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Southern Winds To Get 742 And More 732s  
User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 25
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 4240 times:

Good day,

I just found this letter written by Southern Winds' Cristian Maggio, containing A4's fleet growth plans. It mentions the leasing of two 747-200s, confirming a rumour that had been going around for some months. They are supposed to have picked two British RR-powered 747-200s. I doubt those are from EAC, and would rather guess them to be ex-VS -219B, since they are quite young (82/83) and should have PTVs throughout the plane such as to compete with AR and IB on the same route, which offer superior equipment I'd say.

Here is the link for the complete letter, in Spanish (PDF format):
http://apla.org.ar/empresas/southernwinds/southernwinds.pdf

Saludos,
Marambio


Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo.
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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10746 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Maybe the 2 VS 742s parked since shortly after 9/11?

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4089 times:

Depressing. Southern Winds has to be the most retrograde airline I know of. I know the crisis put an end to the days of the CRJs and Dash 8s, and the dreams of A340s, B737-NGs and B757s, but more recently it has been sad to see the 767s get leased-back in a 1 for the price of 2 deal, and the MD-11 plans go up in smoke too. Still, I guess it's better than nothing and the 747s would look very smart in (full) SW colours, but it's sad to see them in this sorry state. I've flown on them domestically and to Madrid, this year, and in spite of the beautiful stewardesses, excellent service and so on, you really sensed the airline was struggling, bordering desperate. I wish them the best.

By the way, what happened to the remaining ex-Lapa 732s? As far as I know, only LV-YGB is flying, soon to be rejoined by LV-YBS, but weren't the others supposed to fly again? And isn't LV-VGF (the one with its green tail protruding from a hangar at AEP) in mint condition? If so, why isn't it in service?


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Saludos,

ZXV

Edit: Neither AR nor IB have PTVs throughout their planes. If SW's 747s will, they'll have the advantage...



[Edited 2004-10-21 19:39:18]


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User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4062 times:

I understand that older planes are cheap to get your hands on, but operating them must cost a fortune compared to newer types! Anyone knows what companies´ philosophy is behind this?

User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Well you have to factor in the cost of precuring a new aircraft. The 747 is a great aircracft if you can fill it up. On cross atlantic routes to Madrid they shall do particularly well. Its a better deal compared to the leased Air Atlanta 767.

User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3824 times:

Its too bad Argentina is still rated as category 2 by FAA safety assesment and Southern winds is foced to lease Air Atlanta 767s to operate to the U.S.

User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3832 times:

PIA747:

The two 767s leased from Air Atlanta (TF-ARA, ARB) were returned in March '04 and December '03 respectively:


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They now fly for LAN as CC-CML and CC-CEN:


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Indeed, they were costly for Southern Winds as they were having to pay both the pilots and the lease rates in US Dollars; no easy task with the devalued Argentine Peso.
Since February, SW has been flying a single 767 (LV-AIX), operated by Portuguese Euroatlantic Airways (not fully painted either), between EZE and MAD. Being Argentine-registered meant SW couldn't fly to MIA any longer due to CAT II restrictions; they now codeshare with AA once a week.


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IF Southern Winds are able to lease a couple of 747s in time for the summer season, then they stand a good chance of seriously competing with AR and IB. At present, that's impossible, as AR sometimes has two 747 flights between EZE and MAD in the same day, and likewise, IB sometimes offers two A340-600 services. A 215-seat 767 operating the route 4 x weekly is the obvious loser. And on the plus side, the 747-200 is probably a better choice than the ex-Swiss MD-11s that SW were considering until last month. Inshallah, if SW actually receives the 747s, their bad luck will come to a long-awaited end.

Regards,

ZXV




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User currently offlinePIA747 From Pakistan, joined Apr 2003, 624 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3802 times:

LVZXV,
Thanks for the info.

So are CC-CML and CC-CEN still being operated by Air Atlanta or have they been sold altogether.

I would love to see a B747-200 in Southern Wind Colors. I dont think leasing a 747 is that good an option. South Wind should purchase them outright as that seems to be the more economical way to go and there are plenty of 747 trained crews in Argentina.


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3797 times:

PIA747:

I'm 90% certain that said 767s are now owned by LAN. An aircraft leased from Air Atlanta usually retains its TF-registration (c.f. IB's 743s/744s), if I am not mistaken.
As for the 747s, for one thing, they would look better than AR's, and I'd go as far as to say they could be some of the smartest-looking 747s in the world. And you're right, especially given the age of the aircraft, buying them would probably make more sense. I'm sure they must be going for US$5-7 million apiece.

Regards,

ZXV




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