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'Sleazy' Pilot & F/A Interaction  
User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8884 times:

For those who work in the airline industry:

I'm just curious.

I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe. This got my mind thinking.

I'm sure many of us have heard the tales (true or not) of airline personnel (pilots and/or f/a's) having affairs while on the road.

Inter-office affairs happen in every major company, so I'm sure they happen with airlines, but how common are they REALLY...given the accessability to frequent trips away from home, hotels, close working proximity, etc?


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User currently offlineAirMale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 379 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8767 times:

The airline industry is no different from any other industry. That should explain your question. Chapter closed.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8757 times:

>>I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.<<


Does that go for male FA's too??



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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8693 times:

I saw in another forum that DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.

Does that go for male FA's too??


This was specifically in response to a conversation here: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1796511/
...about DL suspending an f/a for blogging. If you read in there, you'll see what I mean about the "preacher's daughter" thing.

But notice I said "pilots and/or f/a's" so that should encompass everyone. Nice try.  Smile



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User currently offlineAlberchico From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 2925 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8651 times:

Although people who work in this industry haver a higher rate of divorce.


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User currently offlineTWFirst From Vatican City, joined Apr 2000, 6346 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8638 times:

>>But notice I said "pilots and/or f/a's" so that should encompass everyone. Nice try.<<


What was I trying???



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User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 8624 times:

Although people who work in this industry haver a higher rate of divorce.

Interesting. I know its a stressful lifestyle. But, you wouldn't happen to have statistics to support this, would you?



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User currently offlineJafa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8574 times:

Given the age of some of those senior babes you might want to say the preachers mother. At a mjor airline the enviornment is too corporate for sleazy interaction, although it could happen in rare instances. We don't have time for that, plane changes every one or two legs and short over nights.

User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

I´m pretty sure there´s a lot of room sharing going on, if you know what I mean. Most female f/a´s look pretty good, and they know it. If they´re looking for some fun, and the pilot isn´t too serious about his relationship or simply can´t resist the temptation... This obviously also goes for male f/a´s and female pilots.

User currently offlineAa717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 9, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8458 times:

The way I explain it when asked is this: In the "old days"(the 60's and 70's) take what you imagine happening and TRIPPLE it! The flight crews back then were the Special Ops Warriors in the sexual revolution. At TWA, they used to call the DC9-10(pre-Ozark) crews "four on the floor". Two pilots and two FA's. I was told that if you didn't get l**d at least once on every trip, you just weren't trying.

Now, there's probably more action going on in most suburban neighborhoods. There have been too many "good" examples of ruined lives and lost retirements for most of us to "chase skirt". AIDS, herpes and run of the mill clap will land you in divorce court--or the morgue.TC



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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1185 posts, RR: 10
Reply 10, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8408 times:

I have no statistics, just common sense. Here is a group of people who have much in common and who are provided a paid hotel room and plenty of time (when not working) to do as they please. I have seen crews who arrive at their destination, get in their rooms, and just want to get to sleep. I would say this is a high percentage. However, there also have to be crewmembers who prefer each other's company.
As someone said, this behavior would not be exclusive to this industry. However, this "lifestyle" sure makes it easy for airplane crews to play around.
I am curious as to why the heading calls this "sleazy" interaction. Sex doesn't have to be sleazy, ya know?
FLY2LIM



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User currently offlineTravatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2173 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 8376 times:

Shouldn't this go in the non-aviation forum?



User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

I am curious as to why the heading calls this "sleazy" interaction. Sex doesn't have to be sleazy, ya know?

I agree. Hence the quotations around the word Sleazy. It's up to you to determine if its sleazy or not.

Shouldn't this go in the non-aviation forum?
No, b/c it's a relevant question relating to life as an f/a or pilot, and the airline industry as a whole.






"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineJafa From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 782 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7922 times:

You people have no clue what schedules the majority of crews work. There isn't any time or energy to engage in anything other than sleep. Its not uncommon for a three day trip to have 12+ hours days on duty with the rest on layover. Most of the time I don't get a good nights rest because: the layover is very short (less 6-7 hours sleep), on the layovers that are longer you tend to have crack of dawn wakeup calls (330-5a).
I am pretty observant and haven't noticed any sign of "sleazy" crew interactions between flight deck crew, cabin crew, or flight deck/cabin crew. Maybe these things happen at foreign carriers still, but in the US the mentality is very corporate. WHo wants to be fired for sexual harrassment?


User currently offlineLrockeagle From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 82 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 7831 times:

Jafa

I see pilots bring their girlfriends into LIT with them all the time for RONs. I recently saw a pilot with his hand quite far up the skirt of the F/A sitting in the right seat on the flt. deck while waiting for boarding. It does happen. I talk to the F/As and a lot of the time they are very eager to tell me about their hotel room adventures.


