Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11949 posts, RR: 50 Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 5967 times:
The co-operation between the 45 year old captain, and 30 year old female co-pilot, was non existent as the plane they operated was cleared for takeoff.
The episode occurred on 27th November 2002, onboard a Scandinavian (SAS) flight from Oslo-Gardermoen to Stavanger-Sola in a Boeing 737-600.
After the plane had finished the de-ice, the two pilots forgot to run through the takeoff checklist. This resulted in the plane having flaps, slats, and stability trimming in the wrong position. Flaps/slats were not deployed as the plane rolled onto the runway, and the trimming was set to push the nose down.
After some debate, the captain decided that he would execute the takeoff. At 1000 feet, he would hand over to the co-pilot. But as they rolled onto the runway, and had lined the plane up, he suddenly changed his mind. As the plane was cleared for takeoff he said to the co-pilot "your controls" surprising her.
She accepted the command, and took over control, without a new brief before takeoff. She held the manual brakes on while giving power, resulting in the warning "takeoff power" becoming active. The captain interpreted this as a warning that the manual brakes were still on, and accepted the takeoff roll.
The warning kept going, and while the plane rolled down the runway, the co-pilot finally realized that the flaps were not set. She set the flaps and slats in correct takeoff position, and expected the captain to take over control, and abort takeoff. But the captain did not take over control. Takeoff was completed, but the plane was very heavy on the nose. Instead of lifting off at the usual 224 km/h, the plane didn't take off until the speed reached 298 km/h.
The rest of the flight went as normal, but both pilots requested the rest of the day off as they landed at Stavanger-Sola.
Thom@s
[Edited 2004-10-30 15:56:42]
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Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11949 posts, RR: 50 Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 5778 times:
Yep, that's the one. Unfortunatly I don't have time to translate the whole thing, but it reads roughly what I posted. If there is anything in particular you are wondering about, just ask.
Thom@s
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Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11949 posts, RR: 50 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 5611 times:
From what i could read from the report, the male pilot was stepping in for someone, and had previously requested to be taken off duty, due to a family illness, aswell as feeling stressed at work lately.
The female pilot had recently received a letter telling her that she would become fired from SAS due to cutbacks in the company. The combination of the two situations the pilots were in, made them unable to concentrate 100% she says in the report.
I could not find anything about what happened to the male pilot, but the female was obviously sacked.
The report ends with a remark that companies should get a psycological check of their pilots in situations like in this episode.
Thom@s
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Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 14 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 5348 times:
The report ends with a remark that companies should get a psycological check of their pilots in situations like in this episode.
It's standard procedure in this country to have pilots evaluated for mental stress levels after a case like this.
I would think the captain would have been disciplined in some way; he should have aborted the takeoff rather than continue it. This is a pretty serious infraction, taking off without going through the proper checklist and without verifying that takeoff configuration has been set properly even as you're rolling on the runway... then electing to continue takeoff anyway. I'm glad I wasn't a passenger on that flight...
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Stealthpilot From India, joined May 2004, 510 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5135 times:
“The female was obviously sacked."
?????? You can’t blame one person for this and not the other. If both have to be sacked then ok, both reprimanded them that’s ok as well but why sack only the female pilot? It’s both their fault in my opinion.
Mischadee From Sweden, joined Apr 2004, 271 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4034 times:
Wow. I would have been freaked out if I was a passenger at that aircraft. I am always seated right behind the wing to watch the flaps. I also always are concerned about forgetting about the flaps. Hmm I wonder what would have happened if I would begin to scream to the other passengers that the flaps was not set right. They would sure think I was mad???
Theflcowboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 403 posts, RR: 0 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3069 times:
Uhh - how do you forget the checklist? Isnt that kind of ... you know...obvious?
Thom@s From Norway, joined Oct 2000, 11949 posts, RR: 50 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2308 times:
No problem Stealthpilot.
I wonder if any passengers reacted to the takeoff. Most haven't a clue what procedure is followed during takeoff, so how many thought it was weird that the flaps were up, and that they were going REALLY fast when they took off?
Too busy reading their newspapers anyway.
Thom@s
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L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2206 times:
The positive thing is that they didn't start beating each other like those two Turkish Airllines pilots. Anyone remembers details of the story?
Pilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2498 posts, RR: 50 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 2187 times:
yeah i remember....it was an A340 flight to Asia. They had known each other since military days and were always in competition. They had an argument about what the controller said in english. Those days at TK are almost over THANK GOD, and now it's our turn as civilian pilots to fly....phew
ayd
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IDAWA From Italy, joined Aug 2004, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 2087 times:
How did authorities came to know about this incident? Did they listen to the CVR? I don't think that pilots went around to tell about this story after landing...
L410Turbolet From Czech Republic, joined May 2004, 5394 posts, RR: 19 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2051 times:
How did authorities came to know about this incident?
I imagined how they picture this sort of stuff in cartoons. You know, sounds of breaking glass, thumps, bangs, door bending, puffs of smoke coming from beneath the cockpit door...
Highflier92660 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 593 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2026 times:
That was priceless Thom@s. Fortunately events did not become tragic. What makes this so incredible is the complete breakdown of cockpit procedures training and discipline. Of course what makes this comedy of errors all the more delicious is the male/female interpersonal interaction taking place. In front of a disciplinary panel I can visualize the female F/O responding like most women; pointing to the poor hapless male and saying, " he made me do it. It's all his fault."