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AC Bringing Back 2 B767-200ER From Desert  
User currently offlineAirbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13441 times:

I just saw 2 days ago on our maintenance schedule, that AC is bringing out of retirement 2 Boeing 767-200ER, which are respectively B767-233ER C-GAVC fin 611 and B767-209ER C-FVNM fin 621. These aircraft are both due for a H-03 check, which takes about 45 to 50 days each, and the first one should be starting on October 31st, so the first one should be flying around December/January. We all tought the 762's were gone for good, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC.... I will try to get more info on these aircraft as soon as possible (why they are taking them out, how they will be configured, and what routes will be served).

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User currently offlineMartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13348 times:

That is funny... they retire B74E's for 762ER's..... even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings?

, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC....

What else can you expect but more ERRors  Laugh out loud

Cheers



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User currently offlineLY744 From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 5536 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13274 times:

How does the 762ER look different than a regular 762?


LY744.



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User currently offlineMD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13247 times:

Grrreat news for us 762 lovers! Expect to see them RTS in the new livery after their heavy check...

~ even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... ~
 Insane



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User currently offlineAllee From Canada, joined Jun 1999, 483 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 13127 times:

Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings

The -200s never wore Canadian titles.


User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13060 times:

Damn ugly ER planes!  Big grin

Good to see AC bringing back some more wide bodies, as they could definitely use the extra capacity.

Quick question: Out of all the 200's that AC ordered, how many of them are ER's?



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2444 posts, RR: 31
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13020 times:

Too bad they aren't keeping the pretty planes that don't meet their business needs and bringing out more ugly ones that do .... tsk tsk AC...

 Laugh out loud



You can't fix stupid.... - Ron White
User currently offlineAirbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 13008 times:

10 B767-233 (601 to 610)
2 B767-275 (671-672)
2 B767-209ER (621-622)
9 B767-233ER (611 to 619)

For now, only 3 B767-233 (601-602-604), 1 B767-275 (672), 1 B767-209ER (622) and 7 B767-233ER (613 to 619) are still flying, then add another 233ER (611) soon and the other 209ER (621).

[Edited 2004-10-21 04:35:40]

User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12928 times:

Thanks for the update Mr. Airbus!


"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12818 times:

A little birdy whispered something in Portuguese to me the other day, thinking Rio or maybe Lisbon for these acft. Rio fits in more with the South American strategy of late.

User currently offlineCaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 55
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 12759 times:

As much as I'd love to see Lisbon, and the pax levels are there, I think there is enough capacity with Sata and Air Transat flying between Canada and Portugal. Add Skyservice flights to Faro and Air Canada would have to accept low yields, which is hardly the strategy it should take with a shortage of long-haul aircraft.

Rio would be interesting, and eventhough I don't have any idea how much O&D traffic there might be between Toronto and Rio, it's surely a plausible rumour.



"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 12322 times:

The two planes being brought into service are the last of the 762ERs in the desert. Fin 612 C-GAVF was sold and is being used for parts.

L-1011 encore 2 next?  Smile


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 12092 times:

Highly unlikely these aircraft would be deployed on Rio or Lisbon. There are currently no 767-200ER's which are configured with Executive First seating. All existing aircraft are in a 36J/162Y layout, which are used for domestic/transborder/carribbean or seasonal overseas routes, where the forward cabin is utilized as "Super Comfort" or all economy class seating.

Consistent with other long haul South America routes, Rio would be designated with Executive First Seating, and there is no way they would configure 1 aircraft with the former 25J/152Y config.

Regarding Lisbon--was previously served in 1988 as AC884 YYZ-YMX-LIS-MAD, and Portugal being a notoriously low yielding route from Canada, highly unlikely AC would return, with SATA and Transat serving it.



Above and Beyond
User currently offline727200er From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 12075 times:

Always good to see more 767s at AC. MAybe we'll see an order for 7E7s to replace them with  Big grin


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User currently offlineDAL7001 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 65 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 12008 times:

Where were they stored? and how long have they been there?


KATL
User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 725 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11895 times:

"'Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings'

The -200s never wore Canadian titles."

That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.

When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.

CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.

Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.

So when merger proponents talk about "synergies" and all that merger jargon which really is bullsh*t, they really mean that large mergers cause chaos and a clash of cultures (not to mention great human grief from the job losses). And of course inflated costs from dealing with incompatible engine parts inventories, incompatible galley configurations, etc etc.

I still think that when any large enterprise thinks merger, they should think "Penn Central".

Sorry for the thread creep/rant.

