Marambio From Argentina, joined Oct 2004, 1158 posts, RR: 27 Posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3449 times:
I just found this letter written by Southern Winds' Cristian Maggio, containing A4's fleet growth plans. It mentions the leasing of two 747-200s, confirming a rumour that had been going around for some months. They are supposed to have picked two British RR-powered 747-200s. I doubt those are from EAC, and would rather guess them to be ex-VS -219B, since they are quite young (82/83) and should have PTVs throughout the plane such as to compete with AR and IB on the same route, which offer superior equipment I'd say.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3298 times:
Depressing. Southern Winds has to be the most retrograde airline I know of. I know the crisis put an end to the days of the CRJs and Dash 8s, and the dreams of A340s, B737-NGs and B757s, but more recently it has been sad to see the 767s get leased-back in a 1 for the price of 2 deal, and the MD-11 plans go up in smoke too. Still, I guess it's better than nothing and the 747s would look very smart in (full) SW colours, but it's sad to see them in this sorry state. I've flown on them domestically and to Madrid, this year, and in spite of the beautiful stewardesses, excellent service and so on, you really sensed the airline was struggling, bordering desperate. I wish them the best.
By the way, what happened to the remaining ex-Lapa 732s? As far as I know, only LV-YGB is flying, soon to be rejoined by LV-YBS, but weren't the others supposed to fly again? And isn't LV-VGF (the one with its green tail protruding from a hangar at AEP) in mint condition? If so, why isn't it in service?
PIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3087 times:
Well you have to factor in the cost of precuring a new aircraft. The 747 is a great aircracft if you can fill it up. On cross atlantic routes to Madrid they shall do particularly well. Its a better deal compared to the leased Air Atlanta 767.
Indeed, they were costly for Southern Winds as they were having to pay both the pilots and the lease rates in US Dollars; no easy task with the devalued Argentine Peso.
Since February, SW has been flying a single 767 (LV-AIX), operated by Portuguese Euroatlantic Airways (not fully painted either), between EZE and MAD. Being Argentine-registered meant SW couldn't fly to MIA any longer due to CAT II restrictions; they now codeshare with AA once a week.
IF Southern Winds are able to lease a couple of 747s in time for the summer season, then they stand a good chance of seriously competing with AR and IB. At present, that's impossible, as AR sometimes has two 747 flights between EZE and MAD in the same day, and likewise, IB sometimes offers two A340-600 services. A 215-seat 767 operating the route 4 x weekly is the obvious loser. And on the plus side, the 747-200 is probably a better choice than the ex-Swiss MD-11s that SW were considering until last month. Inshallah, if SW actually receives the 747s, their bad luck will come to a long-awaited end.
PIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3011 times:
Thanks for the info.
So are CC-CML and CC-CEN still being operated by Air Atlanta or have they been sold altogether.
I would love to see a B747-200 in Southern Wind Colors. I dont think leasing a 747 is that good an option. South Wind should purchase them outright as that seems to be the more economical way to go and there are plenty of 747 trained crews in Argentina.
LVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 38 Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3006 times:
I'm 90% certain that said 767s are now owned by LAN. An aircraft leased from Air Atlanta usually retains its TF-registration (c.f. IB's 743s/744s), if I am not mistaken.
As for the 747s, for one thing, they would look better than AR's, and I'd go as far as to say they could be some of the smartest-looking 747s in the world. And you're right, especially given the age of the aircraft, buying them would probably make more sense. I'm sure they must be going for US$5-7 million apiece.