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User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 2446 times:

OK... so DL pilots took a 32.5 percent paycut for 5 years and work rule changes and other benefit reductions....

SO my questions are...

1) Which airline now has the highest paid pilot group??
2) Will this now start a domino effect with those carriers who see this as a new dawn in pay rates for pilots..???
3) Ultimately will pilots world wide be paid less???

I have to think this is a paradigm shift in the airline industry and airline employees and especially pilot groups will be taking a big step backwards in pay..

What do you all think..??





Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
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User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (9 years 12 months 17 hours ago) and read 2424 times:

I think this will leave NWA as the highest paid overall, with SW as the highest paid for the 737.

User currently offlineAa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (9 years 12 months 16 hours ago) and read 2384 times:

the highest paid pilots are now 744 captains at UA or 777 captains at AA. it all depends on what the cap is at each carrier. 70-80 hrs im sure.

User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 12 months 15 hours ago) and read 2350 times:

I don't think so Aa777jr

http://www.airlinepilotpay.com


User currently offlineLono From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 1335 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (9 years 12 months 14 hours ago) and read 2311 times:

So is it (based on 737) Alaska that now has the most expensive pilot contract..???
Am I reading the list correctly...???
If so won't AS have to lower their pilot contracts to compete into the future..???



Wally Bird Ruled the Skys!
User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 53
Reply 5, posted (9 years 12 months 13 hours ago) and read 2282 times:

So instead of giving some sarcastic response with a link to a website what is it then?

I looked at it and it looks to be NW 744 or FX Wide Capt.
For the LCC it looks to be AS.

BoeingFever777,



Faire du ciel le plus bel endroit de la terre.
User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

Oh for Goodness sake Fever, can you not understand that it's a moving target? What do you want to know, how can you place a price on every different thing in each and every different contract, for every Airline?

Gee, you want me to be sarcastic fine.

Lets see I make $168/hr, 18 yrs seniority, topped at 12 yr pay, about 55% of the list just waiting my turn to give up whatever this industry says I need to give up.

Next month I fly 48 hours hard time, dead head 51 hours, flying LGW all month. What way does UA, AA, DL ATA, etc., pay for that? The other person is right, how many hrs flown are different , just know that every airlines is raising hard times.

I pay over $700/mo in insurance and health care, how much does B6, DL UA etc., have employees pay for these items?

There's approx 4000 pilots flying at CO right now, about what 600 at B6, about 9000 at AA, which pilot on which list do you want to take, do we want to take an average, do we want to do the mean wage for the entire airline group, or what?

So just go to the list at the website, look at the top pays and figure out what you want from it. Subtact about 36% from the DL line as of Dec1. Lono, has three good questions that I think are easy to answer.
1) No
2) yes
3) world, hard to tell; USA yes


User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

Look youngman I'm sorry I yelled at you. You are seeing a scared old airline pilot who is affraid of what 4 more years under Bush is going to do to my life, the airlines life, and my family's life.

I am worried for many friends that work at US, AA, and UA. I am worried at the effects and outsome yet to arrive at CO.

So the point is Airline pay in America is not, and will not be going up even for long time employees in any near future. If you are at NW, or Southwest, then well maybe I guess those pilots are still laughing to the bank.

At the sametime I do relize that to very many that payrate of $168/hr seems like a lot. And even to me that is ture, however, for a very long time that was under industy standard. For a very long time it has taken me to get to that pay grade as far as seniorty time goes. I feel blessed to be lucky enough to be here and will do my best for the company, even if paycuts are what is needed.

Again sorry to vent, don't forget to vote.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2110 times:

Pilot pays are down forever. Now flying will be done just for the love of aviation. Just ask my dad, who by the way took a $200,000+ pay cut.  Nuts

-SOAC



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User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2057 times:

Calpilot,

You should be thanking W for the big tax cut. Not only did you and your family benefit, but this economy would have been in even deeper s... had he not done it. The troubles the airlines are experiencing today started long before George arrived in the oval office.

Four More Years



User currently offlineBobs89irocz From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 632 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2017 times:

Pilot pay is down for now, it will be back when the airlines start making money again. Unions will not allow the airlines to make consistant profits and not give back some to the employees when the company can afford it. I dont know a time line for this but im sure its at least 5 years down the road.

