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KLM A380 Order?  
User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 7694 times:

I heard a rumor on another forum that KLM had ordered the A380. There was no link to a story so I am wondering if there is any truth behind the story. Would KLM even need the A380?

The supposed order was for 9 aircraft.


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User currently offlineNorthwest717 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 7575 times:

Haven't heard anything about that. If it is a rumor I would say it is just that, a rumor. Are you sure you didn't mistake it with their A330 order? Hope that helps!  Big thumbs up

-Tim  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 7496 times:

I know I didn't mistake it however the poster may have. Any A380 orders for KLM would most likley come under Air France's exitsing order?

User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7446 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7084 times:


I can see that it could be useful for some services, but 9 sounds like a lot of aircraft.

Also with AMS at 5? runways, I would doubt that Slots are going to be a major issue.


User currently offlinePetertenthije From Netherlands, joined Jul 2001, 3353 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

No order. But somewhere on the net (I believe a.net actually) someone was quoting from KLMs internal magazine "de wolkenridder" that in the far future A380s where likely to be used for Asian routes. But I do not have access to "de wolkenridder" so can not confirm if that's true.


Attamottamotta!
User currently offlineBoeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7018 times:

All I ever saw was a A330 talk or a joint order with NW on the 7e7. Although I must say seeing KL paint scheme oin the A380 would be very nice looking.

BoeingFever777,



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 7013 times:

AF-KLM is the same airline now...so in a way, KL will get some A380's !!!

AF has 10 firm orders + 4 Options... when the a/c will be delivered, it will be very possible to base some of them at AMS to operate some important routes.

The A332 that KL will receive soon will finally be configured excately as AF's A332 to offer the maximum of flexibility and they will be used either from AMS or From CDG.

You can bet it will be the same for the A380 and all the future a/c that will be ordered by AFKL


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 6823 times:

The c/s wouldn´t look bad IMHO.
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/photo_search.php?id=00002731

KA.



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User currently offlineAZA330 From Italy, joined Feb 2004, 289 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

I was wondering if the new airplanes are gonna have the two different KLM and AirFrance liveries...should be funny to see a flight like CDG-BOS with a KLM A332  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
Ciao


User currently offlineL10fav From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

I'm sure if KLM wanted an A380 it'd have to be a combi, like the 744s!

User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 6196 times:

No A380 orders or immediate plans

BTW KLm & AF are not one airline, but 2 airlines in one holding group.

We cooperate with AF in win win situations, thats all for now



User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 5903 times:

No order. But somewhere on the net (I believe a.net actually) someone was quoting from KLMs internal magazine "de wolkenridder" that in the far future A380s where likely to be used for Asian routes. But I do not have access to "de wolkenridder" so can not confirm if that's true.

Yeah i was the one who said that, i have access to it Big grin, but they clearly stated that the future of KLM will exist of medium-haul planes like the A330 for all the tin routes and big planes as well as the A380 for Asian routes.




greetings maurice


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5325 times:

I think that if AF didn't have any influence in KLM that they would stick with Boeing. Other than their A310's where were gotten rid of during 89-90ish they have been a very loyal Boeing operator. I don't think that jumping the gun like that would help. I can see some of the older 737's (non-NG) being phased out for A32s. But then again some if not most of their 737's (-300's) are younger than their 744's....

Thanks again.

UA777222



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5113 times:

Keesje,

AFKL IS one Airline... operating two different brands (for the moment) from two different bases, AMS & CDG.

You would be surprised to see how everything is changing so fast in the organisation of AFKL !

From now to the end of 2005, 25 offices downtown will have merged completely, 27 offices in Airports, 36 agencies in Airport, 9 Agencies downtown, 32 common Lounges in Airports ...

The 2 FFP will merge completely in 2005 to form only one single new FFP.

AFKL serves 106 destinations on the Haul-Long network : ONLY 36 remained served by both AF & KL. 47 are served by AF only, 23 are by KLM only.
Slow by slow, there will be only 1 Station Manager in each city served, THR and KWI should the first ones ...

More changes should be announced for the next summer season...


User currently offlineMauriceB From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 2489 posts, RR: 25
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

I don't think that jumping the gun like that would help. I can see some of the older 737's (non-NG) being phased out for A32s. But then again some if not most of their 737's (-300's) are younger than their 744's....


well don't think they will jump on the A320. a hand full of 737-300's and 400's are already been replaced with 737-800's and 900's and F-100's (wich routes will be replaced by an ex-malev plane ,starting this week. recently the 5th 900 came in and replaced a 737-300....


User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

FLYSSC, the same kind of deals were made with NWA along time ago, still we are not one airline.

User currently offlineScorpio From Belgium, joined Oct 2001, 5014 posts, RR: 44
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 4825 times:

UA777222,

I think that if AF didn't have any influence in KLM that they would stick with Boeing.

Don't forget that KLM ordered the A330-200 quite a while before AF came into the picture...


User currently offlineHotje From Netherlands, joined Jul 2004, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4777 times:

Keesje,

ur wrong. AF has the majority of shares of KLM. KLM is not a separate airline anymore. They're nothing more than a brand in the Groupe Air France.

The deal with NW was unique in the period it started, early 90s. A strategic partnership on the North-Atlantic service, which in the end turned out pretty successfull for both airlines.


User currently offlineBill142 From Australia, joined Aug 2004, 8439 posts, RR: 8
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4757 times:

Just because Air France owns KLM does not make them one airline. If they are held in a holding company they are separate units with common ownership.

For example my holdings company used to own two separte businesses doing similar things. They were separate businesses with common ownership.


User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days ago) and read 4567 times:

KLM told me categorically two months ago that they were not going to order the A380.

User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7402 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4202 times:

the same kind of deals were made with NWA a long time ago, still we are not one airline

Well KEESJE, that's not what I would call the same kind of deal : Does KL owns 100% of NW ? or Does NW owns 100% of KL ???  Wow!

KLM was BOUGHT by Air France. The two airlines were MERGED into one new airline called Air France-KLM who keeps operating two different brands AF from CDG and KLM from AMS.

That's the deal, and that has nothing to do with the KLM/NWA cooperation agreement signed a long time ago.

Af did with KLM what they did with Air Inter in the mid 90's :

Air France Bought Air Inter. The two airlines merged, but two "preserve" Air Inter identity, A "Holding" was created and called "Compagnie Nationale Air France.
This holding was covering two subsidiaries : Air France based at CDG, operating flights under the brand "Air France", and "Air France Europe", operating domestic flights from ORY under the brand "Air Inter Europe".


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The two "subsidiaries" were finally merged into a single company "Air France" on April 1st 1997... operating one single brand : Air France...


User currently offlineBobnwa From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 6443 posts, RR: 9
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4137 times:

Backfire,

"KLM told me categorically two months ago that they were not going to order the A380."

Who at KLM made this statement to you? It must have been someone very high up to make that strong a statement?


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