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AC Announces SYD-YVR Non-stop  
User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9194 times:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2004/26/c4918.html

[Edited 2004-10-26 22:18:34]

39 replies: All unread, showing first 25:
 
User currently offlineArkhem From Ghana, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9017 times:

Too bad they are not going to use the 340-500, it would eliminate that southbound stop.

User currently offlineSpyderz From Canada, joined Apr 2001, 651 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9004 times:

Well only nonstop on the northbound flight with the A340-300. The southbound flight will still stop in HNL, but passengers will not be required to get off the plane. This will at least be an upgrade since the current procedures in HNL are a bit of a problem. There will also be a second daily 767-300ER which will stop in HNL both ways, but it's kinda suprising that both flights arrive an depart at relatively the same time. Also why double daily to Sydney? Maybe the A340 to Sydney and the 767 to Melbourne could've been interesting.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 9001 times:

YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR.... guess they didnt wanna take the payload hit for roundtrip nonstop.

User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8979 times:

Congrats AC!! Another choice to my favoriate city in the world!



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User currently offlineSamurai 777 From Canada, joined Jan 2000, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8981 times:

http://www.newswire.ca/en/releases/archive/October2004/26/c4918.html

It's better if you make it a working link - that eliminates the cutting and pasting.

It's about high time! I'm a little surprised that you can actually fly an A340-300 that far across the Pacific without having to stop for fuel. (northbound at least)

It would be even better if AC had ordered another A340-500 or two.

With the US increasingly paranoid about security, it also has me wondering how it'll be before they won't even allow pax to stay inside the plane even for a short fuel stop. That's the only thing worrying me. Otherwise, it's a good move by AC.

It'd be also nice to see if AC can continue that 763 run to MEL as well, so passengers don't have to worry about changing planes in SYD.

I don't know if Australian customs have changed so that you have to go through customs like most countries do - go through customs at the first major airport you connect at even if your final destination is another major city in the same country like Melbourne or Brisbane. In my experience (and my dad's, too), one didn't have to go through customs until having reached their final destination - as long as the final destination has customs facilities in place, such as Brisbane or even Cairns.

[Edited 2004-10-26 22:40:18]

User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 8935 times:

Thx Samurai, I did an edit and I guess the link didn't work after that. I only just noticed.

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8716 times:

One question regarding the southward fuel-stop in HNL. Is it really a stop without passing immigration, as a de-facto exterretorial fuel-stop?

User currently offlineBOEING747-700 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 8669 times:

Maybe a Air Canada flight that goes like this YVR-HNL-SYD-MEL-SYD-YVR on the A340-313X. How would something like that work for Air Canada?

User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 8578 times:

I wonder why they stop in HNL? If it is really only an refueling stop it would be more useful in Noumea or Nadi. The refuelling in HNL needs 1 hour, but they don't use it as an destination. They could stop in Nadi and use it as an additional destination without extending the overall travel time.

User currently offlineDalecary From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8468 times:

Sounds like an ideal 7E7 route to me both capacity and range wise. I would imagine the 343 is heavily payload restricted on the SYD-YVR non-stop leg,anyway and the 345 is probably too big.

Dale.


User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8423 times:

Does AC have any plans for 7E7? I thought they were going twards having a Dash-8-100/-300, CRJ200/700, EMB190, A319/320/321, B767-200ER/300ER, A330-300, A340-300/500 fleet? Maybe as a 767 replacement?


CanadianNorth






What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8420 times:

One question regarding the southward fuel-stop in HNL. Is it really a stop without passing immigration, as a de-facto exterretorial fuel-stop?

The stop in HNL is only for fuel and the pax will remain in bond so there is no need for US custom. I'm unsure at this time about payload restrictions but will check later tonight to see if the info is loaded in the computers yet.


User currently offlineCOEWR2587 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 607 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8410 times:

Why is AC so true to the 767-300ER for long haul routes. They have new A340's, I would think these would work better and be more comfy.

[Edited 2004-10-27 01:30:10]


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User currently offlineCanadianNorth From Canada, joined Aug 2002, 3390 posts, RR: 9
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 8329 times:

COEWR2587: It's probably because the 767 works out to be a good size for many AC routes, it gets the job done reasonably efficiently, and they already have plenty of them. As far as I know Air Canada has operated the 767 for years, and is quite happy with the plane.




CanadianNorth

[Edited 2004-10-27 02:01:04]


What could possibly go wrong?
User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8256 times:

The refuelling in HNL needs 1 hour, but they don't use it as an destination.

Well, they do on the one-stop. You can book HNL-SYD on AC, codeshared by United. Just not on this new flight.

The reason they don't offer it on both is because they want the stop to be as quick as possible on the "semi-nonstop" A340 service.

so true to the 767-300ER for long haul routes. They have new A340's, I would think these would work better and be more comfy.


Those really aren't the same class of plane, obviously. The A340 is huge in comparison.

