Dakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 147 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 5 days ago) and read 4857 times:
Air France-KLM claims in a press release that they have the largest market share (20 %) of all European airlines on routes to Latin America. But is their market share indeed larger than Iberia, that is known for its specialisation on this market? Anyone with reliable information about market shares?
Air France-KLM: Europe's Leading Airline in Latin America with nearly a 20% market share
Air France-KLM is the leading European carrier to and from Latin America, especially for premium passengers, with 180 weekly frequencies including 11 exclusive Latin American destinations. With a capacity of nearly 44,000 seats per week both ways, the Group has close to a 20% market share, far ahead of its competition.
The Air France-KLM merger has enabled two combined networks to be organized around two of Europe's most efficient hubs namely Paris-Charles de Gaulle and Amsterdam Schiphol, thus providing customers with an enhanced choice of destinations and flight times.
To Caracas, Air France and KLM have coordinated their flight schedules
with a daily service on departure from Paris-CDG operated in A340s. On flights to Sao Paulo, and to Lima, KLM has increased flight frequencies from five to six a week.
Starting on 1 November on flights to Rio, Air France will be operating a Boeing 747-400 instead of an Airbus A340, thus increasing available capacity to this destination by more than 60%, for a total of more than 780 seats per day (and over 5,500 passengers per week). Today Air France has also singled out Rio for the launch of its new private lounge for first class passengers travelling in 'l'Espace Première' and business travellers in 'l'Espace Affaires' and also those passengers from equivalent cabin classes with SkyTeam member airlines.
This is the first lounge to be doted with Air France's new travel concept for the customers' benefit. Fitted with wi-fi (wireless broadband internet connexion), it has seating for 66 passengers and represents a 460,000 euro investment.
These innovations underscore the confidence Air France-KLM has in
Latin American operations.
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4737 times:
So let's add KLM flights to South America on top of AF flights which you mentioned in your post:
LIM: 1 x daily MD11;
GRU: 6 x weekly B772ER;
PBM: 3 x weekly MD11;
UIO: 3 x weekly MD11;
GYE: 3 x weekly MD11;
In addition, KL has an agreement with JJ, which distributes its onward passengers from GRU to GIG and EZE.
Note that my flights above, including FLYSSC in the previous pots, are related to SOUTH AMERICA only, and thus do not include Central America + Mexico, and the Caribbean. In these destinations, AF and KL have flights to the following cities:
Mexico City (AF and KL)
Guatemala City (AF)
San Pedro Sula (AF)
San Salvador (AF)
Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 51 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4567 times:
Do you have relatives here in the Netherlands? Let me know next time you arein AMS, ok?
Don't forget that the report was about Latin Amerinca. So you would need to add the following destinations:
Mexico City (AF and KL)
Guatemala City (AF)
San Pedro Sula (AF)
San Salvador (AF)
In a more general note, it's amazing to see how AF has established a strong-hold in Brazil, operating daily non-stop flights to both GRU (777ER) and GIG (now served with the 747-400!!).
Indeed, I've read reports that the brand new Air France VIP Lounge in GIG is GORGEOUS!! AF has been flying daily non-stop GIG-CDG since 2001. It is now reeping the benefits of its commitment to the "wonderful city"!
Emirates Skies From Australia, joined Nov 2001, 171 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 4467 times:
Muchas gracias, Aer.
I've been to GUAtemala for 6 weeks in 1998. I flew in on KLM's B744 from AMS, with a stop in MEX. Had a gr8 time. Can't w8 to go back. I have a Maltese friend living near Jalapa and another in Jalpatagua. I love the Pacific Coast, as well as Tikal and La Antigua. I flew Taca to Flores airport & back.
DOES AF fly to San Salvador / San Pedro Sula? I guess that these are codeshare AM-operated flights.
Take nothing but photos, leave nothing but footprints
Arcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2402 posts, RR: 25 Reply 21, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 4376 times:
Mdutch: with the following as a codeshare on other airlines:
Córdoba * Mendoza *
Antofagasta * Concepción * Easter Island *
Puerto Montt * Punta Arenas *
Anybody know the days & a/c on these routes?
Hi, these routes are codeshared via SCL with Lan Chile.
Antofagasta, Concepcion, Puerto Montt and Punta Arenas (Chile) daily, several times a day, with a mix of 320s, 319s and 737, all of them in full coach configuration. Some flights to Punta Arenas (PUQ) have been flown by 767s.
Cordoba and Mendoza (Argentina): COR 7x, and MDZ 14x, both served by 732s
Easter Island (Chile): 4 times/week, on a 763. This flights continues to Tahiti (PPT).
Hope this helps!
Regards )( Arcano
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AM744 From Mexico, joined Jun 2001, 1725 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 4353 times:
Sounds logical to me. AF/KL tend to fly with larger a/c to most of their LatAm destinations as opposed to IB A340s. To MEX we are talking about 14x 744 vs. IB 10-12x A340... big difference to one of the key markets in the region... maybe the situation is similar in EZE and GRU?
25 Hardiwv: Mdutch: GRU and GIG are operated as non-stop flights by IB, and not as part of the same flight: MAD-GRU: daily, A340 MAD-GIG: 5 x week, A340 SOUTHAMER
26 FLYSSC: Anxelba has maybe overreacted... but don't be hard with him ! he is not completely wrong... As I mentionned in my previous post, each airline can be n
27 Jopavon: What stupid thread!!!! Everybody, and each of us here, Knows IB is the European carrier in leadership to and from LatinAmerica (Mexico, CentralAmerica
28 Dakota: Jopavon: Thanks for your information about market shares. But can you say where on the Iberia website you found these statistics?
29 Hardiwv: Lets's put things into perspective: IB (own metal) operations in South America: EZE GRU GIG SCL BOG UIO GYE LIM MVD CCS AF-KL (own metal) operations i
30 Dakota: Hardiwv, I think you forget to mention Central America and the Caribbean, because the press release is about Latin America. Iberia has just shut down
31 Jopavon: Dakota: It is in the shareholders section. This is the link http://grupo.iberia.es/invertors/presentacion/presentacion.html. Then take a look at the r
32 Lima: Do you think that if eventually Air France wants to increase frequencies in certain routes it would use KLM to do so? For example in Brazil or eventua
33 Hardiwv: Hi, Lima So another Dutch-Argentinian on board? Let me know your next time in AMS, so we could meet up! What is your assessment on the KLM-JJ flight A
34 Kl911: Since our future Queen is an Argentinian beauty everybody starts talking Dutch in Argentina, so funny... Should be good for Tourisme both ways. KL911
35 Marambio: Goeie middag mensen! Dag Marambio, en welkom! Ik vlieg ook regelmatig tussen Nederland en Argentinie, twee of drie keer per jaar. Meestal met de KLM (
36 Lima: Hoi Hardwig, Thank you. No, I am only from Argentina but I am living in Maastricht. Snap je? I go sometimes to Amsterdam would be nice to meet you too
37 Hardiwv: Marambio: RG is still flying daily the route AMS-CDG-GRU-POA. But now the use the MD11 instead of the 777. So service has certainly deteriorated. I th
38 Stock1985: Can the United States not support any nonstops to CAY or PBM. It just struck me as interesting that KL operates a 744 3X from AMS to PBM and AF operat
39 Hardiwv: Stock1985: PBM and CAY are served by AF and KL for one reason: historic bacground. PBM (Surinam) is a former Dutch colony, and CAY (French Guyana) is