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Virgin To Commence Mumbai Services From February 2  
User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3542 times:

Virgin Atlantic will inaugurate daily nonstop service between London Heathrow and Mumbai from February 2, 2004 - subject to UK government approval.

The airline has received clearance from the Indian DGCA and received slots from AAI that will enable them to commence flights as soon as the UK government designates them as a carrier on the route.

The proposed flight schedules are :

VS 350/351 (opb Airbus 340-300)
LHR d 2010
BOM a 1035+1 d 1520+1
LHR a 2000+1



32 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3507 times:

Does this that Virgin will stop flying to DEL.


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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3500 times:

Does this that Virgin will stop flying to DEL.

No, the 3x weekly services to DEL with Air India codeshare will continue until further notice.


User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3480 times:

Hmmmm.

Makes easy North American connections impossible.


User currently offlineLapper From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2002, 1568 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 3417 times:

It DOES make easy North American connections impossible, but at least the flight arrives into BOM at a decent hour. ALl the others get in between 0100 and 0400.



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 3370 times:

"ALl the others get in between 0100 and 0400."

Not really.
Most AI flights get in at between 11 pm. The customs and immigration at the AI terminal are actually very efficient. You can be out of Sahar and in South Bombay by half past midnight and asleep in bed by then if you're lucky.
I guess the Virgin flight is fine if you want to hang around T-3 for half a day east bound or spend the night in London on a westbound journey.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3268 times:

I guess that the main aim initially of the VS flights is the O&D traffic between London and BOM with the flight timings they are scheduled to get !!!

I wonder why these timings were given to them?

Nevertheless a v good move on VSs part though I would have prefered an A 346 instead of an A 343 due to the superior inflight product of the former which is very much needed to attract high yield Upper Class pax away from AI and BA on the LHR route.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 3255 times:



Great that they are starting these, but not really convenient for US traffic since the timings are odd. They don't even connect to the AM departures from New York to London. Although there is enough O&D traffic between LHR and BOM to support these flights.

cheers





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User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3149 times:

Windowseat, remember that slots at LHR are hard to come by.

Perhaps VS has not got access to slots that allow these connections.


User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3134 times:



Richard28,

LHR slots maybe hard to come by, sure, but if they wanted to move around they could. What I was saying is that they don't NEED the connecting traffic since there is enough traffic to sustain these flights by themselves.


cheers





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User currently offlineSTARCREW From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3108 times:

Remember that it still needs CAA approval and that hasn't been given yet and AHUM (cough) BMI and BA have also applied for the route...

lets not jump then gun VS...



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User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1312 posts, RR: 57
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3063 times:



yes BMI has applied for the route. But, BA already flies LHR-BOM daily

cheers





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User currently offlineSevenheavy From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1156 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

The main reason for the flight timings is, as was posted earlier, purely down to availablility of slots. These slots are the ones that until recently were used by the additional IAD/BOS (VS53/55) flights that ran through the summer. These flights may have only ever been operated to keep slots from expiring before a more economically attractive route can be launched.

Regards,

SevenHeavy



So long 701, it was nice knowing you.
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4516 posts, RR: 72
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

When will the UK Government, i.e. CAA, decide how the extra frequencies resulting from the recently upgraded UK-India bilateral will be divided among the different applicants? I guess they'll give each of them part of the cake, so chances are likely quite high that VS will indeed be able to commence this operation. Has BA already put forward their plans for the additional frerquencies that are up for grabs?



User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 2848 times:

Actually, the limiting factor here was not HEATHROW slots but rather MUMBAI slots. As I posted on an earlier thread (pardon me, on dialup today in Paris so unable to search and cross-reference right now) there was no capacity for additional widebody arrivals at Mumbai during anything other than daytime hours. The best slots that AAI had available during W04 schedule were the ones allocated above and Virgin jumped on them as a result.

