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Status Of Air India VT-AIF  
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3461 times:

It was reported that she entered the fleet already.. when will she have her first revenue flight, which name did she receive, and does she have the same IFE as VT-AIE (ex-SQ)?

I could imagine VT-AIE / AIF being deplored for the LAX routes, right? Or will she also see ORD and other destinations?

Does she have the same grey underbelly? And pics yet?

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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3423 times:

OK, checked the database:


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Interestingly, the last pic, showing the departure to DEL, does not show the name of the a/c yet.. are they only put in BOM (hopefully there won't be any arguments about that this time)? Is the leasing deal with SQ or Boeing (or some other leasing company)?


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3406 times:

For how many years does AI usually lease these B747 aircrafts? And how costly is it to lease one?


Happy Landing
User currently offlineCBphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3388 times:

Funny how the second pic on the top row says fresh out of the paint shop, but yet taking a closer look on the tail is seems to have either defects, or the paint is already falling off? take a closer look right by the rudder. Any ideas on what that could be. I too am itnerested to see what they name this bird!
Cheers



ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3379 times:

I'm expecting it to show up at LAX any day now....(perhaps today!)

I think the name titles will get applied in Mumbai, so that third pic doesn't show them.


User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3340 times:

The "paint falling off" looks more like a reflection of some sort, most probably the sun. Look at something newly painted, will have some awesome reflections on it, even when its not sunny.

Moheet  Smile



Forever Flight
User currently offlineCBphoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1550 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3280 times:

Ohhh...I didn't even think of that. Thanks Moheet!


ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 3261 times:

For how many years does AI usually lease these B747 aircrafts?

I believe Sean mentioned in an earlier post that these birds have been leased for 3 years (extendable to 5 years).


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3234 times:

I believe Sean mentioned in an earlier post that these birds have been leased for 3 years (extendable to 5 years).

Correct.. that is what the tenders say. In case of the ULR Tenders, it is 7/10, if I remember correct

This shows that leasing is a great short-term Strategy but does not substitute a comprehensive long-term fleet-growth plan..

I hope that soon we can present pics of new a/c s belonging to AI in this database..  Wink/being sarcastic



User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2881 posts, RR: 18
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

But whats the news on the IFE

User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3224 times:

When our new B777 arrive at BOM for the first time will it be flown by UA pilots as the delivery flight or will our pilots be bringing it to BOM. If its our pilots are gonna bring the aircraft to BOM then are our AI pilots under training to fly these 777's. Will AI be introducing new pilots to fly these 777’s or pilots currently flying our 747’s be upgraded to fly the B777? If so how is the selection process pilots to fly 777’s done by AI?

George



Happy Landing
User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

or will our pilots be bringing it to BOM.

No AI pilots, because not trained.. no idea whether UA or Boeing pilots..

Regarding your training question, Tenders had been published - check out:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1793396
http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1766208

But whats the news on the IFE

I remember Sean saying that the UA PTV system will remain active.. hopefully they will have the same channel UA had to follow the tower/ATC - Pilots communications (I remember when I took UA 900 (T7), I listened the entire flight to this comminucation: "UA 900 calls Scottish... - Good morning, Reykjavik here.."  Smile


User currently offlineAirindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3112 times:

saw a 737 in IC colours yesterday... takeoff frmo mumbai. would anyone know whether Alliance has reverted to ICs color schemes...... are there any talks of scrapping CD and realigning them with IC......

User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3081 times:

I remember reading somewhere recently that the three ex SIA 744s that AI is leasing will be converted to 747-400SF (Special Freighter) configuration. Ah... found it!

From Flight International 26 October to 1 November

"US leasing company Guggenheim Aviation Partners has acquired four ex-Singapore Airlines 747-400s through Boeing Aircraft Trading and booked slots with Boeing Commercial Aviation Services for their conversion to freighters between 2006 and 2009. The first two will be leased to Air India pending conversion and Guggenheim is marketing the third aircraft for interim passenger-configuration use. Following modification at locations that have still to be decided by Boeing, the company's first two Special Freighters will be available for lease in 2007, followed by one in 2008 and on in 2009."

I guess this pretty much rules out the possibility of AI leasing these aircraft for much longer than three years. Although with AI....never say never  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3032 times:

when will she have her first revenue flight

AI 145 of 27 October

which name did she receive

Ellora

does she have the same IFE as VT-AIE

Yes, I believe so.



User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3021 times:

And pics yet?

VT-AIF at CDG this morning...



User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2998 times:

Ellora is a fantastic name.

I always wondered why AI had an Ajanta and not an Ellora.


User currently offlineBa777-236 From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 673 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2990 times:

Does anyone know why the belly's aren't polished on AI's two new 744's?

If they are being leased for at least 4 years, you'd think that AI would want them to look the same as the rest of their fleet  Confused



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User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2979 times:

Ellora is a fantastic name.

