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SV Int'l Scheduled Flights To Madinah For Ramadan  
User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3814 times:

Saudi Arabian Airlines fly from KUL twice a week : nonstop to Jeddah SV 823 on Wednesdays, and 1 stop via Riyadh SV 827 on Sundays. Looking at Amadeus schedule for Oct 31st, this 1 stop flight to Jeddah will be via Madinah instead. But this is only for Oct 31st. Looking at other Sundays in the future, the stop will be made at Riyadh as usual.

The flight on Oct 31st is to cater for the high demand for Umrah( * ), which is very popular among muslims worldwide during second half of Ramadan (extra rewards if done doing Ramadan). Most people say that there are nearly as many pilgrims in Makkah/Madinah during the end of Ramadan as it is during Hajj season. So for this week, there'll be no flights to Riyadh from KUL.

( * ) Umrah = Voluntary visit to Makkah, can be done at any time of the year.
Sometimes referred to as a 'mini-Hajj'.

What about in your part of the Muslim world? Any change of SV schedule to cater for umrah travellers during Ramadan?

Schedule for Sunday 31 Oct :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/kyrul/airliners/madinah.gif

Schedule for other regular Sundays :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/kyrul/airliners/riyadh.gif


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3764 times:

Keno, SV also increase frequency and capacity on their MED-CAI route. They usually operate 4x weekly flights, 3 with MD-90 and 1 with 777 (SV316 and SV318), but over the next few weeks 2 flights will be with MD-90 and 2 with 777 and an additonal B741 flight will be put on Monday (SV2302). Additional flights will also be operated on their JED-CAI-JED and RUH-CAI-RUH routes over the same period.

But this increase is 'nothing' compared to Egyptair, who will add 6 extra daily flights on the CAI-JED route in addition to their scheduled 3x daily service and an extra 4 weekly flights on the ALY-JED route to overcome the huge demand.

Unfortunately the Saudi authorities bar any foreign airlines from operating scheduled services to MED, giving SV a complete monoply in the Medinah market.

Horus

p.s. Keno, hope you are having an enjoyable and productive Ramadan.





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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3759 times:

hey this is interesting, im listening to my scanner as i write this. Turkish airlines has put up so many Hadj flights, all extra flights to Riyadh and Jeddah starting with number of 5XXX. Mostly A310s. SV has changed A/C type from 777 to 747-300 and rare 400 to IST from Saudi.

That's all going on for now with these flights.

ayd



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3757 times:

Turkish airlines has put up so many Hadj flights

Pilotaydin, are you sure these flights aren't Umra flights for Ramadan? Hajj is still months away (in January).

Horus





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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3755 times:

whoa! you're right i translated pilgrims from turkish and used it as Hadj, same word in turkish for pilgrim and hadj... (hadji) not the Romanian soccer player  Smile

thanks for that! 1 am does that to ya  Big grin



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3751 times:

Haha, no problem. When I was in Saudi earlier this year I noticed that all Turkish people wore the same clothes. Men wore beige suites and the women wore beige dresses with white head scarves. They also had the Turkish flag pinned to their tops. Do they have to do this or is it an option?

Horus

p.s. Two Egyptian charter airlines, AMC Aviation and Air Memphis are leasing B738s from both Turkish airlines, Sky Airlines and Pegasus Airlines this month.




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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3743 times:

holy cow! THY is giving a/c for lease....i just had my interview with turkish for an FO spot on the A320, we were told that there weren't enough pilots or planes to fly the routes, although the low season is starting with the timetable switch today. That's awesome though the -800s are good aircraft.

As for the dress code, i read in the paper last year they do it so that they can recognize people easily if lost, and also a lot of people go on "tours" from here so they try to keep everyone wearing the same thing for easy everything. kinda makes one feel like sheep huh?
Oh i heard Egyptair flight 737 i think not too long ago tonight on my scanner!
Been to Cairo 3 times..LOVE IT!!

aydin



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3730 times:

Sorry only Sky Airlines and Pegasus Airlines are leasing out aircraft to the Egyptian charter airlines not THY (typo error-my mistake) Big grin I doubt TK will be leasing out any aircraft, they seem to be expanding rapidly and need all the aircraft they can get their hands on.

