Dayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 13765 times:
I saw a 747 with only 3 engines (2 on one wing, 1 on the other) take off from DTW last week. The name of the airline started with "E". Is this the plane that lost an engine over lake Michigan last week? Where would it be going? How can this aircraft be allowed to fly with 3 engines? I would think it would be safer to ferry in an engine than to fly the airplane?
Jetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13592 times:
I think it was one of kallettas junk, but I would imagine it was permited to ferry back to yip which is close by. That plane is going to require more than just an engine, There is major damage to the wing,and the other engine looked to me out of whack...
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4459 posts, RR: 22 Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13525 times:
Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative. You will not see this done on revenue flights, obviously. The DC-10 and MD-11 can be two-engine ferried, for example, as well. 747's, DC-8's, 707's, not sure about 727's...you get the drift.
Obviously it's subject to a different set of checks, balances, and regulations, but if all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted then it's perfectly legal.
Jetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1415 posts, RR: 1 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13478 times:
Did you see the 747 that had 3 engines on one wing... it was ferrying another engine i guess to another a/c. it wasnt funtional but sure as hell looked odd
Okie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2378 posts, RR: 3 Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13438 times:
Sort of off topic but here is an attempted 2 engine ferry flight of an MD-11F recently.
Did not have very good results.
CitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2235 posts, RR: 3 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13408 times:
Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative.
I think that Dayflyer is talking about one engine missing, not inoperative.
This has been done before with the 747. Removing one engine eliminates weight and reduces drag.
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 671 posts, RR: 14 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 13360 times:
The FAA will permit 2 or 3 engine ferries, but there are a lot more checks that have to be accomplished for this to happen. The first is that all of the remaining engines must pass a boroscope. Only certain pilots are permitted to fly a/c with less than all engines operating. As far as I'm concerned, you should always try to fly the engine to the plane, not the plane to the engine. We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC. As for seeing 3 engines on one wing, the third engine is called a "fifth pod". Both the 707 and 747 have been approved to operate this way. It's a good way to transport your engines around but also quite expensive do to the additional drag.
There was also a remark that one of the engines "looked out of whack" whatever that is. Believe me, those 3 remaining engines all have to be operating in perfect synch before that plane is released to fly.
XFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 3958 posts, RR: 36 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 12942 times:
That was a Kalitta Air 747 that dropped one of it's engines into lake michigan a week ago.
The photographer of that 3 engine ferry a few pictures above happens to be assistant chief pilot for Kalitta.
Na From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 9614 posts, RR: 10 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 12805 times:
Interesting is that the aircraft without engine no.3 in the photo above is the same as the one that now lost no.1!
Seems it has the attitude of being a Trijet!
JrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12319 times:
In that photo it said the engine was being carried to the destination on the main deck. Isn't that were the passengers are? I would love to see a picture of that.
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 11957 posts, RR: 51 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12269 times:
JrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 12119 times:
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Dayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 4 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11772 times:
That was Kalitta's bird. They 3 engine ferried it back to their maintainence base in Oscoda, MI last week..
Thanks to Spacepope and other contributors. I learned many things!
Vikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 11758 times:
Also there were some DC-8's that had the ability to pod an engine between the #2 engine and the fuselage...When the Emery DC-8 landed in SWF years ago and clipped the tail off a ABX DC-9 on the runway that DC-8 flew out of SWF on 3 engines. That is to say #1 engine was completely removed for the special ferry flight for maintenance.
Ramerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8107 times:
If you read the caption to the first pic posted . . . you'll find out that this isn't that odd of an operation for katlitta! They had to 3 engine ferry a 741 in that pic too.
I think they need to get serious with their mx!!!!
SR
L-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29352 posts, RR: 62 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 8089 times:
We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC.
I missed that?
I work there and didn't hear a thing about it.
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UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2131 posts, RR: 11 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7881 times:
B4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2595 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 7743 times:
Here's the opposite, a a/c ferrying an engine to another bird
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