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Air Canada Expands In South America  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5363 times:

Air Canada is expanding its flights to South American destinations, adding LIM to its network and boosting flights to EZE and GRU.

The following are the improvements in AC's route network in South America:

LIM = added to network, 3 x week nonstop flights;

EZE = increased flights from 3 to 6 x week (3 x week nonstop; 3 x week stop-over in SCL);

GRU = boosted flights from 6 to 7 x week nonstop;

Other AC destinations in South America are:

SCL = 5 x week

BOG = 3 x week

CCS = 2 x week

Further expansions are expected for 2005, which means that AC sees South America as central for its development.

YYZ is also becoming a major connection point for travellers from South America to Asian destinations, especially Japanese-Brazilians travelling from GRU to NRT (via YYZ).

Hardi


[Edited 2004-11-03 14:29:38]

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User currently offlineFLY2LIM From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1184 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Just about ten minutes ago I paid for my brother to fly YOW-YYZ-LIM on AC in February. The fare was very, very cheap, so they must be heavily promoting this route.
FLY2LIM
PS, I won't waste your time explaining why I'm buying my older brother airline tickets.  Smile



Faucett. La primera linea aerea del Peru.
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5203 times:

AC is pretty inexpensive. When I was planning my trip to BA next week, AC were offering £490 for LHR-YYZ-EZE return (via SCL), but instead I chose IB because for an extra £150, it cut 8 hours of journey time each way.

Are AC ever going to send their A340s to EZE or SCL?

Regards,

ZXV




How do you say "12 months" in Estonian?
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5163 times:

Pending future widebodied deliveries, don't think you'll see Airbus equipment touching down in South America for a while.

Asia is prioritized for A330/A340 replacing the existing B763's on many routes. Also think TLV would see an A340 before South America does, based on market economics.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5127 times:

LVZXV:

I also agree that the the 767s which AC uses to cover GRU, EZE, SCL and LIM (A319 are used for CCS and BOG) are more than enough to cover demand on these routes. GRU is the only destination served daily in the region, so the A340 would seem overstretching too much.

Indeed, AC offers competitive fares to South America via YYZ, as do many US carriers via the US - but as you said, you would need to add extra journey time which makes the trip unpleasant, unless you plan a stop-over.

YYZ is an excellent connection point for destinations in Asia though.

So what would be the next AC destination in South America? I think that AC will go for consolidation in the destinations they serve (as most are not served daily) before any new destination in the region.

Let us not forget that until very recently (2002/03) AC served both EZE and SCL via GRU codeshare with RG (and for some time with a stop-over in GRU). So the recent AC expansion in the region has been very aggressive in my point of view.

Regards,

Hardi


User currently offlineChiguire From Venezuela, joined Sep 2004, 2003 posts, RR: 16
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5050 times:

Hardiwv,
a small correction to your original post:

CCS is 3x week


User currently offlineAlektoronto From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 328 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5052 times:

I don't see AC using 340/330 on the Latin flights anytime soon. adding frequencies with a 767 or 320 is better than a larger aircraft.
I fly the YYZGRU all the time and it is always packed..the daily service is excellent news.
As far as other destinations in Latin America I think AC has hit all the major ones they need ..GRU/EZE/SCL/LIM/BOG and CCS. The only ones I can fathom they could add would be Rio GIG and perhaps Panama City PTY. Somehow I dont see AC in MVD, UIO, GYE, etc..
Good to see them doing well in that region. I hate flying there via the US.
cheers
Alek


User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4986 times:

I was looking to book AC YYZ-LIM in March in Excutive class. I find it inteteresting that they are not matching the fares of CO and DL in the upper class. AC was almost US$1,5000.00 more the CO and DL. Granted, it is non stop, no US Customs, but for $1,500.00? I wonder why they are so much more expensive?

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4856 times:

Alektoronto:

Indeed, AC is doing pretty well in South America, and its flights to GRU are very popular as increasing numbers of Brazilians are using YYZ as connection point. I also see AC increasing flights to the region, but no new destinations in the near/medium future, appart from possibly GIG.

AC also has popular destinations in the Caribbean such as HAV, BGI and MBJ.

Chiguire:

Thanks for the correction. CCS is served by AC 3 x week.

Regards,
Hardi


User currently offlineAero From Germany, joined Oct 2004, 181 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4796 times:

I flew this year AC FRA-YUL and LGA-YUL and YUL-OHR...
Great flights! Just found the B747Combi too old and old fashion. Within Canada and US they flew modern A320. Good Service.

Glad to see AC in LatAm. Does anybody knows about AC´s load factor/level to SCL and BUE?
Regards,

Pablo

ps: I´m going to check FRA-YYZ-SCL for my flight down south on Feburary.