As for the dress code, I think its a pretty good idea and makes sence especially when you are in the middle of 4 million other people of every nationality in the world. I have to say the Turks seem very sincere in their worship in Meccah (which unfortunately cannot be said about others).

I've been to Turkey twice, once to Istanbul nearly 8 years ago and in 2002 i went with friends to Marmaris. Both times I had an excellent time and the people are great. The funny thing was that every time I went into a shop the workers would start talking to me in Turkish straight away, thinking I was Turk myself...they sort of got embarressed when they realised their mistake. Big grin

So you just heard MS737 land?? They must have been a delay as the flight is scheduled to arrive at 16:30. Did you know today's flight was with an A300 (instead of the usual A320).

Horus




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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Horus, I am enjoying posting with you, for once there is some good convo in some of these forums! I am adding you to my Respect list.
I used to live in Saudi for 13 years, so I loved flying jumpseat on Saudia, now Saudi Arabian lol. Yeah flight 737 was WAy late and I've taken that before we flew right through a CB on an OLD painted A320 when Egypt Air first got them. An A300 would have been an awesome sight in istanbul. I wish to photograph some of the umre and hadj flights when they start!
no worries about the THY error man...correction of error shows a humble person  Smile

ya kardes!



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3692 times:

Horus:

Unfortunately the Saudi authorities bar any foreign airlines from operating scheduled services to MED, giving SV a complete monoply in the Medinah market.

I'm a big fan of your well-informed posts. You might be interested in the fact that for the very first time the Saudi Arabian Government will be allowing a foreign airline to operate flights into Madinah. It will be Garuda Indonesia, who will kick of with Hajj charter flights to MED on December 19. However, the airline is expected to operate regular scheduled services effective the next summer schedule.



User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3646 times:

for the very first time the Saudi Arabian Government will be allowing a foreign airline to operate flights into Madinah.

HB-IWC,
I've heard about Hajj charter flights from KUL to Madinah, but I couldn't recall whether it was operated by SV or MH. Since you are saying that the Saudi govt is only allowing foreign carriers to use Madinah for the first time, I'm assuming that these Madinah charter flights were operated by SV. Would be interesting to find out in the upcoming Hajj seasons as to which airlines will be operating directly into Madinah.

I also came across on these extra Madinah flights for Ramadan from Jakarta :-

SV 827:
CGK-KUL-MED-JED
only on Sun 31 Oct
usually operated as CGK-KUL-JED

SV 815
CGK-MED-JED
regular weekly Monday service

SV 821
CGK-SIN-MED-JED
only on Tue 2 Nov
usually operated as CGK-JED nonstop. SIN only has a single weekly flight to JED. This extra stop in SIN is probably to cater for connecting flights from cities in Northern/Central Sumatra (???)


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4504 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 3630 times:

I don't know if or which other airlines are being allowed into Madinah for the Hajj season this year. I'm just hoping that the spreading out of the flights over two airports will make the operation somewhat more stable. Last year's was a logistical nightmare with accumulating delays and entire batches of pilgrims delayed for 24+ hours because of that. Jeddah King Abdul Azziz is just not up to the job of taking all this extra traffic, and with 210,000 pilgrims on roughly 500 flights from Indonesia alone, the opertions control center can be quite chaotic here.



User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 3609 times:

Pilotaydin, thanks for that. I know what you mean, its great to have a decent conversation on this website. So you lived in Saudi for 13 years...you're probably really fluent in Arabic?

And yeah we all expect loads of pics of Hajj flights from you...don't forget! When I was in Saudi back in January/February I remember seeing 2 TK A310s, 1 A343 and 1 B738 at the JED Hajj terminal at one time! Are Turkish charter airlines allowed to fly Hajj charter, I can't recall seeing any?