User currently offlineCactusA319 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 2918 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7787 times:


It happens, altough probably not as much as in the golden years. I knew a few young female FA's at a US regional who would bang pretty much anything-pilots, mechanics, hell even rampers. One of them ended up taking maternity leave thanks to one of the CRJ captains though. So yeah it does happen, maybe not as much on trips, but definitely back at the base city.



User currently offlineSian From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 31 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7766 times:

In which case, Lrockeagle, Jilly Cooper needs to speak with you urgently, I hear she needs material for a new book!  Wink/being sarcastic

Hwyl!

Siân Big grin

(p.s. for all those who don't know, Jilly Cooper is a British novelist, who likes to inject a bit of "how's your father" into her books.)



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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 7746 times:

A hundred years ago when I started flying (I lfew for PanAm until the end)...trust me, there was LOTS of fun going on...(oh to be young again! G)..these days..not as much as there use to be...we are now working 12-14 hour domestic days...9 hour block to block layovers (meaning 6 hours of sleep if your lucky....so the energy and time is just not there any more!



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User currently offlineWdleiser From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 961 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7482 times:

From what I have been told Long Haul international Pilots seem to have the most fun of them all.

User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 7201 times:

i think relationships among flight crews (cockpit & cabin) are a normal and acceptable behavior.

you've got normal people who have in common a lifestyle and the company they work for. relationships between people who share these things are very common in any industry.

i don't think airlines actively recruit "peacher's daughters" types. they recruit (or used to when we were profitable) individuals who have a professional appearance and disposition. you have flight attendants who are, underneath their uniforms, covered with tattoos and have multiple body piercings. you have pilots who are religous zealots and cheat on their wives relentlessly. people in this profession run the gamet of personality types. all have one thing in common...they have a professional appearance and disposition.

flight crews are just like everybody else.



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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6452 times:

Well of course they do, its just like any other office except theirs flies through the sky! This Topic brings back lots of great memories!!! Oh that F9 DEN-DFW Flight was G-R-E-A-T!!!!!
Im married that's enough of that talk!!!!



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 21, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

Why should anyone care if a pilot and flight attendant has a little fun after a long flight or layover in another town between flights?

As long as a pilot gets people to there destination safe and flight attendant serves my cocktails strong is all that matters.

DL (and I'm sure other carriers) wants their f/a's to have that "preacher's daughter" vibe.

Oh gosh my first sexual experience was with a preachers daughter. Lots of fun!  Smokin cool


TWFirst:
Your first post was hillarious!  Laugh out loud








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User currently offlineCrazyboi From Canada, joined Feb 2001, 155 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6141 times:

I remember when I was a teenager flying out of MSP in a NW DC-10-40 I was invited into the cockpit for a pre-flight visit. After the usual questions and such, I hung around in the pilot's seat as some flight attendants came in for a casual chat. And I was amazed at the sleazy interaction between the flight and cabin crews - a lot of innuendo and attitude.

And then to top things off, the copilot suggested that a succession of flight attendants strike poses on my 15-year old lap while he took photos with my camera. It was very awkward and I'm still too embarassed to look over those photos in my album. A bit tasteless, if you ask me.



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User currently onlineSuperfly From Thailand, joined May 2000, 39907 posts, RR: 75
Reply 23, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 6075 times:

Crazyboi:
Feel free to email me those photos!  Laugh out loud

I am uneasy with the term "Sleazy".
It sounded like the crew was just having a good time. If it's consensual than I see no problem.

And I was amazed at the sleazy interaction between the flight and cabin crews - a lot of innuendo and attitude.

Check out some old episodes of Threes Company.
Excellent TV with lots of sexual innuendo.  Smokin cool



Bring back the Concorde
User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1016 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 12 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5955 times:

Oh please give me a break to whoever said there isn't time to do anything but sleep!
I've known several f/a's who told me some interesting story while away. In fact, I bagged a nice little red head several years ago from NW. I met this girl out while she had a day off in NYC.

Yeah, there is a lot playing when away from home.



Heia Norge!
25 Lrockeagle : crazyboi- I want those pictures!!!
26 Crazyboi : crazyboi- I want those pictures!!! They're safely in the vault. I look like such a wanker, this gangly, pimply teenage airplane geek with a big, buxom
27 BigB : Man, yall don't know, there a lot of F/As out there who are freaks. Ah man, enought said.
28 Post contains images DeltaGuy : Happens all the time....to share a little bit of a personal story, a few years ago my father was newly divorced, and was an F/O on the MD-88. Now, ove
29 Airgeek12 : I have been on TONS of flights where while on the ground the pilot would be mingling in the rear galley with the flight attendant. :-p
30 Post contains images Superfly : Crazyboi: I look like such a wanker, this gangly, pimply teenage airplane geek with a big, buxom blonde balance on my lap. Argh. Maybe that's what fin
31 ATLhomeCMH : Seems like there are some similarities b/w Airline life and the military. I've seen firsthand how prevalent adultery in the military is, both among th
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