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Angola In Talk W/ Boeing For 9 Aircrafts  
User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2867 times:

BUSINESS REPORT
Angola in talks with Boeing for aircraft
http://www.busrep.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=&fArticleId=2273087

October 25, 2004

By Antony Sguazzin


Johannesburg - Boeing, the world's second-biggest maker of commercial aircraft, was in talks with Angola over the sale of nine passenger planes for the country's TAAG airline, the Angolan industry ministry said yesterday.

Talks on the transaction started in May, when Angolan president Jose Eduardo dos Santos visited the US.

"Should negotiations come to a successful conclusion, the Angolan airline will order the planes in 2005," the ministry said.

"The models to be acquired include six 737-700s and three 777s."

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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2808 times:

Does TAAG still fly to Havana? what is their route structure like?

User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2799 times:

Interesting. As far as I know their current widebody fleet consists of 2 B743s for flights between LAD and LIS (3 weekly), JNB (3 weekly), CDG (1 weekly) and GIG (1 weekly). As far as narrow bodies go, I think they have a couple of B732s for domestic and regional West and East African operations into WDH, FIH, PNR and HRE. So, I wonder what's their plan with all of the additional capacity as a result of this potential purchase of new planes?



User currently offlineTransPac From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 108 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2691 times:

What's the economic situation like in Angola? Last I heard it was pretty lukewarm but things can change quickly for better or worse in such developing countries. Is Angola really in a position to undertake this large(relatively speaking) order?Or are they just being err..overly ambitious?

--Paddy


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2664 times:

Interesting to note this development in TAAG. Oil business is always doing well in Angola, but for the overall economic situation nothing has really changed. I am still sceptic that TAAG would manage to acquire three 777 and six 737. On the other hand, TAAG may return the 747s, which are not cost-effective. I also read news that TAAG would increase flights to GIG.

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 5, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
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The B73Gs must be a replacement for the B732s. Glad to see another happy Boeing customer

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4794 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2613 times:

A very attractive livery...but why arent they talking to Airbus for A 343s and A 319s?

Though I would prefer a B 772ER + B 737-700 deal  Smile Big grin


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12192 posts, RR: 18
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2574 times:
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Behramjee

Maybe TAAG wants to stay with Boeing because they like their current Boeing fleet. I wonder if the B73Gs will have winglets


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

@Transpac
I was just in Angola last year. Things are not too bad consider all the revenue they generate from oil. plus all the UN money!
Very interesting to note that they have 2 terminals at the airport.
one for regular passengers and another one reserved for Esso-Mobil Only.
They always overbook their flight, so make sure you get to the airport early.
W



747SP
User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2514 times:


Ok lets not be cynical here.

Boeing = US Company

Houston/Luanda = Oil cities

Possible upcoming direct flights.

yeah, Airbus makes total sense  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

I say they go for 3 777s which they will use to Paris, GIG and maybe open London. They will use the 737's for intra africa flights and to Lisbon.

I can see 2 777s and maybe 4 737's.

TAAG should make a killing if the oil industry continues in its current fashion.

 Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineCV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2480 times:


Hi!

I must admit that TAAG keeps going with Boeing is almost natural. They've been operating Boeing since the beggining. But in the other way TAAG was always close to TAP in some moments of their life so I also expected that TAAG might change to Airbus also looking to his neighbour SAA, but Boeing is always good news! I think the match 737-700 / 777 is excelent but it would be crazy to see TAAG operating the 737-700 to LIS, that's non sense since TAAG is using the 747-300 LIS regulary. So in my point of view TAAG will use the 777 to Europe and Brazil and the 737-700 around Africa. With the huge amount of angolean emigrants in LIS those flights are always packed, I even think that TAAG might keep at least 1 747-300!
regards


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

If TAAG plans to acquire three 777s, it would not make sense to keep the 747s. They are too expensive to fly. My guess is that TAAG would use its new 777s to LIS, GIG and CDG (or LON). Still, three 777s looks too much for TAAG's pocket!

On the other hand, taking account that fuel is not a problem for TAAG (as fuel price is so cheap in Angola), they may well keep one 747, and this could be used for LIS. But they only serve LIS 3 x week, so would be better to increase flights and use smaller aircraft!

I think that TAAG plans for fleet renewal is a response to increasing competition in West Africa, with the planned launch of Virgin Nigeria, and increasing market penetration of SA.

