Aa777jr From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 4 hours ago) and read 2434 times:
MSN Type Active from To Registration Remark
19922 (96) 747-206B 01/09/1989 25/10/1989 PH-BUA To America West Airlines
as N531AW
20398 (152) 747-206B 16/07/1990 02/05/1992 N534AW To Garuda
as N534AW
20398 (152) 747-206B 13/07/1992 31/03/1994 N534AW To TWA
as N306TW
Any information on these three birds? What routes did they operate? How long were they with America West?
AviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2359 times:
Jfrworld From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 362 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 2347 times:
Yep, AWA acquired a total of 4, 747-200's in 1989 when they began nonstop service between PHX/LAS and HNL. I believe they chose the 747 because this was before ETOPS was granted between the mainland and Hawaii and you couldn't fly a twin engine jet that far over water. Also, HP had their sights set on the pacific rim as well. In early 1991 during the gulf war, they started one stop service from PHX/LAS to Nagoya, Japan via HNL. The service to Japan didn't even last a year and they ended up selling the route.
The 747's to Japan and HNL represented the excesses of the Ed Beuvais run America West. Bancrupcy followed and the 747's were gone by 1992.
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2296 times:
i know that two were broken up in kingman, there is still one nose section left up there in old hp colors
EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9286 posts, RR: 13 Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2227 times:
WOW! Japan for HP? that is awesome!
Awesome..?? No, it nearly put them out of business. The costs to run these routes where the main driving force in AWA demise in the early 90's
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
AirAmericaC46 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 590 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2141 times:
HP 742s also operated nonstop to JFK both from LAS and PHX. I loved those birds on that HP logo!!! I hope to see an HP 744 operating LAS/PHX to NRT, LGW, JFK in the future!!!
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2098 times:
I believe they chose the 747 because this was before ETOPS was granted between the mainland and Hawaii and you couldn't fly a twin engine jet that far over water.
Not true. 757/767 was operating ETOPS by 1989. The acquisition of 4 742's was simply sue to erroneous market analysis. AWA also ordered 2 744's.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 8737 posts, RR: 52 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2068 times:
I just have to wonder what would have happened if they had purchased 762ERs instead of the 742s. The 762ER was available at the time and had the range and ETOPS certification to run to HNL and Nagoya. It had commonality with the 757s too. If they had gone this way, would it have been such a failure? I think they wouldn't have been hurt as much, especially because I've heard that the load factors on the 742s were ridiculously low. If they went for 76s would they be in Europe now? We will never know, but it is fun to speculate.
If you have never designed an airplane part before, let the real designers do the work!
Byrdluvs747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 2140 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2057 times:
The costs to run these routes where the main driving force in AWA demise in the early 90's
No. It was the lack of passengers. HP's load factor on those flights was very bad.
The 747: The hands who designed it were guided by god.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1918 posts, RR: 10 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 1942 times:
I once flew on one all the way from PHX to LAS. I recall it being a packed house. On the return, I looked forward to another America West 747, but instead it was a Dash 8!
Flyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1788 times:
up in kingman, at the america west express ticket counter, the comment cards they still have there are from those old days. it still has a picture of a hp 747 on it in the old colors. when i was driving through on the way to laughlin we stopped at the airport to take pictures of all the stored a/c, and we grabbed a couple, that was the end of aug.
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