User currently offlineCrewrest From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2741 times:

As part of this liberalisation you'll find that Virgin will now try to cease the arrangement with Air India, and apply for Daily DEL, BOM & possibly BLR in their own right.

There is a public CAA meeting to share out these UK-Indian routes on 11-12 November


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 2734 times:

I'm surprised they don't have a 744 on the route instead of a 340.


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User currently offlineJasepl From India, joined Jul 2004, 3582 posts, RR: 39
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

As part of this liberalisation you'll find that Virgin will now try to cease the arrangement with Air India, and apply for Daily DEL, BOM & possibly BLR in their own right.

That's what I would think too. If VS manage to get rights and slots of their own, what good would come of an arrangement with AI?

As for AI, they're going to be stuck with bloody LH. Good luck with that one!


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 2612 times:

Does the arrival of VS affect the Market of AI flights in the BOM-LHR route?


Happy Landing
User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4850 posts, RR: 44
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2565 times:

Sean(747-437B)...would VS after the open skies season ends on March 31st be given new slot timings by AAI such as those in the night time at BOM when all the other European giants come in as well or are these slot timings permament ?

User currently offlineVirgincrew From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 422 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2447 times:

Hey Guys,

When and if we get the rights to fly to Mumbai, the Air India Codeshare will cease to exist, it was only started so we could fly to Delhi. If we get all the extra slots we want, Delhi will become a daily service. Along with other hopeful Indian routes.

Even though it will be on the A340-300 the Upper Class Suite is being installed on 10 of the A340-300's to attract the Upper Class Market.



Hello Beautiful !!!
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2893 posts, RR: 18
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2388 times:

But it does look more likely that virgin will edge bmi out in acquiring the slots

User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1630 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2375 times:

Virgincrew,

according to other sources only 5 A343's are going to get suites - these are the Odyssey equipped planes (HOL,SEA,AIR,ELD and FAR)

The 4 Arcadia equipped ones are said to be leaving in 2006 (BUS,SUN,AEL and FLY).

The 10th Aircraft, SKY left the fleet many months ago.

Does your info replace the previous plans?


User currently offlineAirish From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 259 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2365 times:

Well we will soon know if Virgin does get approval. The date for the hearing is set for the 11 to 12 November 2004. It is happening in London at the CAA's offices.

http://www.caa.co.uk/cpg/airline_licensing/airline_regs/document.asp?groupid=323




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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2352 times:


Does anyone know what BMI plans are? Where are they going to get the aircraft from as their 3 A330s are pretty busy flying routes already and they have a massively increased network starting with the winter schedule. Or are they just hoping to get it all and then buy new planes or lease quickly? I think BMI are just grabbing what they can but dont actually know what they are doing???? Does any BMI insider know more?


25 Flybmi330 : The bmi rumour mill so far.... two A340s operated by Lufthansa on bmi's behalf, with Lufthansa crew, for the first 6-12 mionths, until we sort out our
26 Sevenheavy : Richard28: You are correct. VS have only had 9 A343's for the last 10 months or so and only the 5 you list are due to be "suited". The remaining 4 are
27 Jasepl : VS could still be forced to operate the codeshares with AI. The likelyhood of VS getting enough slots in its own right to operate DEL and BOM daily is
28 Sevenheavy : Jasepl: I'm not sure either but the facts are that there are currently 19 available frequencies for use by uk airlines - BA has all of them. This incr
29 HB-IWC : I also find if extremely unlikely that VS would get anything close to the 21 extra frequencies that are up for grabs, and one could even say that it i
30 B747-437B : the facts are that there are currently 19 available frequencies for use by uk airlines - BA has all of them. This increases by 7 to 26 for winter 2004
31 Sevenheavy : B747-437B: The time frames stated for the implementation of additional slot allocations are the ones that I read straight from the internal communicat
32 Virgincrew : Hey Richard28, Sorry about that, having a bad day, yes only five of the A340-300's are being suited and they will have the Odyssey system. No confirma
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