Airbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12649 times:
I just saw 2 days ago on our maintenance schedule, that AC is bringing out of retirement 2 Boeing 767-200ER, which are respectively B767-233ER C-GAVC fin 611 and B767-209ER C-FVNM fin 621. These aircraft are both due for a H-03 check, which takes about 45 to 50 days each, and the first one should be starting on October 31st, so the first one should be flying around December/January. We all tought the 762's were gone for good, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC.... I will try to get more info on these aircraft as soon as possible (why they are taking them out, how they will be configured, and what routes will be served).
MartinairYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 1209 posts, RR: 7 Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 12556 times:
That is funny... they retire B74E's for 762ER's..... even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings?
, its a bizarre change of mind, but then again it AC....
MD11LuxuryLinr From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1385 posts, RR: 16 Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12455 times:
Grrreat news for us 762 lovers! Expect to see them RTS in the new livery after their heavy check...
~ even though the ER version looks ugly, it might be what they need......... ~
Caution wake turbulence, you are following a heavy jet.
Cactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2380 posts, RR: 34 Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12228 times:
Too bad they aren't keeping the pretty planes that don't meet their business needs and bringing out more ugly ones that do .... tsk tsk AC...
Airbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 12216 times:
10 B767-233 (601 to 610)
2 B767-275 (671-672)
2 B767-209ER (621-622)
9 B767-233ER (611 to 619)
For now, only 3 B767-233 (601-602-604), 1 B767-275 (672), 1 B767-209ER (622) and 7 B767-233ER (613 to 619) are still flying, then add another 233ER (611) soon and the other 209ER (621).
Accargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8 Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 12026 times:
A little birdy whispered something in Portuguese to me the other day, thinking Rio or maybe Lisbon for these acft. Rio fits in more with the South American strategy of late.
CaptainGomes From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 6413 posts, RR: 58 Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11967 times:
As much as I'd love to see Lisbon, and the pax levels are there, I think there is enough capacity with Sata and Air Transat flying between Canada and Portugal. Add Skyservice flights to Faro and Air Canada would have to accept low yields, which is hardly the strategy it should take with a shortage of long-haul aircraft.
Rio would be interesting, and eventhough I don't have any idea how much O&D traffic there might be between Toronto and Rio, it's surely a plausible rumour.
"it's kind of like an Airbus, it's an engineering marvel, but there's no sense of passion" -- J. Clarkson re: Coxster
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 11300 times:
Highly unlikely these aircraft would be deployed on Rio or Lisbon. There are currently no 767-200ER's which are configured with Executive First seating. All existing aircraft are in a 36J/162Y layout, which are used for domestic/transborder/carribbean or seasonal overseas routes, where the forward cabin is utilized as "Super Comfort" or all economy class seating.
Consistent with other long haul South America routes, Rio would be designated with Executive First Seating, and there is no way they would configure 1 aircraft with the former 25J/152Y config.
Regarding Lisbon--was previously served in 1988 as AC884 YYZ-YMX-LIS-MAD, and Portugal being a notoriously low yielding route from Canada, highly unlikely AC would return, with SATA and Transat serving it.
BeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 708 posts, RR: 9 Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 11103 times:
"'Do either of them still have any "Canadi>n" markings'
The -200s never wore Canadian titles."
That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.
When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.
CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.
Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.
So when merger proponents talk about "synergies" and all that merger jargon which really is bullsh*t, they really mean that large mergers cause chaos and a clash of cultures (not to mention great human grief from the job losses). And of course inflated costs from dealing with incompatible engine parts inventories, incompatible galley configurations, etc etc.
I still think that when any large enterprise thinks merger, they should think "Penn Central".
Leelaw From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 11027 times:
"Where were they stored? and how long have they been there?
I was at MHV in September and I counted 10 AC 762s on the airfield, five were in a good state of preservation, 4 kinda tattered, and 1 was being parted out (engines, nacelles, flight controls, and doors removed)
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 10752 times:
The -200s never wore Canadian titles."
That is correct. Even though AC has/had 2 767-275s, those were ex-Pacific Western machines picked up early in the B767 days when PWA realized it overextended itself by ordering widebodies.
When PWA picked up Canadian Pacific, to become Canadian Airlines, the Boeing model designator -x75 was used from then on, instead of the CP designator -x17. Those two 767-275s were picked up by Air Canada prior to PWA's merger with CP.
