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CO Plans Service To Hiroshima, Japan  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32878 posts, RR: 71
Posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6344 times:

Continental Micronesia is planning service to Hiroshima, Japan. They applied with DOT today to offer two weekly flights from Guam starting in April 2005, increasing to four in June 2005. Service would operate with 737-800s:

http://dms.dot.gov/search/document.cfm?documentid=301178&docketid=19471

While Continental is not the largest US carrier to Japan, they serve more Japanesse cities than any other US carrier. They currently offer service to Fukoka, Nagoya, Niigata, Okayama, Sapporo, Sendai, and Tokyo, all from Guam. They also offer Newark-Tokyo, Houston-Tokyo, and, soon, Honolulu-Nagoya.


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User currently offlineAAgent From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 560 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Wow!  Wow! Continental is on a roll. The rest of us are going to have to hurry to play catch up!

How many new international destination announcements has CO made in the last few weeks?



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User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6266 times:

Who is largest from the US to Japan? Thats 10 flights from the US to Japan albeit most are from GUM. I assume the largest is NW, but do they really have 10 flights from the US to Japan?


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User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6213 times:

Good to hear Continental is expanding in the Pacific. Hiroshima will be another one of the many cities Continental Micronesia serves from Guam.

A little off topic, but I noticed that Continental has discontinued GUM-KIX service, probably around a year ago, I wonder what the problem was with the flights...high landing fees? Guam flights seem to do very well in Japan with the many CO Micronesia flights and the handful of Japanese tourist flights there and KIX serves Japan's second largest city. Also, a little wishful thinking on my part, but I wonder how viable a flight to Okinawa from Guam would be...I believe Continental and Northwest flew that route in the early 1990s. Okinawa is not a very large area in population, but I wonder if the US Armed Forces' presence on the island could provide some demand as well as tourism. The former especially with the ending of the AMC (Air Mobility Command)'s discontinuation of the "Patriot Express" charters from the US to Kadena AFB. But a GUM flight would probably be more inconvenient and out of the way than going through KIX or NGO for passengers going to the mainland United States. Just thinking aloud...

DeltaMIA: I'd imagine Northwest would be the largest carrier to Japan. This would be measured in the number of passengers flown to/from Japan. While Continental offers many more destinations in Japan, those flights are mostly Continental Micronesia 737-800s and not all of those flights are daily. Continental does fly a couple of widebodies into Narita and there will be 767s going to Chubu next year.

[Edited 2004-10-22 04:44:04]


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User currently offlineCOAMiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6198 times:

What A/C does CO use from iah to their pacific hub?


If Continental had a hub at DFW with nonstop flights I would always fly them, unfortunantely good things take time.
User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6181 times:
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Great news for CoMic.

COAMiG29,

I believe its the 767-400.

JBLUA320


User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2689 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6156 times:

CO has one flight that does IAH-GUM with a stop in HNL, Flight #1 on the westbound and #2 on the eastbound. As JBLUA320 said, it is with a 764.

What's frustrating is that there is no direct way for people to get to GUM from the US, unless you happen to live in Hawaii. Therefore, these new routes cater almost entirely to the Japanese market. No person that respects their time and sanity will do IAH-HNL-GUM-HRO just to stick with CO. A connection with UA or NW through NRT would make much more sense.

Now if CO were to start EWR or IAH to GUM nonstop, that could change a lot of things, but there isn't the demand for it and CO just doens't have the equipment for those kind of flights.

[Edited 2004-10-22 04:48:37]

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6074 times:

No person that respects their time and sanity will do IAH-HNL-GUM-HRO just to stick with CO

Yeah they will. People do it all the time. Domestically it is done more frequently, but thanks to internet sites like Expedia.com people now spend all day traveling. I see routings all the time that have people go SAV DL ATL DL IND TZ MDW TZ SFO just to save $10. Granted international travel and domestic travel are on two different scales, but people will do what you propose just not 150 per day (or week for that matter).



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User currently offline777gk From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 1641 posts, RR: 18
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

We have served GUM-HIJ on a scheduled charter basis for a few years, it's not a surprise to a move to make this a regular service.

Kagoshima, Nakashibetsu, and Okinawa are other destinations we have served similarly, but the only place to which we have expressed operating scheduled service on a consistent basis is Hiroshima. Kagoshima is a possibility but I wouldn't look for it any time soon.

Okinawa has been on-and-off for years, but the fact that it is such a low-yield destination (vacation spot to vacation spot) and US military traffic is not nearly enough to support the route, it was dropped as aircraft were much better used elsewhere.

GUM-KIX was dropped due to aircraft availability issues and the high operating costs at Kansai. The service may be resumed at some point in the future but right now there are much more profitable routes for a 737-800 to be used on.


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26534 posts, RR: 75
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

There has been talk that there is a lot of demand for LAX-GUM nonstop. I was talking to a CO agent at LAX and they were saying that is the main reason it is so hard to non-rev back from HNL-LAX.


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User currently offlineDtwintlflyer From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 301 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5959 times:

Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category.