LAN...the star of the Latin American skies
User currently offlineCayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 4720 times:

Chiguire--

CCS was 3x week--I am not sure if it is temporary but it is definitely gone down to 2x week--I know, my wife showed up in CCS to fly to YYZ on the WE flight last week and there was nobody there at AC! They didn't call either to let her know her booked flight was canceled. I have no problem with AC but I was a little diapponited in this lack of service--

Does anybody know why its redcued to 2x week? I understand loads were pretty good. Is it a temporary reduction? Regards,


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4641 times:

TONYBURR -
Think you booked LIM, just as the new service was announced, as there have been all sorts of promotional J/C fares to introduce the new service since.

AERO-
Flights to SCL and EZE are generally packed, and the only thing preventing the flights from being "split" and operating separately, is lack of available metal. Also loads between SCL/EZE/SCL are full given very attractive fares.

CAYMAN-
Many routes in November (being a low peak travel time), have been reduced to accomodate what is generally the heaviest maintenance month of the year. Add to that, the new livery being painted on the aircraft. Some routes which have seen a frequency dropped per week include CCS/TLV/CDG/LIM to name a few. CCS goes back to three-times weekly in December. Also until recently, GCM was showing the four-times weekly schedule for the winter season, but given the hurricane devistation on the island, it's been scaled back to 2 or 3 flights weekly.

Also on the radar screen for Central/South America expansion:

Toronto - Quito/Rio/Guatemala/Salvador




Above and Beyond
User currently offlineTonyBurr From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1021 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4629 times:

FLYACYYZ I have been calling AC since it was announced a few months ago, and about every ten days up until today and the price has been consistent. I thought they would have some good intro fares on the route, but they have not. Really disappointed I wanted to take them, but not for that much difference. Maybe they did on other new routes but not LIM. I thought they would at least match other carriers, but guess not after all this time. I even looked at other dates and it was the same price. Really too bad.

User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 966 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4596 times:

ZXV

AC did indeed send the A340 briefly to GRU back in 2002 IIRC. The flight continued to EZE. After one month or so they discontinued the A340 and reverted to the B763.

Saludos

Renato

[Edited 2004-11-04 00:44:24]


"ad astra per aspera"
User currently offlineSOUTHAMERICA From Colombia, joined Dec 2003, 2497 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4585 times:


It is said that the Air Canada service to BOG has been quite a success too. In fact, this year the YYZ-BOG-YYZ route was going to be upgraded from A319 to 767-200, but never knew what happened at the end (did the decision get cancelled?)


The only ones I can fathom they could add would be Rio GIG and perhaps Panama City PTY.

GIG would be nice, but since it is a typically low-yielding market I guess it would be far from receiving the service GRU gets. About PTY, well actually Copa is the one who has considered seriously this market at one point, so it would not be strange to see them jump in before Air Canada.



SOUTHAMERICA


User currently offlineAer From Guatemala, joined Mar 2004, 1048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4537 times:

If AC is considering GUA, all I can say is that it's about time.


nice and spacious airports in need of new airlines and flights... GUA or FRS anyone?... anyone at all?
User currently offlineEMB195ER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 254 posts, RR: 8
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4498 times:

Hi everybody!!!

I think a good strategy to AC is to add GIG as an extension of the GRU flight, what is very logical.

Hugs,

EMB195ER


User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4386 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4484 times:

AC´s loads here in BOG are reported to be awesome. In the low-90s range. A question: Have they been looking at PTY?


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineCorners From Canada, joined Dec 2000, 49 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4157 times:

Whoop-dee-doo! AC flying to Lima, lets not make a big deal about this....Canadian Pacific, CPAir, Canadian Airlines Intl used to serve Lima from Toronto AND Vancouver nonstop with DC8's and DC10's for many years.

User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3703 times:

SOUTHAMERICA:

GIG is not a low-yielding market anymore. Of course you cannot compare it to GRU, but GIG area concentrates the oil industry/business in Brazil which guarantees high yields. Just look at AF recent expansion in GIG. AF has a dedicated " petroleum club" service for GIG.

S.p.a.s.:

Thanks for the correction.

Hardi


User currently offlineEurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3626 times:

Did Air Canada ever fly to Rio de Janeiro and if so, are there any plans for them to resume the service?

I would have flown AC to Rio 2 years ago... I took Delta instead (YUL-ATL-GIG)



If there is a will, there is a way
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3535 times:

Air Canada per say has never flown into Rio. It was previously served by Canadian--does anybody have the dates and the routing??

On a side note in the late 80's, AC operated a weekly 747 charter flight between YYZ and Recife on behalf of Sunquest Holidays.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3380 times:

Most probably Canadian flights operated YYZ-GRU-GIG.

In addition, VP (Vasp) also had 4 x week flights on the route GIG-GRU-JFK-YYZ, which ceased in 2001.

Most probably CA next destination in the region will be GIG, although CA has a strong cooperation with RG and uses its feeder routes from GRU.

Hardi


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