitable airport,
45 Post contains links and images L-188 : In case anybody was wonder that is the aircraft in question on the ground in CDB, from the ADN story in the paper. Judging from the shot it looks lik
46 Post contains images Cospn : Great Job of the CO 777 !!!!!!!!!1 PUT IT ON THE GROUND FIRST.... Then Figure out the Problem...
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