User currently offlineNjdevilsin03 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 730 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5790 times:

Could there ever be a ewr/iah-GUM non stop flight in the near future?


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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3489 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5734 times:

Wow! I didn't expect this odd service, CO is really surprising everyone. I'm quite interested to see how all of this plans out, and if indeed they continue serving all these new destinations.

Jeremy


User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5569 times:

Who is largest from the US to Japan? Thats 10 flights from the US to Japan albeit most are from GUM. I assume the largest is NW, but do they really have 10 flights from the US to Japan?

You tell me:


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That's just one airport at one time of day!

I just took a quick look at NWA's timetables; I'm not totally up on all my airport codes but it looks like about 15 daily flights from the US to NRT, 5-10 from the US to KIX, and 5-10 to NGO. It's hard to tell the exact number because they change some of their flight schedules every couple of weeks and all of the discontinuations and new flights are listed one after another on the timetable. But it's a lot of flights. Sometimes it seems like Northwest is the third major tenant at NRT - they've gotta be the biggest behind JAL and ANA, at least.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32878 posts, RR: 71
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5549 times:

I just took a quick look at NWA's timetables; I'm not totally up on all my airport codes but it looks like about 15 daily flights from the US to NRT, 5-10 from the US to KIX, and 5-10 to NGO.

They only operate one daily flight between the US and NGO, to DTW. Two daily flights between the US and Osaka, one each to Detroit and Honoulu. A a good number of daily flights from the US to Tokyo: Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Minneapolis, Honolulu, New York City, Guam, Saipan, and Detroit.

They operate a lot of intra-Asia service: Osaka-Taipei, Nagoya-Manila, Tokyo-Shanghai, Tokyo-Busan, etc., etc.



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3629 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5507 times:

They only operate one daily flight between the US and NGO, to DTW

I count three. Flight 6525 DTW-NGO, flight 1737 MNL-NGO, and flight 1490 SPN-NGO (Saipan is a US territory).

I must have been looking at the wrong column when I said 5-10, but it's still more than one flight from the US to Nagoya.

Two daily flights between the US and Osaka, one each to Detroit and Honoulu.

Yeah, I was looking at the column for Orlando! Sheesh, I think I just looked at the left-hand column for all the destinations I looked up in their pdf.

The Tokyo numbers are about right, though. It's pretty much non-stop NWA action at NRT. I count at least 15 (and I'm looking at the right column), with possibly two or three more, I don't know all these airport codes.



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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category

Hate to bust ya bubble buddy, but it saids Continental on the side of those micronesia based 767s and 737s and CO Mic is CO, meaning these adding of services do fall into CO adding service category.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5475 times:

"I count three. Flight 6525 DTW-NGO, flight 1737 MNL-NGO, and flight 1490 SPN-NGO (Saipan is a US territory)."

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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

Northwest is the 2nd largest carrier at Narita behind JAL and ahead of ANA.

User currently offlineCospn From Northern Mariana Islands, joined Oct 2001, 1621 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 5141 times:

KIX is well served by JAL in SPN and ANA in Guam so not much room for CO and I heard Airport fees at KIX we excessive even for Japan..We only have 9 737-800 's so droping KIX helped free up an Airplane another one is saved from GUM-SPN route taken over by Cape Air (Continental Connection)

User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4937 times:

>>Let's put that as CO Micronesia announces new service....I know they operate as part of CO, but they are an airline within an airline serving Asia from GUM and SPN. It is great CO is going to add new flights to cities in Europe, but this doesn't really fall into "CO adding service" category.<<


Incorrect.

CO Micronesia is not a separate division. CO Mike flight are CO flights - carry CO code and operate under CO's ops certificate I believe. CO Mike's financial results are also not broken out separately on CO's balance sheet.



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4907 times:

CO would be best advised not to call its first aircraft into Hiroshima the "Enola Gay"  Smokin cool


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User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 603 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

CO would be best advised not to call its first aircraft into Hiroshima the "Enola Gay"

Ha ha, Enola Gay with the golden tail.  Big grin



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16878 posts, RR: 51
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4569 times:

Braniff used to fly 747SPs from LAX to Guam nonstop, the flight continued on to Hong Kong (I believe). If CO were to initiate nonstop service from the Lower 48 to Guam it would most likely be via LAX or SFO, there's more demand for CAL Mic's Western Pacific destinations like Denspasar/Bali from the US West Coast than from the Mid-West or Mid-Atlantic States.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4377 times:

I thought CO did operate nonstop to Guam at one point...

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25 BigB : I thought CO did operate nonstop to Guam at one point... Nope, they alwats stopped at LAX or HNL before heading to guam
26 Ktachiya : Spacecadet Are you talking about (own flights) or code-share? Those two flight numbers look like code-share to me
27 Burnsie28 : I dont know where he got those flight numbers from but here it is: DTW-NGO is Flight 71 Departs 3:55p Arrives: 6:20p +1 NGO-MNL is Flight 71 Departs 7
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