Premobrimo From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 426 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 7187 times:
KLM stopped service to MSP(again). KLM had re-started service into MSP in the spring after a couple of years of not being there. It was the third daily flight to AMS. Now NW took over the flight. I will miss seeing the awesome blue fly over. Any chance they will come back?
Ua777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6113 times:
I would say how the same way AA and BA figure out LHR-SJU routes.... (Which I don't know how they do).
I hope KLM stays here in SFO. Haven't seen any MD-11's around lately.... It's great to see MD-11's, DC-10's, 777's, 747's, 737's, A320's, A340's, And NOW 330's here down at SFO. Great mix of fine a/c. I think KLM is the only MD-11 operator into SFO other than the DC-10's NW has/had. Did they change the SFO-MSP route to a DC-10 or do they still share the SFO-NRT route until more 332's are delivered?
Ps I mean passanger MD-11's. I know Asian Carriers operate into SFO with MD-11's.
PSU.DTW.SCE From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 7654 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 5327 times:
Not likely that KLM will return for a while, as that flight was started as the new third daily AMS-MSP. Now NW has taken it over with 3 DC-10's going to MSP. NW/KLM operate as one airline operating across the Atlantic and split revenue 50/50 and attempt to split operations evenly.
It makes more sense for NW to operate all the MSP-AMS flights and for KLM to pick up some routes to non-NW hubs to AMS in the United States.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4507 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4298 times:
KLM and NW interchange routes quite often, so it's likely that KLM will come back to MSP at some point in the future with its own aircraft. However, as someone above stated, it is better for the stability of the operation if NW pick up all the traffic out of its own hubs (DTW, MSP, MEM) and leaves KLM serving the non-hub cities. In case of flight irregularities, which are to be avoided at all cost for inter-hub flights with a high percentage of connecting traffic, aircraft subs can more easily be made.
Qm001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 4296 times:
As KLM and NWA have a full revenue share on all transatlantic services to the US, as far as they're concerned it doesn't really matter who operates these services, at the end of the day, the income will be split 50-50 anyway.
Thanks and brgds,
QM001 (167 Air Malawi)
PS. I was made aware recently that the US and The Netherlands have a FULL open skies agreement and this appareently the model that the EU wants to base their request on as well.
I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
Nwfltattendant From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 341 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4129 times:
KLM is NOT returning next year. I just went into PARS and pulled the availability for next just and there are no KL flights listed. The flights are NW042 @3pm, NW046 @ 6pm, and NW056 @ 9pm. All the KL flight numbers at 6000-series numbers which are NW codeshares flown by NWA crews using NWA aircraft. Looks like NWA is doing all the MSP-AMS flying next year
Youre not flying on NW, youre flying on 9E. In no shape, way, or form are you flying on NW. I welcome you aboard one of our 757s or DC-9s... then youve flown on NW.
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 2721 times:
Noop guys, KLM is NOT returning. By adding a third flight, they're pretty much aware that it's cheaper to use NW equipment into MSP, DTW and MEM, since they're NW hubs.
KLM did 747s/MD11s into both MSP, DTW and MEM.
Instead, they're using KLM jets on non-NW hubs as they changed both Newark/JFK and Washington/Dulles into KLM flights.
Jacobin777... Eventually, the 6 times weekly SFO run will be changed to a 777 service.
And ChiGB1973... That's why NW will eventually dispose the older DC10s and use 333s accross the Atlantic.
Pilottim747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1607 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (9 years 11 months 3 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 2257 times:
A Little KLM at MSP History:
I believe KLM first started service to MSP in 1994 (I was there for the first flight festivities). KLM started with MD-11s, changed to B747-200/300s and finally upgraded to B747-400s. In October of 2001, however, they left MSP.
On March 27, 2004; KLM started service on the MSP-AMS route. Over the next seven months KLM served MSP using MD-11s. On a few occasions KLM did sub out aircraft on the route (just a little treat for MSP spotters). Four days we received B744s and once it was subbed to a B763.
Hopefully the blue birds will be back at MSP sometime soon.