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Pilots Forgot To Turn On Seatbelt Sign During Ldg.  
User currently offlineFlyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12971 times:

I was on a recent flight from KSJC to KRNO...When the 73 leveled off at FL230 the pilot turned off the fasten seat belt sign...During the descent into Reno the pilots signaled the flight attend call button to let the flight attendants know that the plane was at 10,000 feet...The flight attendants came on the PA saying to stow and turn off any electronic devices for landing...During short final I noticed the fasten seat belt sign was still off...When the plane pulled into the gate area the pilot quickly turned on the sign then off to make that noise then he shut down the engines...Kinda makes U think if the pilots were using their checklists...

Has anyone else seen this happen?

Kevin

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User currently offlineNWAFA From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1893 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 12846 times:

SCARY! Totally shows that they were NOT following check list!


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User currently offlineUAL747DEN From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2392 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12786 times:

I wonder if there was something wrong with the aircraft. I was always under the assumption that the lights were automatic if not turned on before a certain altitude. Is this not true???


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12749 times:

Nope....the "auto" mode of the switches is never used nowadays. Before, Auto mode for No Smoking would extinguish the light when gear was raised, and Auto for Seatbelts would extinguish the light when the flaps were retracted. Now, if you plain forget to turn the switch to ON, those cabin lights will never turn itself on.

Probably just a simple goof....but they did remember to chime the No Smoking 4 times to signal 10K feet?

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12742 times:

which carrier was this and what plane?

User currently offlineEjazz From United Arab Emirates, joined May 2002, 724 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12757 times:

Three settings on the seat belt sign switch; Off, Auto, On. Most times its set to Auto which turns the signs off at around 10000ft on the climb and turns them on again at 10000ft on the descent.

Maybe the Auto system had malfunctioned, if not then the switch was in the Off position which the Auto system does not override and it was forgotten during the checklist. No big deal since most passengers ignore the seat belt sign anyway. If only people would take note as Flyer737sw did.



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User currently offlineAvt007 From Canada, joined Jul 2000, 2132 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12716 times:

That's ok, on my last flight with Alitalia, they did the safety demo and video 10 minutes AFTER departure! "Had we crashed on takeoff, this is what you should have done."  Smile

User currently offlineVSFullThrottle From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 280 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 12708 times:

It would be kinda cool to land and not have to wear you Seatbelt!!!!

VSFT


User currently offlineSanthosh From India, joined Sep 2001, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12649 times:

What kinds of problem may the Captain face if a passenger reports such a matter to the companey that the captain had not put the seatbelt sign on before landing?

George



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User currently offlineShaunwilson From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 6 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12650 times:

Wow, thats shocking....but you'd think that most passengers would have the common sense to do up their seatbelts during landing.

-Shaun

[Edited 2004-10-28 07:22:38]

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12608 times:

Wow, thats shocking....but you'd think that most passengers would have the common sense to do up their seatbelts during landing

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From United States, joined Jul 2004, 86 posts, RR: 2
Reply: 7
Posted Thu Oct 28 2004 06:58:55 UTC+2 and read 71 times:
It would be kinda cool to land and not have to wear you Seatbelt!!!!


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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12598 times:

WOW this and WOW that.
When the plane pulled into the gate area the pilot quickly turned on the sign then off to make that noise then he shut down the engines

I know that it's common procedure to check this switch be it on or not inorder to shut down and deplane the a/c correctly. As in he was looking at his arrival checklist and it refurred to the seat-belt sign. It's not like he was thinking,
Oh CRAP! Do you think if I just turn it real quick they won't tell? $hit what do I do? Should I call over the PA and thank the FO for the great job during the flight and specifiy the checklists????

And if he turned it on and then off real quick to assure the people who could care less that it was on, I don't think it would have made a big difference....

Oh no this airline is going to go Bankrupt now. No wait! Maybe it was the a/c, those damn Boeing/Airbus'! Give it a break....

UA777222



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User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2362 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12587 times:
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Might as well post it, since it is related to this thread.

Have you ever heard of airlines leaving the seatbelt sign on the entire flight? (over 1.5 hours). I can think of HU and CZ. People still walk freely around the cabin so it doesn't really matter.


User currently offlineFlyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 12548 times:

"WOW this and WOW that.
When the plane pulled into the gate area the pilot quickly turned on the sign then off to make that noise then he shut down the engines

I know that it's common procedure to check this switch be it on or not inorder to shut down and deplane the a/c correctly. As in he was looking at his arrival checklist and it refurred to the seat-belt sign. It's not like he was thinking,
Oh CRAP! Do you think if I just turn it real quick they won't tell? $hit what do I do? Should I call over the PA and thank the FO for the great job during the flight and specifiy the checklists????

And if he turned it on and then off real quick to assure the people who could care less that it was on, I don't think it would have made a big difference....