I always wondered why AI had an Ajanta and not an Ellora


Yeah, Ellora was one of the names that I had considered as well. It's a great name to go along with Ajanta. I prefer the longer names myself, however.

Here are some of the names I'd proposed on an earlier thread (before names for AIE or AIF had been selected):

Nalanda
Vijayanagar
Chittor
Jaisalmer
Varanasi
Kannyakumari
Bhubaneshwar
Ellora
Golconda
Mahabalipuram
Gwalior

As far as the LAX route, the -437s seem to be back, which is great. I saw ESP last Wednesday and then EVA yesterday. Sean, do you know if AIF will be put into the LAX schedule soon?

[Edited 2004-10-28 23:38:00]

User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2963 times:

May I ask where Ellora is and the secret behind..?

And will the frighters be a combi version as 74M or all-cargo>


User currently offlineThunderbird1 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2952 times:

May I ask where Ellora is and the secret behind..?

I don't know of any secret. If you're asking about where it is geographically, it's only about 30 km or so from Aurangabad in Maharashtra. Hindu, Jain, and Buddhist caves carved out of the volcanic rock in the hillside. Ajanta and Ellora are relatively close to each other--hence the pairing.


User currently offlineTrvyyz From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1369 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2933 times:

Kanyakumari

This name could be saved for a brand new a/c as a leased aircraft can neither be considered as "kanya" or 'kumari". Laugh out loud


User currently offlineIndianguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2920 times:


saw a 737 in IC colours yesterday... takeoff frmo mumbai. would anyone know whether Alliance has reverted to ICs color schemes...... are there any talks of scrapping CD and realigning them with IC......


No there is no plan of scrapping CD, though I do think there is some confusion over what role it will play. For eg some of the A319s coming in are going to IC while most are going to CD!

As for the color schemes, yes there a couple of the 10 737-200's that are still in IC's old colors. All of these AFAIK are based in DEL. But all the 732's are operated by CD.

-Roy


User currently offlineHawaijahaz From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 352 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Wow! She looks really good in the picture that Sean posted. The aircraft looks majestic and the picture shows the planes true size. Great picture...if only the quality was a bit better.

User currently offlineAirindia From United Arab Emirates, joined Jan 2001, 1631 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2853 times:

Roy,

some of the A319s coming in are going to IC while most are going to CD!


CD was an alliance between IC and Boeing, correct me if i am wrong. how then they wud get 319s, why wud boeing allow that...... what is the current stake of boeing in CD, if it no longer holds a stake then might aswell scrap the existence of CD.........

Guru


25 Post contains images Mrniji : No there is no plan of scrapping CD, though I do think there is some confusion over what role it will play There is the proposal of converting CD in a
26 Karan69 : Great that atleast "new" aircraft are coming through leasing if not direct purchase
27 Santhosh : Why don’t AI consider buying a new aircraft from Boeing. Is it due to lack of finance or is leasing more profitable than buying one?
28 Post contains images Mrniji : Why don’t AI consider buying a new aircraft from Boeing. Is it due to lack of finance or is leasing more profitable than buying one? AI would love t
29 Indianguy : Airindia: That is incorrect. Boeing is not involved in any way whatsoever in CD. The reason why CD was setup has been covered b4. To summarize: 1. CD
30 Mrniji : 4 There is good reason to retain these ratty 737's. Many airports cannot be served by the much heavier A320's. Does the A319 serve its purpose in this
31 Vimanav : Many airports cannot be served by the much heavier A320's. It was precisely to overcome these difficulties that IC A320s have the 4-wheel bogies. But
32 Indianguy : It was precisely to overcome these difficulties that IC A320s have the 4-wheel bogies. True. But airports like the old COK and BHO were still off lim
33 Santhosh : Pran: What difference dose it make by IC A320s having 4-wheel bogies.
34 Vimanav : Pran: What difference dose it make by IC A320s having 4-wheel bogies. The 4 wheel bogies basically allow the aircraft to operate from short runways an
35 Santhosh : Is it like the 4 wheel bogies allow the A320 to spread its total weight over a larger area. George
36 Karan69 : Infact as mentioned above why doesent IC order Emb170-190 for the other above mentioned underdeveloped routes
37 Post contains images Vimanav : Infact as mentioned above why doesent IC order Emb170-190 for the other above mentioned underdeveloped routes You see simply ordering EMB170-190 or th
38 Santhosh : Is it really more profitable to use larger aircraft than smaller ones. How about certain smaller carriers using smaller aircrafts successfully?Or inst
39 Post contains images Mrniji : Is it really more profitable to use larger aircraft than smaller ones. Depends case-by-case - you have to fill the small aircraft - then, what I see w
40 Santhosh : Mrniji:Simple and an effective explanation. I fully get your point. Thanx
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