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Goodbye KLM At MSP!  
User currently offlinePremobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 415 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 7111 times:

KLM stopped service to MSP(again). KLM had re-started service into MSP in the spring after a couple of years of not being there. It was the third daily flight to AMS. Now NW took over the flight. I will miss seeing the awesome blue fly over. Any chance they will come back?


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6569 times:

Just saw the MD-11 fly over MSP last Sunday the 24th. It was beautiful, indeed!  Sad

User currently offlineILSApproach From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

Watched AF1 take-off sunday...................but got chance to see last KLM MD-11 into MSP on the 30th.

My daughter's Sun Country flight LAS-MSP was delayed two hours because of the Bush visit! Sent the plane back to FSD for fuel after circling MSP for an hour.

Mike @ MSP


User currently offlineEzra From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 470 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6300 times:

How do NWA and KLM decide which airline covers the various AMS-United States routes? It seems there's a lot of switching back and forth.

User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 6037 times:

I would say how the same way AA and BA figure out LHR-SJU routes.... (Which I don't know how they do).

I hope KLM stays here in SFO. Haven't seen any MD-11's around lately.... It's great to see MD-11's, DC-10's, 777's, 747's, 737's, A320's, A340's, And NOW 330's here down at SFO. Great mix of fine a/c. I think KLM is the only MD-11 operator into SFO other than the DC-10's NW has/had. Did they change the SFO-MSP route to a DC-10 or do they still share the SFO-NRT route until more 332's are delivered?

Thanks again.

UA777222

Ps I mean passanger MD-11's. I know Asian Carriers operate into SFO with MD-11's.



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3452 posts, RR: 10
Reply 5, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5950 times:

KLM hasn't ended service to MSP. They restarted the service as seasonal only, the route will restart in May or June of 2005. Don't worry, KLM will be coming back.

Jeremy


User currently offlineFliboyz From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5290 times:

A BAH-BYE!!!!! ADIOS...SYONARA....ARRIVEDERCI...ALOHA...BYE

User currently offlinePSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7343 posts, RR: 28
Reply 7, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 5251 times:

Not likely that KLM will return for a while, as that flight was started as the new third daily AMS-MSP. Now NW has taken it over with 3 DC-10's going to MSP. NW/KLM operate as one airline operating across the Atlantic and split revenue 50/50 and attempt to split operations evenly.

It makes more sense for NW to operate all the MSP-AMS flights and for KLM to pick up some routes to non-NW hubs to AMS in the United States.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 5057 times:

Ua777222.......was spotting at SFO couple of weeks ago, and indeed KLM was flying the MD-11, but on on Friday, KLM had the Triple-7....

I don't know why they mix it up... Confused



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User currently offlineHB-IWC From Greece, joined Sep 2000, 4480 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4222 times:

KLM and NW interchange routes quite often, so it's likely that KLM will come back to MSP at some point in the future with its own aircraft. However, as someone above stated, it is better for the stability of the operation if NW pick up all the traffic out of its own hubs (DTW, MSP, MEM) and leaves KLM serving the non-hub cities. In case of flight irregularities, which are to be avoided at all cost for inter-hub flights with a high percentage of connecting traffic, aircraft subs can more easily be made.



User currently offlineQm001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 279 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4220 times:

Hi Guys,

As KLM and NWA have a full revenue share on all transatlantic services to the US, as far as they're concerned it doesn't really matter who operates these services, at the end of the day, the income will be split 50-50 anyway.

Thanks and brgds,

QM001 (167 Air Malawi)

PS. I was made aware recently that the US and The Netherlands have a FULL open skies agreement and this appareently the model that the EU wants to base their request on as well.



I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4181 times:

Hmm, makes me wonder how they split the revenue when KLM uses a 777, much more fuel economic than a NW DC-10. Is this taken in to account during this fuel price craziness?

I know that if it is split 50/50, then NW would make out like a bandit when KLM uses a 777. I guess both of them do a bit better, but still?

I am flying NW for the first time today. MDW-MEM-PNS. It is all Pinnacle I think, but looking forward to it.

M


User currently offlineNwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 4053 times:

Few things....

SESGDL...

KLM is NOT returning next year. I just went into PARS and pulled the availability for next just and there are no KL flights listed. The flights are NW042 @3pm, NW046 @ 6pm, and NW056 @ 9pm. All the KL flight numbers at 6000-series numbers which are NW codeshares flown by NWA crews using NWA aircraft. Looks like NWA is doing all the MSP-AMS flying next year  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

ChiGB....

Youre not flying on NW, youre flying on 9E. In no shape, way, or form are you flying on NW. I welcome you aboard one of our 757s or DC-9s... then youve flown on NW.



Go yakkin !!!!!!
User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2645 times:

Noop guys, KLM is NOT returning. By adding a third flight, they're pretty much aware that it's cheaper to use NW equipment into MSP, DTW and MEM, since they're NW hubs.
KLM did 747s/MD11s into both MSP, DTW and MEM.

Instead, they're using KLM jets on non-NW hubs as they changed both Newark/JFK and Washington/Dulles into KLM flights.

Jacobin777... Eventually, the 6 times weekly SFO run will be changed to a 777 service.

And ChiGB1973... That's why NW will eventually dispose the older DC10s and use 333s accross the Atlantic.


User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 491 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

I would say how the same way AA and BA figure out LHR-SJU routes.... (Which I don't know how they do).

BA doesn't fly to SJU at all. So, its easy to figure that one out.

-Daurys


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 12
Reply 15, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 2459 times:

Well reguardless of the a/c KLM's livery is SWEET! And when sitting in the park the a/c taxis pretty close so I get a great view. My two favorate a/c at my one favorate airport!

Thanks again Jacobin777!

UA777222



"It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark."
User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6347 posts, RR: 9
Reply 16, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2367 times:

ChiGB1973,

How about comparing the fuel savings of a A333 with a 777 for the same trip!


User currently offlinePilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2181 times:

A Little KLM at MSP History:

I believe KLM first started service to MSP in 1994 (I was there for the first flight festivities). KLM started with MD-11s, changed to B747-200/300s and finally upgraded to B747-400s. In October of 2001, however, they left MSP.

On March 27, 2004; KLM started service on the MSP-AMS route. Over the next seven months KLM served MSP using MD-11s. On a few occasions KLM did sub out aircraft on the route (just a little treat for MSP spotters). Four days we received B744s and once it was subbed to a B763.

Hopefully the blue birds will be back at MSP sometime soon.


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[Edited 2004-11-03 07:03:06]


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