Oh no this airline is going to go Bankrupt now. No wait! Maybe it was the a/c, those damn Boeing/Airbus'! Give it a break...."

UA777222



Sorry for postin up something that I thought might be interesting to other people...I didn't think there were 5 year olds on this board...If you dont like what is posted then leave it at that...Otherwise post your .02 else where...

Kevin


[Edited 2004-10-28 08:05:35]

User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12534 times:

The seatbelt sign was off and you didn't stand in the aisle in a surfing pose while landing? What were you thinking... how rare to get a landing so smooth that it doesn't require seatbelts  Smile

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8464 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12486 times:
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Anyone who has any sense doesn't unfasten their seatbelt during flight anyway.


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User currently offlineFlyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12472 times:

"The seatbelt sign was off and you didn't stand in the aisle in a surfing pose while landing? What were you thinking... how rare to get a landing so smooth that it doesn't require seatbelts"

I should have done that...I was more interested in lookin outside...

Kevin


User currently offlineBCALdavid From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 74 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 12468 times:

I wouldn't be too concerned about the "fasten seat belt" sign not being switched on as such, but since a lot of accidents are blamed on pilots not following their checklists and failing to do something, then its a great concern. I like flying Southwest, but if they are letting crews get a bit slack, I'm not so sure...!

Can anyone confirm that SWA do have "fasten seat belt" as part of their checklist?


User currently offlineAfay1 From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1293 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 12388 times:

If you were a 737 pilot who flew back and forth all day from wherever to wherever, don't u think u might all forget the seat-belt light once in awhile. Its not like he forgot the landing gear. Maybe he had to concentrate on something. I would prefer a pilot concentrating on a TCAS warning rather than the seat belt....

User currently offlineFoxiboy From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 208 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12341 times:

Well the question is did the cabin crew do a cabin secure check,in the uk we arequiered to ensure that passengers have fastened seatbelts,stowed hand luggage,placed seatbacks up right,etc. I would have thought that they would have noticed that the seatbelt sign was not on,so surely they should have informed the flight deck,also do they not inform the flight deck that the cabin is secure for landing,so not only were the flight deck not following procedure neither were the cabin crew.Maybe some extra training is needed.

User currently offlineCactus739 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2450 posts, RR: 30
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 12276 times:

I don't believe it, but that's just me.

Your profile says you work for Southwest.

Did you mention this to anyone? Reno station manager? Your supervisor? The pilots of your next flight?




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User currently offlineBeechcraft From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 828 posts, RR: 41
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12211 times:

...and maybe even pilots make mistakes from time to time. Most probably they´ve even read the checklist and looked at the switch, but if you´re busy, you may miss some things, or you just see what you wanna see.
(paris in the the spring....)

Anyway we too have an on, off and auto switch for the signs. it is set to on until 10´000ft then set to auto, so the signs will come on automatically with the first flap setting.

Denis



That's it! You people have stood in my way long enough. I'm going to clown college!
User currently offlineFlyer737sw From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 135 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 12196 times:

I didn't mention it to anyone...I didn't think it was that big of a deal...just more interesting...Thats all...

When I go into work I will ask the pilots there "normal" operation for this...I will also check if its listed on there check list...

Kevin


User currently offlineOYRJA From Denmark, joined Feb 2007, 78 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 12105 times:

Hoepfully an aviation guy like you were smart enough to put on the seatbelt  Laugh out loud


User currently offlineJAXpax From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 12043 times:

Probably just a simple goof....but they did remember to chime the No Smoking 4 times to signal 10K feet?

Chris,
Different airlines use different chimes/signals. Even between the Delta Connection carriers it's different.


