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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12855 times:

Here is a contrail shot I took last week. I want to say it is Northwest but there are several things that dont look right. First of all, this plane was travelling from basically north/northeast to west/southwest across Green Bay, Wisconsin. Many flights that go from the states to Europe would use this type of route.

I can see what looks like a 747 hump but its only a twin-engine??? It looks like Northwest new colors, but MSP is to the west and a little north and MEM is south - only 1 flight goes to MEM and that's a tri-jet which this is not.

I'm wondering if any of the european spotters on here could recognize this color scheme as one of yours....I think that if a flight was going to say LAX, LAS, PHX, or anywhere in the west from Europe it may take this route.

I'm really curious what this could be.



Here is a link to a bigger version if that might help, when displaying pics in the forum they get downsized:

http://www.bruceleibowitz.net/images/10509.jpg

bruce


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User currently offlineIlyag From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12783 times:

Looks more like Swiss A332 - just from the look without getting too much into routing, which I'm not familiar with

User currently offlineCOAmiG29 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 515 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12780 times:

i did a close up of the plane and it is northwest, not an airbus and no winglest so it may be a 767 200 or a 757 300 good luck with it

i may be wrong tell me what you think



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User currently offlineHA_DC9 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 653 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12764 times:

To me, it looks like a Northwest A320 in the new colors. The wings give it away for me.

User currently offlineJe89_w From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 2360 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12759 times:
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It's an looks like an A320 . . . I'm going to second what HA_DC9 said, it looks like a NW (new colors) A320.

You can see the chubby silverish fuselage, red tail, and the shape of the wings very clearly.

[Edited 2004-10-31 09:03:07]

User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12751 times:

Well NWA does not have any 767. And Swiss has a big white cross on the tail.....I dont see a cross. Also the tail is not full red, there is a white strip at the top and bottom. And there are only 2 wing flap canoes under the wing: an A330 seems to have 3. Here is a Swiss:


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bruce



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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12751 times:

First off,

NW doesn't operate ANY 767 series of a/c. To me I agree that it does look like a Swiss A330. But again the a/c looks a bit too small to be a 330. To me the best bet would be a 767 due to the length of the a/c. I too did a close up of the a/c and the shape of the nose, the 2 engines, red tale, and blueish belly led me to think that it was a Swiss330.


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Thanks again.

UA777222

And it looks too wide to be a 757 and NW's body would be a bit more shiny. Sticking to my bet of a Swiss 330 probably bound for ATL.



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12733 times:

The "hump" is just a trick of the light. The light's coming from in front of the nose and illuminating that area of the plane more strongly than the rear.

It's not an A330, it's an A320. Look at the wings again - if you don't see the difference, you need glasses. Look at the large version of the image at the link in the original post and blow it up if necessary. Compare it with the A330 image posted here. There is an obvious, obvious difference.

When blown up and with some adjustments to shadows/contrast, you can clearly see the winglets also (they're very small, as they are on the real plane, but they're there in the image). There's nothing ruling this out as an A320 and the wings give it away.

I'm going with a Northwest A320. Can't speak of its flight path, but you can't judge anything by a plane's flight path. Going from NY to Japan once we flew over Maine - explain that!

[Edited 2004-10-31 09:06:06]


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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12727 times:

At the beginning of the post I said it was shot last week. The Swiss livery pictured above is no longer operated.

Here's a NWA 757 shot:


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See the two wing flap canoes outboard of the engine there.... But now where could this 757 (assume it is) be going??? What Canadian markets does NWA operate them? Or I should say what city pairs (Canadian + USA)?



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User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12720 times:

Going from NY to Japan once we flew over Maine - explain that!

I'm going to guess that that was the easiest way for the a/c to get a more northern route while still fitting your original route due to winds?

Thanks again.

UA777222



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User currently onlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7092 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12702 times:

Either a LX or NW A330.

User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12691 times:

Now that I think of it,

http://www.nwa.com/travel/trave/route/canada.shtml

No 757, at least I don't think. It's too fat and too short to be a 757. Has to be a NW A320. I shall stand corrected about my 330 comment.

Thanks again.

UA777222



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User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3624 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 12686 times:

Here's the closest angle of a NWA A320 I could find in the database to what's being posted here (just reversed)... obviously from a much closer distance:


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Note the position and number of wing canoes, the distance from the wings to the nose and tail, the sweep of the wings, and any other specific features you can pick out (rather than just the "general shape" of the plane).