RG operated flights to GIG-LAD, but the operations ceased since there were problems with RG crew in Luanda during the civil war. It would be great to see RG resume flights to LAD!

Currently, between Africa and Latin America, we have the following flights:

SA (codeshare with RG): JNB-GRU, daily;
VR (Cape Verde Airlines): SID (Praia Island)-FOR; 3 x week;
TAAG: LAD-GIG, 1 x week;

Hardi


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2255 times:

Currently, between Africa and Latin America, we have the following flights:

SA (codeshare with RG): JNB-GRU, daily;
VR (Cape Verde Airlines): SID (Praia Island)-FOR; 3 x week;
TAAG: LAD-GIG, 1 x week;


Add to that 2 weekly MH flights JNB-CPT-EZE with B74E.



User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10751 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2221 times:

The 732s are old stuff and certainly need replacements.
The 747-300s less so. For a country as poor as Angola, why should they replace 747s that are younger than 20 years. And why should they do that without playing Boeing against Airbus to save big money. Sounds odd.


User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2208 times:

HB-IWC:

Thanks for the reminder. Indeed, MH has 2 x week flights KUL-JNB-CPT-EZE, with the 747.

Na:

Well stated. However, Angola is a poor country with a very wealthy (selected) society swimming in oil! If they think that spending their money in an airline is priority, they will have plenty of money to do so! That's sad enough...as 95% of the "rest" of the population is in hunger...

Hardi


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1167 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

I believe there is some kind of weekly charter from Houston as well.
Angolo is not a poor country, it's just how the resources gets distributed.
I flew there 732 from Luanda to Windhoek as well and it feels like they are all flown by Cuban trained air force pilots.



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User currently offlinePhotoLPPT From Portugal, joined Jul 2004, 511 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2105 times:

This was in the news a couple of weeks ago, here in Portugal.

According to reports, the B777s would be used on the LIS, GIG and CDG routes. Also mentioned was the chance that one or maybe both B743s would be kept by TAAG and converted into freighters, on a would-be TAAG Cargo.

Cargo is a major part of the the revenue on the LIS flights. Besides general commerce, we have a big community of Angolan people here, and they are always sending thinks back and forth to their homeland.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Regards
Luis


User currently offlineLatinAviation From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1277 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2092 times:

I believe there is some kind of weekly charter from Houston as well.

It's a World Airways MD-11 chartered by Sonair, a division of Angola's oil ministry. They also fly Houston - Malabo, Equatorial Guinea (SSG).

As far as Angola, they are definitely reaping the rewards of high oil prices. It will be interesting to see what happens when they have fresh presidential elections in 2006 (1992 was the last election). But here is an overall sobering summary of Angola, as reported in the Economist last month:

The economy is booming, thanks to peace and high oil prices. GDP is expected to grow by 13% this year. Investors are spreading mobile-phone coverage to the provinces. Hydro-electric plants, commercial farms, breweries, domestic airlines and diamond mines are also opening. Inflation is down from quadruple figures in the mid-1990s to double digits. Food is more affordable for the poor.

Politicians in Luanda, the capital, say they are confident that life is improving, and that voters will recognise this. They point to new office buildings, low-cost housing, street lighting and South African fast-food chains in the city. But the slums are still awful, and the beggars still numerous. Riots broke out this year when police tried to close sprawling, unofficial markets.

The World Food Programme (WFP) says shifting food in peacetime Angola is five times more costly than in warring Sudan. Roads and bridges are in a terrible state, and the task of de-mining Angolan soil will take years. The WFP still feeds 1.1m Angolans, and has just cut rations by half after the government banned the import of genetically modified grain.

http://www.economist.com/displaystory.cfm?story_id=3158718



User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2049 times:

WAIT for it.....................


TAAG - newest member of Star Alliance!!

joke.

seems they are letting everyone into STAR these days. Only a matter of time  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2011 times:

I think they should show their intend to order the 7e7.

The livery will look great!

 Big grin


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4505 posts, RR: 72
Reply 20, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 1747 times:

I flew there 732 from Luanda to Windhoek as well and it felt like they were all flown by Cuban trained air force pilots.

They probably were...



User currently offlineDonder10 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 6660 posts, RR: 21
Reply 21, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 1664 times:

The current 743s are combis aren't they?How much cargo capacity would they lose replacing them with 772s?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 11 months 1 week 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 1655 times:

As they have cheap fuel available, does it make sense to replace the 747?
As said, they would also lose cargo capacity.

Hardi


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