How can anyone trust what Kerry saids? Hes smart in a way but also very stupid. He tells everyone what they want to hear. How can you trust a man that doesnt have a real plan?

Same goes for Bush in a way to.....hes dealt with some hard sh!t since hes been in office, but America is hurt and will for sometime but Bush did a very good job handling the problems we have.


User currently offlineCalpilot From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 999 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2000 times:

Roger,

Wrong, the Bush tax have boosted the after tax incomes of the top 1% of the households with incomes of 1Mil, by 10%-compared with a 2.3% increase for middle-income families.

The tax cuts for Millionairs have reduced government revenues by 90Billion a year, more than the lost revenues from tax cuts for 80% of the families making less than $100K.

So Wheres the trickle down effect for middle America.? Lower GNP growth, more jobs paying less than a decade ago, etc. The Airline troubles that had begun before W., might have been there; however, under his leadership this Country has lost foreign business, lost allies, lost respect.

Where's the "Uniter, not a Divider" Where's the "Compassionate Conservative"? W. was a fake.

Bushs obsession with Iraq, rushing to war on false pretenses, without adequate forces, and without wide international backing, and no plan for securing the peace. We now are spending $10Billion a week with no end site.

We now have a $10Trillion national debt projected by 2010, who is going to pay for that? Again the trickle down, right, or maybe the top 1% of Americans will reach into their pockets out of the goodness of their hearts?

I work with a group rate of 40,000 employees, and the best health care rate I can get is $700/month. Tell me how under the Bush paln small business with a handfull of employees in a group will get a much better rate? It's another sham, period.

If Bush is there another 4years, I doubt there will be much of a Airline industry to call a career in the U.S., the person above is right, it's just a job to fly airplanes.


User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1892 times:

Calpilot,

You sound like a Kerry commercial. You can't get your information from someone trying to take someone's job.

Firstly, GDP growth has been up for the last several quarters. I could tell you exactly but its late. It hasn't been called GNP in years. You date yourself.

Secondly, cutting tax rates increases tax revenues. It happened when JFK cut taxes and it happened when Ronald Reagan lowered the top rate to 28%.

Thirdly, you are being paid less because of competition. There are other airlines willing to transport passengers for less money and there are other pilots willing to fly those planes for less money. Get used to it.

Who do you have to thank for that? The Democratic Senator from Mass. Ted Kennedy.



User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1881 times:

Just ask my dad, who by the way took a $200,000+ pay cut.

Oh, Waaaa. His pay cut is still 4x what I make. I shead no tears.



"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 1861 times:

Oh, Waaaa. His pay cut is still 4x what I make. I shead no tears.

Oh, ok, so your telling me you make less than $9,000 a year. I don’t want to be rude, but what you said was the most insensible thing I have heard anyone say. I do not know your story so I am not going to comment, and you don’t know my dad’s story so I EXPECT AND DEMAND YOU NOT TO MAKE COMMENTS ABOUT HIM. I never care if anybody says anything bad about me, but I get very mad at anyone who says anything negative about me dad. For you see, he spent 8 years in the Air Force, followed by 15 years working at US. So what has that got him? Well he is going to make less than my sister when she gets out of college and starts teaching. He is never home more than 5 days a month. All his retirement is gone, in fact, he’s using his savings from good times just to make things meet. So when you go through all this, trust me my friend, I will shred no tear for you either.

(Excuse me for my anger)

-(A very angry) SOAC



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User currently offlineOrdflyer From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 511 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1849 times:

Oh, Waaaa. His pay cut is still 4x what I make. I shead no tears.
Oh, ok, so your telling me you make less than $9,000 a year

I'm a bit confused by your statistics. Not sure where you got $9,000 from, but 200,000 divided by 4 is 50,000.


User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 16, posted (9 years 11 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 1850 times:

I'm a bit confused by your statistics. Not sure where you got $9,000 from, but 200,000 divided by 4 is 50,000.

Nooo the $200,000+ is how much money he has lost. Trust me, he doesn’t make even close to that.

(You really didn't think I sucked at math that much did you  Big thumbs up)

-SOAC



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