HB-IWC, thanks for the complement, and I also follow your well-informed posts (like this one). All I can say it's about time that they opened up MED. Even though Medinah isn't a large city, the amount of pilgrims that flow into the holy city year round is huge. Until recently SV was the only choice, but they offer limited destinations out of MED, meaning that most international visitors had to travel to JED or RUH and connect onto a domestic SV flight to MED (though the majority still travel by buses/coaches on the 5 hour journey). Hopefully the opening of this market will mean easier movements for pilgrims to Madinah, and if they're really opening up MED to scheduled flights, then I'm sure MS will start flights a.s.a.p (Saudi is MS's largest international market and Egypt is also SV's largest market). One more thing...not that I doubt your information in anyway, but how did you get this info?

And I know what you mean about it being a logistical nightmare with loads of delays. When I arrived at JED I spent around 7 hrs in the airport clearing everything (I was alone so it did take longer). Going back was even worse as the airport was much busier. We had to arrive 5 hours before the flight which itself was delayed by 3 hours. I hope the authorities really improve the infrastructure at the Hajj terminal to ease the choas. I understand they wouldn't want to invest too much money simply because the facility is only used for a limited period each year.


KEno, SV have a charter flight routing JED-KUL-MED-JED this week. Its this Thursday with a B744 (SV3871).


Horus




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User currently offlinePilotaydin From Turkey, joined Sep 2004, 2539 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3601 times:

Hey Horus, unfortunately I forgot all the Arabic I learned, i took it for 8 years while there and got along well with all the kids playing football. I've not been there for a long time. When i start Turkish Airlines, i am hoping to bid for a route to Egypt and Saudi, I LOVE the sands when approaching airports such as those nations.
I will try my best to get some pix for those who would like some of the pilgrim flights. I think that MNG airlines is going to operate some flights with their one A300 for Pax flights out for Hadj in the coming months. Aside from that, I think Turkish is the only one allowed between gov'ts to carry from Turkey as a turkish airline. I don't know how strict the Saudis are about this. I do remember being there and i think the system needs a comb over and redesign. The delays here in Turkey because of traffic and airport times there really upset the schedules that Turkish have, because all the A310s are hogged up on thsoe routes and it makes for nightmares here. Talk about chain reaction.

Horus i read your post on the delta thread i started, i remember that unfortunate egyptair flight 990 was a 767 from jfk to HECA.

Take care
masalama sadeek!



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3559 times:

Pilotaydin,

I'm kinda surprised the other Turkish operators are not allowed to serve the Hajj market. That is the same with Egypt where only MS and SV are allowed to transfer pilgrims to Saudi. I think its more to do with the Egyptian authorities protecting state owned MS, rather than Saudi authorities blocking them. This fact is illustrated by Lotus Air (an Egyptian charter airline) who during last Hajj season operated flights from Sarajevo (Bosnia) and Al-Arish (Egypt) to JED. The latter flights were to cater for the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip travelling for Hajj, and NOT the Egyptian market.

And I know what you mean by the knock-on effects delays in JED (during Hajj) cause to an airline's schedules. This is has a huge effect on MS who send every fleet type to JED to cope with the huge demand. For the few days after the Hajj season, when the vast majority of people are returning home, the distruption is the worst.

Regarding the flight 990, it was a terrible tragedy (today is the 5th anniversary). Anyway Egyptian authorities still refute the NTSB's conclusion, as they have evidence to prove otherwise...but that's a different topic. Anyway MS continued to use the B763ER on the route for 8 months after the crash. It upgraded flights to the 777 (in 2000 not 1999) due to high demand and to give it the edge over TWA (767) and Delta (MD-11) who both had flights on the route till 9/11.

I was recently informed by fellow A.net member, Debonair, that German charter airline Air Berlin will operate flights on the Germany-Antalya-Luxor route this winter to cater for German tourists who travel to Turkey and Egypt during the same holiday. I think this is great news and I'm sure it's the first ever air link between Antalya and Luxor. Let's just hope its successful.

And I hope you all the best with your career at TK!

Horus


[Edited 2004-10-31 19:46:31]


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