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US Cities In Battle For New Airbus Factory  
User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 8430 times:

AMERICAN cities are clamouring to assemble a possible Airbus refuelling tanker for the US Air Force.

It would be the first Airbus plant outside Europe.

European Aeronautic, Defence & Space Company, which owns 80% of Airbus, plans to invest about £400m and hire 1,000 workers at a US plant if it, instead of its American rival Boeing, wins an order for up to 100 of the tankers.

Speaking at the opening of a new EADS helicopter plant in Mississippi, company co-chief executive Philippe Camus said: "We are receiving many, many signs of interest coming from many locations around the country."


http://iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200businessfarmingnews/tm_objectid=14785641&method=full&siteid=50061&headline=us-cities-in-battle-for-new-airbus-factory-name_page.html


How about Wichita?
http://www.kansas.com/mld/kansas/9998336.htm


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User currently offlineF4N From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 8055 times:

Keesje:

Rather misleading article headline, don't you think? "Battle" and "expressions of interest" hardly seem synonymous to me, especially considering that the tanker contract seems destined for nowhere at the moment. Both Lockheed-Martin and Northrup-Grumman have stated they are not interested in partnering with EADS in this, limiting EADS' possible options.

Regardless of the KA-330's technical merits, it will be difficult for them to win this contract unless they are prepared to make far more substantial investments than that already mentioned. An assembly line to modify "green" a/c built in Europe is nowhere near good enough for a contract potentially for 500+ frames and worth well over 20+ billion USD. If 100% industrial offsets are required to cover the acquisition costs of such a large number of non-productive capital items, EADS isn't even in the ballpark yet.

It will, however, be interesting to see how this plays out. While I have no issue with the USAF acquiring the KA-330, it should be done ONLY if it benefits the USAF, the US taxpayer and the US economy. Anything less is not worth it.

regards,

F4N


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7576 times:

In Phoenix, there's plenty of room for expansion to accomodate an Airbus factory. With America West soon becoming the 2nd-largest North American operator of Airbus, it only makes sense.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 7500 times:

Rather misleading article headline, don't you think? "Battle" and "expressions of interest" hardly seem synonymous to me

...yes, but it's also the title of the article.  Laugh out loud

[Edited 2004-10-25 02:04:06]

User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6324 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Maybe George Bush can brag about insourcing now?  Wink/being sarcastic

User currently offlineKim777fan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 510 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5513 times:

Actually, he could have before. On balance, the jobs created here by Foreign-owned corporations outnumber jobs done abroad for American-owned companies, resulting in a net insourcing. Airbus would be just one of many companies already here employing US workers.

User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

How much of the old Lockheed facility in Palmdale is left ? Does Lockheed/Martin still own the site ?

User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 5343 times:

That's golalisation for you Folks! Does that mean though that America is the 'new' cheap labour through immigration?

User currently offlineFlymia From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 7175 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 5212 times:

If this is true what about Miami? They already have a big training facility there.


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User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 5187 times:
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President Bush was giving a speech about how the the French are lazy and have little drive or imagination in business:

"They don't even have a word for 'entrepeneur' in French" said Mssr. Le President


User currently offlineGSPSPOT From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3037 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 4939 times:

In the Greenville/Spartanburg area, we have a high concentraction of European businesses either directly manufacturing (BMW, Bosch, Michelin) or having major distribution facilities. We also have an industrial area at Donaldson Center (former AFB) that currently has a Lockheed Martin facility for overhauling aircraft....


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User currently offlineORDagent From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 823 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 4795 times:

I don't think we will see Airbus tankers. With all the commotion about supposedly illegal subsidies this would make a HUGE target for protectionist polititions claiming we are selling out the U.S. industry to the Europeans.

User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 4725 times:

In Phoenix, there's plenty of room for expansion to accomodate an Airbus factory. With America West soon becoming the 2nd-largest North American operator of Airbus, it only makes sense.

Well America West is fourth in the North Americas with fleet size, NW is number one with 160 Airbuses, so a place like Detroit, Minneapolis, heck even Memphis would work if you want to look at carriers with large buses, NW has double the amount of buses that HP has, so more likely someone closer to NW hubs, would be more likely, hell, maybe even IND?