25 NWA330Tony : Good thing it was just you who noticed!!! Also captains very lucky he didnt have one of our friendly FAA inspectors onboard could have been trouble an
26 Ckfred : Did the F/As come around and check to see if all the passengers had fastened their seat belts? Usually, the the announcement is made about stowing car
27 JetService : Doesn't sound like the a big deal. Maybe simple explanation such as the captain was boozed-up and forgot. Once I forgot to buckle up for t/o. I had th
28 Post contains images AAR90 : Nope....the "auto" mode of the switches is never used nowadays. Yes it is... depending upon airline/aircraft configuration. How the AUTO function work
29 SWAbubba : The FO is supposed to check that the seatbelt sign is on descending through 10,000 ft. It is up to the captain when it is turned on or off, normally i
30 JBirdAV8r : I wouldn't be too concerned about the "fasten seat belt" sign not being switched on as such, but since a lot of accidents are blamed on pilots not fol
31 Pilotaydin : For those of you who think that a flick of a simple switch is nothing important, let me tell you about an empty turkish airlines 737-400 that dove int
32 Rossyboy : Well, to speak personally, I always take off my seatbelt as soon as it goes off and I don't really like it on, so I wouldn't have put it on, but would
33 Barney Captain : Um, first of all, pitot heat IS on the checklist and backed up with a master caution because it is safety of flight. A seat belt sign ISN'T on our or
34 Pilotaydin : my apologies, didnt know it wasnt on Southwest's checklist, i was speaking in terms of airlines i am familiar with.
35 Corey07850 : The icing caused the a/s to reduce to a reading of 45 knots, both pilots confused and in clouds push full throttle and full forward If the pilots were
36 Pilotaydin : my dear friend...i am a graduate of Emrby Riddle Aeronautical unicersity with a minor in aircraft crash and investigation. Next, I am an avid aviation
37 Dan2002 : 6 Apr 1999; TC-JEP, 737-400, 25378/2732, Del 21/6/95, Turkish Airlines; Ceyhan, Turkey: The Boeing 737 departed Adana at 00.36h for a ferry flight to
38 Pilotaydin : Thanks Dan, I was quoted 17m in class, regardless 10m is still a massive hole. The press tried to pass it as a bomb in the beginning, but after the FD
39 Lrockeagle : Mach 2 huh? Wow, I know Boeing makes good planes... but thats fast! Are you stoned?!?
40 Pilotaydin : am i stoned? Think about it....you are normally cruising at 82% of the speed of sound going level, how hard is it to reach 200% of the speed of sound
41 MATURRO727 : Hey! Flyer737sw: first of all WELCOME TO THE FORUM !!! Now at my point of view, it is not so bad ! As someone said before in a post, he forgot the sea
42 Lrockeagle : It is completely impossible. The frame would disintegrate. Have you ever read Chuck Yeager's autobiography? (no) I'll answer that for you. If the plan
43 Pilotaydin : i did not translate properly from Turkish, you are right the aircraft did break up, i never said it didnt, but it did reach Mach 2, factually indicate
44 Zvezda : I minored in physics. No chance of reaching Mach2 in a 737 even going straight down at full throttle. The assist from gravity is small compared to the
45 Pilotaydin : everyone asked me to base this on facts...and i dont mean to drag this out but does anyone know the factual MAX speed of a boeing 737 before it turns
46 Lrockeagle : Thanks Zvezda- I would have a hard time believing anything could fall at Mach 2 unless specifically designed to. I am open minded enough to accept tha
47 Zvezda : To reach or exceed Mach1.0 requires a pointy nose, not a rounded nose, else very bad things happen. The breakup speed of a B737 is probably just below
48 Pilotaydin : I'm not challenging anyone here ok, i realize people are maybe getting testy or witty, but i was merely trying to share something with you guys, not s
49 Pilotaydin : on another note, sometimes for bizare reasons, things dont happen the way they are supposed to. I remember watching a documentary on the Olympics, way
50 Lrockeagle : Why don't we go lease a 737 and I'll let you try to achieve even Mach 1. But then, everybody here at A.net gets to laugh at you when you back off on t
51 Zvezda : I have no trouble believing the main points of your story. Just some of the details contradict physics. Perhaps it's the bias of my education and expe
52 Pilotaydin : What does this have to do with MY flying skills and me backing off the throttles? Everybody here on A.net gets to laugh at me? Little agressive attitu
53 Pilotaydin : I appreciate you discussing this with me Zvezda, even if i got the physics wrong being mach 1 instead of mach 2......with everything else i said that
54 Post contains images MissedApproach : Maybe he didn't turn it on because that particular plane had the optional airbags
55 Post contains images Lrockeagle : Well I got just a little carried away. Sorry 'bout that; the beer does it to me every time.
56 Post contains images Pilotaydin : it's ok my friend. i love beer too
57 Corey07850 : You keep defending that the plane descended at 50,000 ft/min... no one is debating that, if you read your initial post you said 50,000 ft/SECOND... th
58 Pilotaydin : yes i told you that i translated wrongly from turkish and in my later posts i corrected it to ft/min.
59 Indio66 : Round trip bus ticket to the horse track: $2:00 Gate admission to the horse track $1.00 Six pack of Budweiser: $5.00 Screened in porch: $75.00 Tellin
60 AC7E7 : If I'm not mistaken, Douglas tested a DC-8-43 (CF-CPG) before it was delivered to Canadian Pacific Airlines, and it became the first commercial aircra
61 Flyer737sw : This thread has been hijacked...LOL...Some interesting points none the less... Kevin
62 Zvezda : Pilotaydin, I don't think you deserved such a personal hit either. I hope didn't think that I was attacking you personally. That was not my intention.
63 BCALdavid : I'm glad to hear that the seatbelt sign is not on their checklist, I'll not have to rebook for next February (LOL). Thanks for the informed info SWAbu
64 Jetjeanes : So odd you mentioned Sjc to Rno.. I was beat hopping around the country,and had to catch an early Wn flight to sjc from lax.... i fell sound asleep st
65 ORDZW : I was on a flight once where the seatbelt sign was not turned on. Most people realized that the ground was getting bigger and stayed in their seats. G
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