I'm going to guess that that was the easiest way for the a/c to get a more northern route while still fitting your original route due to winds?

Yes, vectoring around some pretty major thunderstorms.

Someone want to take a look at NWA's A320 routes and see where this one could have been flying? I'm 100% convinced that's what kind of plane this is.



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User currently offlineBruce From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5049 posts, RR: 15
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12668 times:

I looked up flights from YUL and YYZ to MSP and there is nothing that would arrive between 5:15pm and 5:45pm. One flight at 4:30 is a D93.

The picture was taken at 16:36 and MSP is in the same time zone. straight line distance is about 270 miles from the spot of this photo to MSP.

I should also mention that it is entirely possible that this plane was indeed headed for MSP. I was standing at a beach on Green Bay but when i look it up on a map, the shoreline at that spot was in a slightly different angle and i may have sort of lost my bearings....direction wise. But still, I can't find a city from which a NWA Airbus would come from at that hour of the day.

bruce

[Edited 2004-10-31 09:50:18]


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User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12655 times:

Its a Northwest narrow body Airbus. Most likely a 319. Take a look at the position of the flap hinge fairings on this one.
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Granted its the old color scheme and the flaps are down but you can see how hard those tiny wing fences would be to see at a high altitude. Here's another to give you some perspective on color.
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You can see that in a lot of cases perceived color depends on lighting.


User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 18
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 12621 times:
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Looks like a NW in the new colours and a narrow body Airbus

User currently offlineArkhem From Ghana, joined Jul 2004, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12599 times:

Looks like a NW A320, the wing to empennage distance is too great to be a 319.

User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12555 times:

To me, it looks like an Air Canada Airbus A320

regards,
AMS




User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12524 times:
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Too much red on the tail to be AC.

I'd sat a NW machine,either 319 or 320.



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User currently offlineAMS From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1691 posts, RR: 11
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 12518 times:

If you zoom inn on the tail, you can see its bright red, and it looks like the red leaf of AC.

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8524 posts, RR: 54
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12439 times:
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True AMS,but AC's red Mapleleaf is surrounded by dark green. I'm looking out over LHR's T3 ramp at an AC 763 and 333. There is too much red in that picture for it to be AC.


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User currently offlineTT737FO From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 472 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 12429 times:

Bruce,

I don't have my high altitudes handy, but I can tell you...

Green Bay VOR (high altitude) is a major intersection in the Northern US. There seven different J-Routes into Green Bay. They come from Duluth, Minneapolis, Brainerd, SSteMarie, Traverse City, Milwaukee (Badger--BAE VOR)and Flint. SSte Marie and Duluth eventually feed to trans-atlantic and trans-pacific routes respectively.

Based on the routing you described, my guess is that the aircraft is enroute to ORD from somewhere in Europe. Looks to me like an A330--does ORD get any of those?

The Stevens Point VOR (west of GRB) is also the beginning of major jet routes that feed to the southwest.

You may want to subscribe to a flight tracker.

BTW, I was born in GRB and lived in Allouez as a kid. Go Packers!!

[Edited 2004-10-31 13:37:08]

User currently offlineTolosy From Luxembourg, joined Oct 2003, 357 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 12336 times:

From the first shot, I had the feeling it was NW 320; I might be wrong but I definitely see an Airbus A320.




User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 12285 times:


I would say a NWA A320.



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User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 12213 times:

The Fed ex A310s dont have winglets..they are white on the bottom but that sun would really have to be casting a shado to turn that tail to almost red from purple... its def wider than a 757