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 days ago) and read 4712 times:

Burnsie,

I was thinking the same thing...Look at Boeing's decision to move from SEA to the ORD area to be closer to UA and AA....NWA has the largest AirBus Fleet of US carriers, and it is growing and will continue to grow for many many years.

With UA and HP also AirBus operators, you would think that near the midwest or between midwest and Southwest would make sense!




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User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4502 times:

It all make sense because of the low US$, 7 year-low against my local currency.


User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7546 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 4472 times:

NWAFA-

NWA has the largest AirBus Fleet of US carriers, and it is growing and will continue to grow for many many years.

And only 5 behind the leader Air France, which NW will become the worlds largest Airbus operator next year.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

President Bush was giving a speech about how the the French are lazy and have little drive or imagination in business: "They don't even have a word for 'entrepeneur' in French" said Mssr. Le President

Is this true? very embarrasing for a head of state  Embarrassment parlement/ opposition would immidiately burn him/her down in Europe if a head of state says inmature things like this..

On the subject, good airline connections/ a coastal (east) location (transport) / good HR availability, low costs, etc would help IMO..

What are the best places on the east coast .. don´t know.

I love the Boston / New England area, is Portland an option?

Map Eastern USA:
http://www.boogey.com/Spring%20City%20Map%20East%20U.S%20-%20lg.jpg


User currently offlineUltrapig From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 585 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4338 times:
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Keesje-

Pardonez moi! It was a joke- the word "Entrepeneur" is itself a french work which has been borrowed into American/English!


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4306 times:

Look at Boeing's decision to move from SEA to the ORD area to be closer to UA and AA...

That is utter crap. BCAG is still headquartered in Seattle. The Boeing world headquarters moved to Chicago to be separate from and closer to each individual business unit.

It has absolutely nothing at all to do with being closer to UA and AA. AA is headquartered in Dallas, TX.

Business relations between UA, AA, and Boeing still take place with the BCAG in Seattle.

N


User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 4280 times:

Gigneil,

When Boeing announced they were moving offices to the ORD area I remember the press release saying the decision for CHI was to be closer to UA and AA.



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User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

It all make sense because of the low US$, 7 year-low against my local currency.
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You don't make long term moves like this because of currency fluctuations between industrialized countries. The currency market simply changes too much. This is just a signal by Airbus that they are serioius about building A330 tankers in the US if they get the deal. Airbus's salespeople are very aggressive and look at the long term potential of possible deals. It appears that Boieng is much weaker in this area.


User currently offlineAlessandro From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Surely the currencies fluktuate, but 30% loss in 3 years time against my local
currency in Europe, surely indicates it´s buyers market.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3960 times:

When Boeing announced they were moving offices to the ORD area I remember the press release saying the decision for CHI was to be closer to UA and AA.

You remember incorrectly.

The press release said absolutely nothing of the sort. In fact, such a mention would have been offensive to their 950 other customers, don't you think?

No sane business would be operated in that way.

N


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 23, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3939 times:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2001/q2/news_release_010510a.html

Just in case you wanted confirmation.

N


User currently offlineBH346 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3265 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (9 years 11 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3923 times:

The Wichita Eagle tends to be fairly critical of Boeing as of late. There has been an image of doom and gloom for Boeing Wichita. While it would be disappointing to see Boeing end its long presence in Wichita, having a subcontractor run the Boeing Wichita facilities could be better for our local economy in the long run if a solid company like GKN or Vought purhcases the plant. The future for Boeing seems to rest with subcontracting work. Look at St. Louis and the GKN plant, things seem to work out well.

While it would be nice to see Airbus create some new jobs around here, I don't think Wichita is a shoe-in. I think that there would be many other communities in the country that would offer very competitive deals for a large aircraft plant, if Airbus were to establish one in the United States. The Southwest and the South in particular are seeing some growth in aerospace and they could probably allow Airbus or anyone for that matter to take advantage of the lower taxes and costs that tend to be there as well as offering something to sweeten the deal. As someone who lives in Wichita, I think that diversifying the local economy is more important...the area is too dependent on aerospace, which has been demonstrated well with the recent economic downturn.



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