N


User currently offlineWhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 788 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8240 times:
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Dalecary: The A345 actually has less seats on it than the A343, so it wouldn't be to big. It would be nice if they ordered a couple more though. Good to see mores being added, hopefully there will be alot more.

User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8221 times:

Travel press in Australia reports that Rob Milton was in Sydney last week.

There was no mention of increased capacity then, or of the nons-top flight.
Would love to see AC back in MEL, but it looks ighly unlikely at this stage...



User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8137 times:

There was no mention of increased capacity then, or of the nons-top flight.
Would love to see AC back in MEL, but it looks ighly unlikely at this stage...


Don't give up on MEL just yet, AC is looking for some more 767-300's and one route mentioned is YYZ-HNL-MEL. I know that cargo loads were great when AC was flying there, and Asia/South Pacific is going to be one of the main focus' for intl growth for AC.



User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26484 posts, RR: 75
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8082 times:

I am betting they are taking a weight hit on the Northbound non-stop anyway, but are offsetting all of that with higher ticket prices. They have been flying their 1 stops with the A343, so they probably decided to drop a few seats or pounds of cargo and hop ticket prices up. I bet they offer a 1 way stop over in HNL on the 763 flight and a non-stop back on the A340


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 8037 times:

I'm sorry, I don't follow you.

This topic is to discuss double daily flights. One YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR on an A340, and one YVR-HNL-SYD-HNL-YVR on the 763.

N


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26484 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 7978 times:

>This topic is to discuss double daily flights. One YVR-HNL-SYD-YVR on an A340, and one YVR-HNL-SYD-HNL-YVR on the 763.<

Well, actually, the topic heading says it is to discuss their new non-stop on one leg of the flight.
Since they have one flight already doing 1 stop in each direction, and it is an A340, I added that to the conversation. I interjected possibilities about how they could market the double dailies to people taking nice long vacations and collect stop over money.

Follow?



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User currently offlineAlexinwa From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1150 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7854 times:

So are they out of 340-500's? How many did they order?

I only show them running YYZ-HKG. Is that using 3 aircraft?

Even if they ran the 340-500 N/S both ways (YVR-SYD the 763 one-stop would make up any lost money?



You mad Bro???
User currently offlineYYZACGUY From Canada, joined May 2004, 161 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7682 times:

The A340-500 is only for YYZ-HKG(ac15) HKG YYZ(ac16) thats all they are using them for. So with this new non stop SYD YVR is there going to be A weight and balance issues and pax will get bumped. Just wondering not bad getting bumped in SYD just so I can look out for the loads when I go down in DEC


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User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3328 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Accargo, thanks for the heads up on the sector and plans.

i think there attempt on the sector Nov 01 to Aug 02 would have paid off if they went for it, but S11 and broader issues meant the service was pulled.

If you hear anything, let us know... ; )



25 Carfield : Do you know what is the schedule for this new nonstop flights between SYD and YVR? Thanks, Carfield
26 SunriseValley : You are all forgetting that AC has just emerged from bankrupcy and that they have some pretty hard nosed NYC financiers holding major stock positions
27 Post contains images RT514 : Too bad they are not going to use the 340-500, it would eliminate that southbound stop. Agreed. Another couple of A345's could be put to good use in A
28 6thfreedom : Carfied.... A343 - YVR/HNL/SYD/YVR AC033 departs Vancouver at 18:10, arrives in Honolulu at 22:25 for refueling [1 HOUR] Sydney arrival at 07:00, two
29 JfkYYZ : Hmm so does this mean that pax will not have to go through US customs or will theres till be a pre-clear on Canadian soil before stopping over in HNL
30 Accargo : Hmm so does this mean that pax will not have to go through US customs or will theres till be a pre-clear on Canadian soil before stopping over in HNL
31 Miami1 : This is great news. another kick in the guts for boring QANTAS. nice to see some airlines are inovative and are willing to expand to create a market i
32 Dutchjet : I find this approach by AC a bit odd, to be honest. Of course, AC is retaining the existing flight that "officially" stops in HNL, its a money maker,
33 Avek00 : another kick in the guts for boring QANTAS If QF does indeed notice a decline in traffic because of this nonstop, I'd fully expect a competitive respo
34 RT514 : However, the new service can only operate nonstop in one direction with the A343 - why bother? The difference is now not having to go through customs
35 Sebring : Maybe AC should have thought "outside the box" on this one That might be good if Air Canada planned to make a stop each way at Fiiji on the route. Wit
36 Gasman : Is this still happening? The flights don't seem to come up on any of the on line booking engines, and if the service is scheduled to start in December
37 Accargo : Is this still happening? The flights don't seem to come up on any of the on line booking engines, and if the service is scheduled to start in December
38 Gasman : Thanks Accargo, I have it now! On the downloadable PDF timetable, it still lists AC34 as having 1 stop though. As a side note - is it correct that the
39 Sebring : AC has no PTVs in economy in the 343s. That will be rectified next year, but not until after the current winter schedule (which is your summer schedul
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