i can see for 80 miles
25 Post contains images Planemaker : I think that almost everyone agrees with NWA, and that it is either a 319 or 320. I am leaning towards the 319 for 3 reasons: One, due to the distance
26 Post contains links and images AirplanePeanut : View Large View MediumPhoto © Nik Deblauwe If you zoom in the Other picture, youll see a hint of red int the winglet. Its a Northwest 333/332 Bob
27 N766UA : It's not an A330, it only has 3 flap-track fairings. The A330 has 4. It looks like an A319 or A320 to me.
28 VivaGunners : I will go for a NW A332 too; it's just an impression but it looks more grey than white to me. that's the reson it's not a Swiss plane for me. cheers
29 Burnsie28 : Either way its a NW A319/320, it doesnt have to come from Canada, routes from areas like PVD-MSP go over and near the Green Bay Area, so it could have
30 A319114 : I'm absolutely positive that it is a NW A320
31 Post contains links and images Deltawings : To me it is a JAL View Large View MediumPhoto © Chaocewei DeltaWings[Edited 2004-10-31 18:12:58]
32 Post contains images Burnsie28 : To settle the argument, I blew it up 600%, while heavily pixilated due to the poor quality of the original (Sorry Bruce, it was a little grainy), I co
33 SpdbrdConcorde : i place my bets on NWA A320/319..
34 Bruce : I still cant find any routes that use a narrow Airbus. According to flytecomm there are NO northwest arrivals into MSP during the 5pm hour that come f
35 DC-10 Levo : At first I thought it was a 767 but now when you look really hard you can see the Swiss tail so I'm now saying Swiss A330. DC-10
36 Dtwintlflyer : It is an A320 operated by NW
37 Post contains links Cubsrule : How about NW 511, operated by an A320 Lv LGA 15:00 Ar MSP 17:06 It's certainly feasible based on the time and routing. The great circle route isn't to
38 BCNGRO : I think that it is a NW 319 or 320. Please, correct me if I am wrong but I would say that Swiss A330s are painted in darker colors on its fuselage bot
39 Post contains images OB1504 : As everyone has said, I believe that it is a Northwest Airbus A320. Good day!
40 Post contains images AWspicious : Some amazing answers Anyway, it's a NWA A320. That was entertaining. I've got one I'll post in another thread.
41 N593HA : Good that this thread has come top an end and nearly all of us (including me), it's an NWA 319 or 320. That was also my first impression when I this p
42 Access-Air : Go back to spotting school, its a NW A320 in new colours.... Access-Air
43 Jtnwafsd : Did anyone think just for a moment it could be a NW charter flight they don't always run charters on the weekend
44 TJCAB : My best guess would be a NW 320
45 Ariis : Hi there, it's definitely not Swiss, nor 777/767 (
46 M404 : Perhaps someone can tell us if NW received a ferry of a new 320/19 from Toulouse that day via Gander or Halifax.
47 Groundstop : After thoroughly reviewing this picture, I've decided its a USAirways F100 that has been pressed back in to service. My second guess is a Northwest A3
48 Syncmaster : Just because there is nothing *schedules* during that time does not mean it wasn't coming from New England or Canada, it could have very well been run
49 Vikkyvik : Just for kicks, I haven't read any of the replies. Just from the photos, I would say it is an A320. Maybe a 319, but it looks 320 sized to me. Since i
50 AAplatnumflier : I think that it is a smaller body aircraft. Also I dont think it was coming from Europe. I think it was a NW A320.
51 744 : I thinks it's a LAUDA AIR 767/777 ???
52 Maiznblu_757 : I blew it up to 641.95% and I am 100% sure that its a Wardair A310.
53 Emrecan : Possible Turkish A310-300 ???
54 AlitaliaMD11 : Hey I think it is a Lauda 767 or 777. If Austrin still had its A310s I would say that was one, but they dont.
55 Airgeek12 : It looked kind of like a VS 340 to me.
56 Post contains images Fritzi : Looks like a red X to me!
57 B757capt : looks a lot like delta.
58 Trent900 : Looks like an A320 to me. The wings are definitely airbus! Trent.
59 Bruce : Ok. I think it is an A320. And it very well could have been the flight from LGA-MSP which is scheduled during that time, and operating an A320, becaus
60 Servisairkid : It looks to me like a lauda 777
61 JGPH1A : NWA A330. . . .
62 Pilotaydin : Not an A310, wing chord isnt long enough at the routes , and you can see the fuselage joins the wing routes in the Airbus A320 style. Not and A330, no
63 Besttravel : Maybe a PrivatAir A319? They operate between DUS-ORD.
64 JGPH1A : It IS a NWA A330 - look at the picture - A330, with a red tail and a black logo on the forward fuselage.
65 GKirk : I would say an NW 330-200
66 Baw716 : I'd peg it as a NW A320, probably out of Detroit headed for west coast. WHY? There are some very northerly routes westbound from points east of Chicag
67 N766UA : The number and placement of the flap track canoes clearly indicate an A320 and not a 330 or otherwise. I'd say it's NW as well.
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