CP on the other hand DID have a large collection of 767-300s, starting with its own dozen -375ERs, and a number of second-hand machines.
Of course at the time of the CP/AC merger, AC's 6 767-333ERs were PW powered (as are all of its 767-200s past and present). The ex-CP machines were of course, all GE powered.
Here's some more Canadian 767 trivia. PWA actually ordered 4 762's in 1980 (with 2 options). This over-ambitious expansion was no doubt fueled by the Alberta oil boom in 1978-1981. The plan was to use them on a YYC-YLW-YVR routing several times a day. When the 1st 2 were delivered in 1983, Alberta was in deep recession. The other 2 were cancelled. The 2 767-275's were used on a number of routes including YWG-YQR-YYC-YVR-SEA none of which made sense for a 762. YYZ was visited on charter. The 762s were sold to AC in 1984 which were compatible with the rest of the AC 762 fleet.
CP Air meanwhile also ordered 4 GE 762's in 1980. This order was cancelled and converted to 733's in 1983-ish. Hence, there was almost some 767-217's!
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Airbus340313x From Canada, joined Oct 2003, 61 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9482 times:
Even more trivia, these 2 B767-275 have a major difference with other b767-200 in AC's fleet, the forward cargo door on these 2 aircraft is smaller than on other B767's, it can only accommodate containers, no pallets....If any body knows why PWA ordered them with that feature, I would be interested in knowing why!!!
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8893 times:
Did they not have any 762s that didn't need the C checks stored? Or are they going to pull them out in Jan/Feb to join the 2 in mx now so they can beef up a great schedule for spring/summer?
SR
SANSCOTT744 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 95 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8342 times:
EnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 820 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5409 times:
Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation?
25 Laxintl: While not 100% sure, I believe one of the aircraft ferried over from the desert and parked at LAX for part of a day before flying out. Air Canada had
26 Hardiwv: Interesting your notes about AC's possibility to fly to GIG/Rio de Janeiro or LIS/Lisbon. Here are some comments about GIG: - AC increased flights YYZ
27 Accargo: Anyone know if these aircraft actually came out of the desert or was this misinformation? One acft is currently in Everett Wash. getting it's H3 check
28 BigD: Do we have any idea whether or not these aircraft will be used for international serivces (i.e., outfitted with Executive First?) BigD
29 RCS763av: Maybe they will use them for BOG-YYZ? There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, fo
30 N1120a: Is the 762, non-ER Gimli Glider still flying?
31 Pictues: N1120a, yes the Gimbli Glider (604) is still flying
32 FLYYUL: "There were plans to do this, plus their loads here in BOG are excellent, reported to be in the low 90s range, for a route that had never been operate
33 CYLW: Anyone know the status of C-GAUW (608)? Is it still in the desert?? I had the pleasure of riding jump in this machine ( before Sept 11th of course )
34 Ktachiya: Is there any possibility that these 762ER's are going to be used for trans-pac routes out of YVR?
35 LN-MOW: C-GAVC is now being worked on by Goodrich at Everett. Took this picture last Saturday.
36 EnviroTO: Thanks for the pic LN-MOW. They would have to paint this place to put it in service wouldn't they? Surely they aren't going to slap the AC logo and ma
37 RCS763av: Im getting this info from a friend who´s dad is a travel agent. Also, another frined few AC BOG-YYZ-YVR-YYZ-BOG and said that the plane was full both
38 FLYYUL: Travel agents dont know all that much... and one anecdotal experience is not enough to judge what the average load is.
39 AirbusfanYYZ: Wait Marc, what about travel agent "George", MartinairYYZ's friend? LMAO Cheers, Kaz
40 Gmonney: Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?
41 ORDagent: Travel agents can get a good idea of the loads based on comparison of what the lowest fares that are published versus the fares that are actually avai
42 Accargo: Anyone know the config of the 763's? I know the buss. class on the 762's are so so, but how about the rest of the 767 fleet, any three class layouts?
43 YVRtoYYZ: AC 763s Business/Exec. are either 2-2-1 or 1-2-2 AC 762s Business/Exec. are 2-2-2 See for more info.
44 YVRtoYYZ: Will these "new" B762s have the new livery on the tail or keep the dark blue/black background on their tail as it remains in the above picture?
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