FJWH From Netherlands, joined May 2004, 968 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2219 times:
AMS and LHR are both one of the biggest airports in Europe and I believe some time ago we had thread about both airports and their expansion.
Can somebody give an update about the future of these great airports concercing expansion?
(possible new runways?, more traffic? etc, you name it)
Thanks,
Fox Julliet Wiskey Hotel
FlightS in the next 3 months: MSP, PHX, MEM, NCE, TFS, BCN. All round trips from AMS
MauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2477 posts, RR: 28 Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2180 times:
AMS is expanding its gates and building a new part (8 gates?) and around 2008 they are planning to 2x the cargo capicity and a runway next to 24, also a new station building is planned, wich wil 1,6x boost up the passengers capicity
Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 45 Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2097 times:
My company recently got a memo concerning expansion plans. I copied the memo and tent to share it in a new topic but here is a sneak peak:
AMS is anticipating LCC growth wich is expected to be aprox. 15% anualy (without Basiqair). Therefore the current H-remote stands will dissapear and will have an H-pier connected to G-pier instead. This will be a no frills pier only for handling LCC's. No moving walkways, escelators and facilities to stay or whatsoever. It will have the same concept like LTN has. This pier will have 7 gates eventualy wich is not enough for clustering all LCC flights in my opinion. Most LCC flights are currently clustered at D-pier.
First phase; 5 gates in october 2005
second phase; 2 gates in april 2006
The memo also said there will be no J-pier and no People mover due to 9/11, Sars and Iraq.
Hope this helps,
Sander
I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
Wheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2036 times:
According to the white paper published earlier this year by the British Government concerning air travel in south east England, Heathrow is scheduled to have a third runway positioned to the north of the airport and paralell with the existing two, however this would not be until 2012 at the earliest and will no doubt be much later.
There is also mention of a sixth terminal though at what date I am not sure.
I don't know the exact link but if you log onto the Department of Transport website for the British Government you should be able to find it on there somewhere.
Aviationfreak From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1166 posts, RR: 45 Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 1748 times:
Despite the high airport costs AMS attracts quite a few LCC's. My company yet alone handles 32 loco flights a day; Easyjet, Jet2, Thompson Fly and Virgin Express.
And than we have Helvetic, SkyEurope, EUjet, BMIbaby and Smart Wings and Basiqair. Quite a few flights all together. That's why I think 7 added gates for clustering all LCC's (Basiqair not counted as they will probably continue to use HV gates) isn't enough.
Currently AMS is extending terminal 3 and building new baggage handling facilities between B-pier and C-pier. I'm not sure yet but it looks like an extension of the terminal building is going to be built on top of it. At the moment there is only a walkway between those 2 piers.
Maurice, where did you get that info?
Years ago I saw a mock-up in one of the terminals which showed AMS with all the expansion completed. It showed a satellite J-pier across the A4 motorway connected with terminal 3 by a little mono-rail similar like the KUL concept and a lot of new cargo facilities on the other side of the current ones alongside 06-24. Anyone knows were this mock up has gone? The mock-up didn't show a second 06-24 BTW.
I've heard this plans are on hold because of the downturn in aviation last years and that's also what I have understand from the memo I received about the plans for a H-pier.
But this plans will come to realisation someday. When this comes true and a second 06-24 will also be there AMS wil be an "amazing" HUUUUUGE airport!!
What I've also heard, only heard so I'm not sure is that there are long term plans for an A-pier with an extension of the terminal building in the direction of the current KLM cargo and catering facilities. That would mean this facilities and the commuter ramp will have to move then.
I'll gather more information and ask some colleagues with inside information tomorrow.
Sander
I love both Airbus and Boeing as much as I love aviation!
Hotje From Netherlands, joined Jul 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 1701 times:
AMS is already a huge airport. Compared to the 2 runways available at Heathrow, AMS already has 6 active runways (with 1 smaller, but I've seen DC-10 landing on it). Needless to say there is a tad of overcapacity (although a lot of Runways at AMS are used for 1-way traffic only. Example No landing on 18L or takeoff on 18R.
My personal opinion is that AMS expands in a inapropriate way. Enough exaples of non prefered runway use in perfectly clear conditions.
As far as the AMS expansion concerned, I've seen pictures of the mockup and drawings somewhere on the web. When I find the time, I'll try to look 'em up and post them.
LifelinerOne From Netherlands, joined Nov 2003, 1881 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 1517 times:
know what you mean, there isn't a real logic in how they use the runways.
In fact there is. Dutch ATC (LVNL) first of all looks at the best runways concerning the weather and other circumstances (like maintenace etc).
On the other hand, each runway has it's maximum capacity per year for noice if I recall correctly. The LVNL will try to devide the flights on all the available runways in order not to run out on capacity on a single runway.
This once happened with runway 09-27, which is used for landings on 27 when very strong western winds occur. They used up this capacity early October (I think) and Schiphol wasn't allowed to use the runway anymore.
Problems rised quickly, as in Holland, most of the time, the wind blows from the west... I thought the government quickly gave them permission to use the runway.
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