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Senator Schumer And Southwest/JetBlue  
User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3637 times:

With the approaching election New Yorkers are constantly hearing radio ads for Senator Schumer that (among other things) credit him with"bringing" Southwest and JetBlue to New York.

I assume this is at least 90% baloney, but is it 100%? Or if he did somehow induce WN/B6 to come to NY, how did he do it? What did he offer them?

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User currently offlineN771AN From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

Wherever there's a TV camera, there is Senator Schumer.

To his credit, he does fly Jetblue alot.


User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6791 posts, RR: 17
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3585 times:

Wasn't it the Senator that made/encouraged B6 to fly to BUF, ROC, ALB, and SYR (or whichever cities) in addition to JFK if B6 wanted to be based in NYC?


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User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3496 times:

So maybe he told B6 "You gotta fly to upstate or we won't let you into JFK"? But how could he keep them out?

User currently offlineTcttx From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3487 times:

Didn't he have something to do with JetBlue getting 75 or slots at (then-?)restricted JFK airport

User currently offlineWestindian425 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1024 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3302 times:

He may have played a role (in terms of B6), but I think that Pataki and Giuliani were the powerhouses.

I doubt he did much for Southwest. I think that the Suffolk county legislators and Pataki were more involved, but I could be wrong.

Neil



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User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3273 times:

Well, the did get an unpresidented amount of exception slots at JFK. I'm sure some strings were pulled somewhere. Who was to credit ? ? ? I don't know.
To me, I really couldn't care about B6 and WN. I fly full service carriers and WN has forced AA out of ISP.
I know the LCCs drop the fares but, for the majors to compete they cut services.
SR



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User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Senator Schumer has done a lot for the "Upstate Air rights" including bringing B6 to SYR, ROC, BUF, ALB at least 4x a day from JFK. It was a deal for B6 to get the slots at JFk at the time. Does anyone honestly think that B6 would fly an A320 to BUF, ROC, ALB and especially SYR that many times a day when they aren't flying even to Chicago? Senator Schumer was in ITH a few times this summer in a Cessna 414 w/ pilot and a few aides, nice guy, and boy does he love the camera! "Whats the most dangerous place in DC?" "Between Chuck Schumer and a Camera"-Matt in KITH

User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3189 times:

he may have had somethign to do with bringing B6 and WN to the NY area, but he's also one of the people that have tried diligently to get the the VFR corridor over the hudson river closed due to "security issues." as it stands, he's not getting my vote!


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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

He may have played a role (in terms of B6), but I think that Pataki and Giuliani were the powerhouses.
I doubt he did much for Southwest. I think that the Suffolk county legislators and Pataki were more involved, but I could be wrong.


State and county politicians made an effort to attract WN to ISP, but that's nothing usual. Politicians in many places all over the country try to bring WN to their local airports. WN ended up serving ISP because they figured (quite correctly, as it turned out) that it would be a lucrative market. Politicians had very little to do with the decision, not that it'll stop them from claiming credit  Smile



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User currently offlineJfklganyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3635 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3180 times:

In his defense--those slots were gotten for B6 in exchange for upstate ny and vermont.
He is on every first flight they flew to those cities.
He did work a lot with B6.

PJ


User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5644 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 3179 times:

To me, I really couldn't care about B6 and WN. I fly full service carriers and WN has forced AA out of ISP.
I know the LCCs drop the fares but, for the majors to compete they cut services.


You may have the financial resources to fly on full-fare carriers without thanking the LCC's for making air travel more affordable, or maybe your employer picks up the tab, but for many many people LCC's (and the lower fares they're forced the legacies to adopt) have made flying possible.



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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

We dont fly to ALB [yet], just JFK-BUF, ROC, SYR, and BTV

User currently offlineTimz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6903 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2934 times:

People keep mentioning slots at JFK. Does it have slots?

User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2865 times:

While Schumer did help B6 @ JFK, he had a lot of help from Pataki. The leverage they used the slots for was the ludicrous pricing structure in place from American Eagle who would charge up to $300 one way to Buffalo and Syracuse. I will not vote for old upChuck, But we all should thank him as well as Pataki for the low fares to upstate we now enjoy.


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User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2770 times:

I was gonna say, I didn't know we were flying to ALB...

Thought I had really missed something there... All in good time i guess, once we get the E190s we'll be all over the northeast!



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User currently offlineRichierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4298 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2735 times:

This is political season, guys! I've heard these ads too, and at least they are not the typical negative ads we always seem to see and hear in October.

Did Schumer actually bring JetBlue (and Southwest) to New York? Of course not. But he has long been an advocate of bringing low airfares to upstate New York, which had very little 6 years ago. I believe Schumer was instrumental in getting slots for the fledgling JetBlue back in 1999 or 2000 - part of the deal was that B6 serve BUF, ROC and SYR within their first three years. I would say that has worked out well for both parties.

I'm not going to get on the guy because he is tooting his own horn a little. Sure, the ad does not tell the whole tale but it is not inaccurate either. Frankly, I hear more frequent inaccuracies in a normal Continental ad.



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User currently offlineNomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 444 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2553 times:

I can't wait for B6 to start service to Albany. We have lost all American Eagle flights to JFK, in fact there is no one flying ALB JFK now. Jet Blue will give us in the Capital District more connection options in addition to those available now on other carriers through EWR and LGA. We can even hope that there will be a few ptp routs that overfly JFK.

User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2528 times:

On a related note, who is running against Schumer? And who is winning in polls?

User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7558 posts, RR: 23
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2508 times:

Wasn't WN already in ISP before Schumer was elected in '98?


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