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Philippine Airlines Reported To 'resume' India  
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 2 months 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

After 5 decades of absence, The Hindustan Times reports that PR is planning to start India again next year.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1074802,0002.htm

AFAIK there has been some bilateral negotiations, too, but does anyone have details?

I think the operations should be quite successful. Do they still fly to the West Coast? If yes, I could imagine them to get signicificant 6th freedom pax from there, offering cheaper prices..

At the same time, it is sad to see that AI and the GOI is still busy sorting out how to or not to order a/c, which could enable them too to operate the route..

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User currently offlineTrickijedi From United States of America, joined May 2001, 3266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 3258 times:

Great news.. I wonder if this could possibly spark some type of agreement with AI or even perhaps one of the many Indian domestic carriers that could shuttle PAL passengers to various domestic destinations.

PAL was the first international airline they saw there (In New Delhi)
Interesting. I never knew that.

Yes, PAL continues to serve LAX, SFO, YVR and LAS with their current route structure remaining intact. Any flights to India will originate from MNL and will probably be strictly a straightline route.

Meanwhile, I am looking forward to the results of government talks with Myanmar and Nepal.




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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 months 1 day ago) and read 3246 times:

wonder if this could possibly spark some type of agreement with AI or even perhaps one of the many Indian domestic carriers that could shuttle PAL passengers to various domestic destinations.

So far I don't know any arrangements of AI with other airlines in this regard - I wonder whether the policies of the GOI permit such arrangements. But I could imagine that AI codeshares on some PR flights, i.e. on those between India and Philippines and the corresponding ones to the USA, similar as AI does on TG, SQ, MH, OZ.. - AI is very clever in these questions  Wink/being sarcastic


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4852 posts, RR: 44
Reply 3, posted (10 years 2 months 20 hours ago) and read 3197 times:

Since this is a medium haul route consisting of a 7 hr nonstop flight to MNL, will an A 333 or A343 be used.

PR is probably a cheap airline to fly on fares wise and hence I expect them especially they fly nonstop MNL-DEL-MNL to pick up a lot of Y class pax bound for YVR-LAX-SFO. Indians based in LAS area will too benefit from this convienient link provided they hold documents enabling them to transit at YVR onboard PR without the need of a Canadian transit visa which CX pax need on the HKG-YVR-JFK route.

Plus if the visa policy for Indians is relaxed by MNL, the Phillippines may well turn into another Asian hotspot like KUL-BKK has with Indians who want to have cheap holidays receiving value for money as 4-5 star hotels and other stuff are relatively cheaply priced compared to HKG-SIN-NRT-ICN-PEK-PVG hotels.


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 2 months 19 hours ago) and read 3175 times:

Great news indeed.

This is the news that was suppose to have come out in April. They where saying then that either new flights to India, China or Europe.

India has a lot of potential for PR.

For sure we will see an A340-300 service on this route.

drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineDCAYOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 605 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 months 9 hours ago) and read 3056 times:

Do they have a spare A340/A330, where are they pulling this aircraft from?


Retorne ao céu...
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2968 times:

Nope, no spare equipment.

PAL did get an additional B744 last year, which I guess they will increase utilisation on, freeing up an A330/A340 for India.

They are also re-fleeting domestic with A320, meaning some domestic or regional sectors using A330 may use the new A320 instead..



User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2892 times:

They are also re-fleeting domestic with A320, meaning some domestic or regional sectors using A330 may use the new A320 instead..

Just curious.. wouldn't e A320 or A300 do in the beginning, till the route 'has become popular' instead of starting with an A330/340 in the beginning.. OK, I believe it could be horrible staying in this kind of a/c for the amount of time  Big grin


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Mrniji,

Well problem is they dont own any A300's at the moment.

6th freedom was right. With the 5th B747-4F6 they received last December has freed up some A330's that operated to Japan.

With this they can probably shuffle A330/340 around to get 3 to 4x weekly to DEL.

Drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offlineIflypal From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 69 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2815 times:

Heres a relatively easy way to schedule the flight without shuffling aircraft

Currently, PAL operates a daily 3:00pm flight to SIN (PR501?) from Manila. Four times a week, this flight continues onto Jakarta. On the remaining three days, we assume the aircraft pretty much sits idle in Singapore until departure the next morning. PR502 departs same time out of SIN every day (i.e arrives SIN around 8:00pm, does not depart SIN until around 9:00am the following day) Without any rearranging of aircraft, they could simply extend PR501 to Delhi on the days it doesnt continue onto to Jakarta. 4x a week, you get 10 hrs utilization (MNL-SIN 3h30m each way or 7h; SIN-JKT 1h30m); 3x a week, you get 18 hrs (MNL-SIN plus SIN-DEL 5h20m each way).

PR501 3x weekly, 18hrs utilization

MNL-SIN dep 1450 arr 1825; SIN-DEL dep 1925 2215
DEL-SIN dep 0030 arr 0840; SIN-MNL dep 940 1310

PR501 4x weekly, 10hrs utilization

MNL-SIN dep 1450 arr 1825; SIN-JKT dep 1930 arr 2000
JKT-SIN dep 0610 arr 0840; SIN-MNL dep 0940 arr 1310

Connections out of Manila include SEL,NRT,KIX,HKG,PUS,YVR,LAX,HNL,SFO.

SFO and LAX depart MNL at 2200 so its a looong wait....but thats what the free Manila tour is for!


User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1585 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2782 times:

IFLYPAL

wow, im impressed
This is great but....

We want flights from MNL-DEL not SIN-DEL. I doubt PR has even rights to pick up pax from SIN. Besides SIN-DEL is already well served, and PR wants DEL service to be direct if im not mistaken. Better for PAX.

drew



AMS-LAX-MNL
User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3339 posts, RR: 20
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2754 times:

yeah, i agree. good work iflypal.

KL808. i would assume PAL has full rights over SIN. just guessing, but not 100%.

I think the point that Iflypal was making is that while it's not ideal, one of the options PAL does have for flying into India without additional aircraft is by increasing current utilisation.

Everyone has so far mentioned DEL? Is there any reason PAL would choose to fly to DEL. What about BOM, BLR or MAA??
I understand that DEL has serious fog problems during ceratin times of the year. That would be a risk for PAL scheduling...




User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2717 times:

What about BOM, BLR or MAA??

They could do a burner with BLR.. all the IT professionals from the West Coast..

But my guess is DEL, too


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