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Emirates Outlines A380 Seat Configuration Plans  
User currently offlineGeizistgeil From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 149 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9784 times:

News from rati.com (sorry, log-in needed):

Emirates president Jim Clarke outlines Emirates seat configuration details of their A380 entering service in 2006:

Jim Clarke: "If it [the A380] does what Airbus says it will do, and we have no doubt that it will be any different, against the 747-400 it will achieve seat/mile cost advantages of 24-25% and against the 777-300, the aircraft that we operate now, it effectively gives us a 18% seat/mile cost advantage. So what did we do? We thought that with these seat/mile costs we could actually start to take out seats to bring us a very good cost delta and create some very good passenger features."

In a two-class arrangement seat config will be "in the region of 650". Lower density will be introduced for the long-range flights such as DXB-SYD, DXB-JFK, in the region of 480-490 seats.

Interesting news.

M.



"If the Wright brothers were alive today. Wilbur would have to fire Orville to reduce costs" (H. Kelleher)
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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9689 times:

Looking at how they manage to squeeze 10-abreast Y seating into their 777's, no doubt their A380's will be 11-abreast with 31 in pitch. Fun.

User currently offlineSky0000547 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 9666 times:

Looking at how they manage to squeeze 10-abreast Y seating into their 777's

I personally found the 10 abreast seating on the 777s perfectly fine and quite comfortable. There is no reason why EK will not repeat that on the A380.

Happy Flying  Smile


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9469 times:

Yawn. Here we go again. Let me point out that the BA seating width is one quarter of an inch wider than EK's 777. EK's 330 seat is half an inch wider than BA's. EK's 777 seat is still wider than charter airlines and even a couple of mainstream carriers.

And from 28 flying hours of experience as a broad shouldered bloke, it's fine.

Any more information than just the number of seats?

Geoff M.


User currently offlineRJ111 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 9404 times:

If it [the A380] does what Airbus says it will do

My my thats a big 'if', its good to know Airlines are as in the dark about it as we are.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9318 times:

I'm also expecting EK and some others to install 3-5-3 seating in the A380 if the aircraft performance suffices to handle the payload.

User currently offlinePhaeton From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 406 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 9249 times:

What nationality is Emirates' President Jim Clarke?


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User currently offlineJaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9162 times:

EK give you tons of legroom, pleasant and attractive FAs of both genders, and great food and drink. Even in a ten-abreast 777, these features more than compensate for the extra seat.

In comparison, picture a UA 777 with surly matrons, minimal legroom, lousy food and $ 5 for a shot of bad wine.


User currently offlineSevenair From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 1728 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9154 times:

i think this will be just like a tin of sardines-sorry to support US carriers, but if u want extra legroom, i think you will have to fly AA!

User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 9124 times:

EK international and (most of) AA international have the same 34" of legroom.

Or have AA finally finished fitting out their entire fleet? I remember them advertising "more room" (or whatever their slogan was) long before most of the planes had it. To be fair, so did BA with their club class flat beds.

Geoff M.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8946 times:

""in the region of 650". "...if that quote from Mr. Clarke is true, then most people's realisation (including mine) that the A380 will be nothing short of a sardine can is going to be true!

I can see EK ratcheting up the amount of people once it becomes certified.....



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User currently offlineUadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8909 times:

"In comparison, picture a UA 777 with surly matrons, minimal legroom, lousy food and $ 5 for a shot of bad wine"

jaysit,
not going to dispute surly matrons, but on any intercontinental flight the chances of getting a hot 22 year old bombshell on any us airline is pretty low.have you flown on the ua777??i guess you have not as i will take e+ any day vs the aa,dl product. also what us airline doesnt serve lousy wine????and if your flying intl you get that lousy shot of wine for free on ua.



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8910 times:

No doubt some of the A380s will put on flights to Bangladesh, India and Pakistan because of high-demand. And if Bangladesh still continues to be obstinate about giving more frequencies to EK, expect them to put it on the route quicker.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineContinentalFan From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8902 times:

Geoffm:

Actually, AA's more room throughout coach was done long ago, and now they're starting to remove it to generate more revenue :-(


User currently offlineGeoffm From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2111 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8291 times:

Lol @ COFan! I wondered why the logo "AA more room" seems to be turning into just "AA"!

That does raise an interesting point though (let's ignore reality here and go semi-fictional). If AA had been advertising "more room", at what point does "less room" become legally viable, since advertising laws in this country are pretty strict. In other words, if they had an ad on TV, but then dropped the seats 3 months later, does that constitute false advertising - probably not? Say I bought a ticket after seeing the ad and flew the very next day, and they'd changed the seats overnight - false advertising - most likely? Where do you draw the line between a day and 3 months?

Geoff M.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8242 times:

Looking at how they manage to squeeze 10-abreast Y seating into their 777's, no doubt their A380's will be 11-abreast with 31 in pitch

I don't know why you'd say that. Despite being 10 abreast on the 777, each seat offers a minimum of 34" of pitch, some more than that.

Surely you can agree that the Indian migrant worker markets are best profitable when the plane can seat lots of people.

N


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7479 times:

If EKs 2 class A 380s are going to have 650 pax, I wonder if the J class cabin of the A 380 will be as good or much better than their current A 345 J class product.

I expect to see the 2 class A 380s used mainly on flights to UK-INDIA-PAKISTAN-SAUDIA and a few Far East Asian cities such as BKK/HKG/MNL/SIN etc.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7446 times:

I would expect the 2 class A380s on almost none of those routes except India and Pakistan.

The rest will continue to be served with 3 class aircraft, or in the case of Saudi Arabia higher frequencies.

The 2 class J product is not what is on the A340-500, if I'm not mistaken. It has the 3 class J product.

N


User currently offlineBA777 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 2175 posts, RR: 7
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6415 times:

I wouldnt be surprised if the 380 was limited to a max of 550 seats for the first few years, but we'll see...

Henry


User currently offlineEK345 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 163 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5308 times:

Gigneil,

You will be surprised to know that EK actually operates 3 class aircraft on its Indian routes (eg Delhi), while only a 2 class (F/Y) to Jeddah (Saudi Arabia). The sectors I have flown on EK between these two countries the flights have been booked solid in ALL classes.

EK345



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User currently offlineCarpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2952 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5209 times:

777 10-abreast is very uncomfortable width wise unless one is extremely thin.
I am 5' 9" & 150lb which makes me relatively thin, and I had fight for elbow room and felt extremely scrunched. Of course seat pitch is up to individual carrier. Anything more than a couple of hours in a 10-abreast 777, I want to stay away from such as certain EK 777 & TG 772s.

I figured most carriers will opt for less than manufacturer quoted 3-class seating. It makes a big difference, particularly in a flying metal tube, not being in close proximity to another human. First & business seats will certainly have much more individual space than ever before.


User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4766 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Yes EK operate 3 class A 332s on certain Indian routes such as DEL and BOM and do very well with F and J class loads on those services.

LHR followed by CDG and followed by India are EKs most profitable routes as mentioned by the DXB Khaleej Times newspaper the day which EK announced its newly increased frequencies to CDG!!!


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 3780 times:

Gigneil...i've flown the DXB-KHI sector a bunch of times, just a couple of months ago to be exact....they have a three class configuration on that one also.....even though the DXB-KHI route is packed...I doubt they will use such a large aircraft from the Emirates to Pakistan...as DXB-KHI, DXB-LHR, and
DXB-ISB are their largest United Arab Emirates to Pakistan routes..the distances are not too great...their 330's are doing fine...



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