Mike


User currently offlineLeelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 16 hours ago) and read 11819 times:

"Where were they stored? and how long have they been there?

I was at MHV in September and I counted 10 AC 762s on the airfield, five were in a good state of preservation, 4 kinda tattered, and 1 was being parted out (engines, nacelles, flight controls, and doors removed)


User currently offlineVoodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2074 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 11676 times:

L-1011 encore 2 next?

Maybe lease some NW DC-9s?  Smile



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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16248 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 14 hours ago) and read 11544 times:

The -200s never wore Canadian titles."

That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.

When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.

CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.

Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.


Here's some more Canadian 767 trivia. PWA actually ordered 4 762's in 1980 (with 2 options). This over-ambitious expansion was no doubt fueled by the Alberta oil boom in 1978-1981. The plan was to use them on a YYC-YLW-YVR routing several times a day. When the 1st 2 were delivered in 1983, Alberta was in deep recession. The other 2 were cancelled. The 2 767-275's were used on a number of routes including YWG-YQR-YYC-YVR-SEA none of which made sense for a 762. YYZ was visited on charter. The 762s were sold to AC in 1984 which were compatible with the rest of the AC 762 fleet.

CP Air meanwhile also ordered 4 GE 762's in 1980. This order was cancelled and converted to 733's in 1983-ish. Hence, there was almost some 767-217's!




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineAirbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 11 hours ago) and read 10274 times:

Even more trivia, these 2 B767-275 have a major difference with other b767-200 in AC's fleet, the forward cargo door on these 2 aircraft is smaller than on other B767's, it can only accommodate containers, no pallets....If any body knows why PWA ordered them with that feature, I would be interested in knowing why!!!

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9685 times:

Did they not have any 762s that didn't need the C checks stored? Or are they going to pull them out in Jan/Feb to join the 2 in mx now so they can beef up a great schedule for spring/summer?
SR



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User currently offlineWhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 782 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 10 hours ago) and read 9556 times:
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I think the smaller door was actually a standard feature on the B762. The large door was an option later when AC ordered their aircraft.

User currently offlineSANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 9 hours ago) and read 9134 times:

YEG to FRA here we come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6447 times:

Since these planes have been sitting in the desert and are due for an H-03 check, do you think we can expect these to be painted in the new scheme?

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6201 times:

Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation?

25 Laxintl : While not 100% sure, I believe one of the aircraft ferried over from the desert and parked at LAX for part of a day before flying out. Air Canada had
26 Hardiwv : Interesting your notes about AC's possibility to fly to GIG/Rio de Janeiro or LIS/Lisbon. Here are some comments about GIG: - AC increased flights YYZ
27 Accargo : Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation? One acft is currently in Everett Wash. getting it's H3 check
28 BigD : Do we have any idea whether or not these aircraft will be used for international serivces (i.e., outfitted with Executive First?) BigD
29 RCS763av : Maybe they will use them for BOG-YYZ? There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, fo
30 N1120a : Is the 762, non-ER Gimli Glider still flying?
31 Pictues : N1120a, yes the Gimbli Glider (604) is still flying
32 Post contains images FLYYUL : "There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, for a route that had never been operate
33 Post contains images CYLW : Anyone know the status of C-GAUW (608)? Is it still in the desert?? I had the pleasure of riding jump in this machine ( before Sept 11th of course )
34 Ktachiya : Is there any possibility that these 762ER's are going to be used for trans-pac routes out of YVR?
35 Post contains images LN-MOW : C-GAVC is now being worked on by Goodrich at Everett. Took this picture last Saturday.
36 EnviroTO : Thanks for the pic LN-MOW. They would have to paint this place to put it in service wouldn't they? Surely they aren't going to slap the AC logo and ma
37 RCS763av : Im getting this info from a friend who´s dad is a travel agent. Also, another frined few AC BOG-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-BOG and said that the plane was full both
38 FLYYUL : Travel agents dont know all that much... and one anecdotal experience is not enough to judge what the average load is.
39 Post contains images AirbusfanYYZ : Wait Marc, what about travel agent "George", MartinairYYZ's friend? LMAO Cheers, Kaz
40 Gmonney : Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?
41 ORDagent : Travel agents can get a good idea of the loads based on comparison of what the lowest fares that are published versus the fares that are actually avai
42 Accargo : Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?
43 YVRtoYYZ : AC 763s Business/Exec. are either 2-2-1 or 1-2-2 AC 762s Business/Exec. are 2-2-2 See for more info.
44 YVRtoYYZ : Will these "new" B762s have the new livery on the tail or keep the dark blue/black background on their tail as it remains in the above picture?
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