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747 With 3 Engines Takes Off From Detroit  
User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 15097 times:

I saw a 747 with only 3 engines (2 on one wing, 1 on the other) take off from DTW last week. The name of the airline started with "E". Is this the plane that lost an engine over lake Michigan last week? Where would it be going? How can this aircraft be allowed to fly with 3 engines? I would think it would be safer to ferry in an engine than to fly the airplane?


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User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14924 times:

I think it was one of kallettas junk, but I would imagine it was permited to ferry back to yip which is close by. That plane is going to require more than just an engine, There is major damage to the wing,and the other engine looked to me out of whack...


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4488 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14857 times:

Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative. You will not see this done on revenue flights, obviously. The DC-10 and MD-11 can be two-engine ferried, for example, as well. 747's, DC-8's, 707's, not sure about 727's...you get the drift.

Obviously it's subject to a different set of checks, balances, and regulations, but if all the t's are crossed and i's are dotted then it's perfectly legal.



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User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1430 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14810 times:

Did you see the 747 that had 3 engines on one wing... it was ferrying another engine i guess to another a/c. it wasnt funtional but sure as hell looked odd


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User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2986 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14770 times:

Sort of off topic but here is an attempted 2 engine ferry flight of an MD-11F recently.
Did not have very good results.


http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20041020X01664&key=1


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User currently offlineCitationJet From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2420 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14740 times:

Lots of multiengine airplanes can be flown on ferry flights with one (in some cases more) engines inoperative.

I think that Dayflyer is talking about one engine missing, not inoperative.
This has been done before with the 747. Removing one engine eliminates weight and reduces drag.

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User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 679 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14692 times:

The FAA will permit 2 or 3 engine ferries, but there are a lot more checks that have to be accomplished for this to happen. The first is that all of the remaining engines must pass a boroscope. Only certain pilots are permitted to fly a/c with less than all engines operating. As far as I'm concerned, you should always try to fly the engine to the plane, not the plane to the engine. We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC. As for seeing 3 engines on one wing, the third engine is called a "fifth pod". Both the 707 and 747 have been approved to operate this way. It's a good way to transport your engines around but also quite expensive do to the additional drag.

There was also a remark that one of the engines "looked out of whack" whatever that is. Believe me, those 3 remaining engines all have to be operating in perfect synch before that plane is released to fly.

Ed



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User currently offlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2897 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 14575 times:

That was Kalitta's bird. They 3 engine ferried it back to their maintainence base in Oscoda, MI last week..


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User currently offlineXFSUgimpLB41X From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 4190 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 14274 times:

That was a Kalitta Air 747 that dropped one of it's engines into lake michigan a week ago.

The photographer of that 3 engine ferry a few pictures above happens to be assistant chief pilot for Kalitta.



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User currently offlineNa From Germany, joined Dec 1999, 10630 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 14137 times:

Interesting is that the aircraft without engine no.3 in the photo above is the same as the one that now lost no.1!
Seems it has the attitude of being a Trijet!


User currently offlineEnviroTO From Canada, joined Aug 2004, 825 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13812 times:

Those pylons don't look like they are in very good condition. Is that dirt on the pylons or are they rusting out?

User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 13651 times:

In that photo it said the engine was being carried to the destination on the main deck. Isn't that were the passengers are? I would love to see a picture of that.

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13601 times:

Kalitta Air 747 operate as freighters, so no pax.


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User currently offlineJrMafia90 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13451 times:

Oh thanks, I figured that but I wasn't sure.

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13273 times:

Read the caption for this shot......

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User currently offlineDayflyer From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 3807 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13104 times:

That was Kalitta's bird. They 3 engine ferried it back to their maintainence base in Oscoda, MI last week..


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User currently offlineVikingair From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 13090 times:

Also there were some DC-8's that had the ability to pod an engine between the #2 engine and the fuselage...When the Emery DC-8 landed in SWF years ago and clipped the tail off a ABX DC-9 on the runway that DC-8 flew out of SWF on 3 engines. That is to say #1 engine was completely removed for the special ferry flight for maintenance.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9439 times:

If you read the caption to the first pic posted . . . you'll find out that this isn't that odd of an operation for katlitta! They had to 3 engine ferry a 741 in that pic too.
I think they need to get serious with their mx!!!!
SR



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29790 posts, RR: 58
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 9421 times:

We've lost a whole lot of big bucks when 275 sat on its' tail last month up in ANC.

I missed that?

I work there and didn't hear a thing about it.



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User currently offlineUAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2146 posts, RR: 10
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9213 times:

Did they ever find that Kalitta engine yet?

User currently offlineB4real From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2629 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 9075 times:

Here's the opposite, a a/c ferrying an engine to another bird


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User currently offlineMUC-PIX From Germany, joined Aug 2002, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 8697 times:

UAL Bagsmasher: Yes, local people found it, note this topic:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1787756/


User currently offlineTiger119 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1919 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7907 times:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1787756/



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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7428 times:
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I don't like the look of the engine holder in the B741 photo. The B741 is a SP freighter.

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