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Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3014 posts, RR: 2
Posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8372 times:

As I have shares in BAA, I just watched the webcast of BAA financial results for the last six months and they annouced at the press conference that they have struck an agreement with the Star Alliance for Terminal 1 to become there Hub and all participating airlines will switch their flights to this terminal.

This makes common sense and must be great news for BMI to offer smooth transfers to passengers travelling on UK regional flights to connect on to long haul flights with it partner airlines. They annouced no date for this but assume will happen around the time Terminal 5 opens.

There has been much concern in recent years BA was getting all the preferential treatment at LHR as they will be switching all their routes to Terminal 5 when this opens and is envisaged Terminal 5 will become a One World Hub.

At Present as you can see below the current situation is very messy and by allowing all the flights to depart from one terminal will change dramtically how flights operate at LHR.

Air Canada - T3
Air New Zealand - T3
All Nippon - T3
Asiana - T4
Austrian - T2
British Midland (BMI) - T1
Croatia Airlines - T2
LOT - Polish Airlines - T1
Lufthansa - T2
SAS - T2
Singapore Airlines - T3
South African - T1
TAP - Air Portugal - T2
Thai - T3
United - T3
Varig - T3


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User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1008 posts, RR: 8
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8260 times:
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Makes sense. What happens if Virgin and BMI tie up? Does T1 have capacity to handle that traffic as well?

Best,

Wasim / Planemannyc


User currently offlineTheBigOne From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 240 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 8172 times:

Terminal 1 is a little in need of a facelift to say the least. I am surprised that Star is willing to settle for such a terminal with such poor facilities.


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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8133 times:

The Big One,

I think that the entire central terminal area is in need of a facelift. I agree with you though. Perhaps BAA has plans to revamp the T1 area before Star takes over.


A couple of questions. When is Star to move their operations to T1? Second, where will the European carriers go? Will Virgin be given control of T4 (and maybe other intercontinental carriers sent there)? What about T3? I assume that if T5 becomes a Oneworld hub and T1 becomes a Star hub, and perhaps T4 becomes Virgin's home (and all intercontinental ops), a large portion of the traffic in T3 will be gone. Would that make T3 the new European terminal? Or would Virgin and the intercontinentals stay in T3 and have the European airlines move out to T4? Any word?


User currently offlineSk945 From Sweden, joined May 2002, 432 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 8099 times:

I thought SAS use T3 for the moment. They have just open the new Scandinavian lounche there, wish they use together with Air Canada.



User currently offlineVS045 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 192 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7929 times:

I am not sure, but I think vs will stay in T3, as they have just redeveloped the clubhouse, costing quite a lot, I think its on two floors now. To move to T4 would be very costly as well as time consuming and above all, pretty pointless.

Cheers,
VS045



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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7879 times:

Does T1 have enough gates that can handle widebodies? The morning period could be a bit of a squeeze!

User currently offlineZKOJH From China, joined Sep 2004, 1686 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7855 times:

can't wait for this to happen, as i fly with BD and NZ a lot , will make my flghts a lot more comfortable!! yipy bring it on Star


NZ 787-9 flying between PVG - AKL ! CAN'T WAIT!!
User currently offlineEg777er From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 1837 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7829 times:

Article in the Financial Times this morning about this, it is strongly suspected that Skyteam (AF/KL) will get Terminal 3.

User currently offlineFbgdavidson From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 3706 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 7807 times:

Sk945, SK and AC are in Terminal 3. They occupy the rather nice London Lounge. A few pics I took on a recent trip through there:




Wheelsatc, many widebodies at T1 could cause problems. Currently BA fly to SFO, LAX, JNB, HKG andd NRT from there and a 747 takes up two gates. Also El Al and SAA fly 747s from there. As it stands the terminal seems to cope at present levels although if a large longhaul operation were to move to T1 it would cause a few issues.



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User currently offlineBSU747 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2004, 172 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7769 times:

Correct me if I am wrong but I heard that they are knocking down a pier at T3 to make room for some new gates to accomadate the A380 which if true would suggest that T3 still has a role for long haul travel so maybe VS will stay in T3.

BSU747



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User currently offlineWheelsatc From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 111 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 7726 times:

FbgDavidson - true their are currently a number of widebodies operating at T1 but they are often moved off stand shortly after arrival. The SAA aircraft spend all day at the maintanence area while the BA aircraft are rotated quite efficiently. I think if you had to park all the United and Air Canada arrivals in the morning there might not be room.

Regards



User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7515 times:

"Terminal 1 At Heathrow To Become Star Alliance Hub"

I have posted this info on more than one occasion on this site months ago from my inside sources.

And just for the record, VS are planning on staying in T3 - hence the huge investment in the new Clubhouse as VS045 said. Think about it, when all the STAR carriers move out, there will be loads of gate space freed up.

Although the plans I have seen for the future is that Virgin would like the Clubhouse above Check-in where B.K. and those crappy restaurants are now, but that all depends on what the BAA are going to do with the space between T3 South Wing and the new Pier 6.

Just for interest, work has started on a new Multi Storey Car Park in the spaces around the big silver Heathrow Express Buliding in the Central Area.

In the plans that I mentioned earlier, it showed Car Park 3 being pulled down and the front of T3 being moved out basically as far as the end of South Wing at the moment making the check-in hall over double the size.

 Smile



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User currently offlineIowa744fan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 931 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 7437 times:

Skyteam will get T3? Correct me if I am wrong on this, but does Skyteam really need their own terminal at LHR? How many ops do they even have? None of the US carriers in Skyteam fly there. Air France, Alitalia, KLM, and Czech (?) all fly there, but none of them operate large aircraft of the 777/340/747 size there? So, why would they be going to T3? I know that they do fly some widebodies occasionally, but Korean is the only SkyTeam member who regularly flies 747s into LHR, no?

How big is T2? Woud T2 be large enough to house Skyteam? Do they have any widebody jetways for Korean though? Any word on what will happen to T4? Will many of the other intercontinentals move out there?


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 6838 times:

T1 does have quite a few widebody stands: 123,125,127 and 134 tend to get used by SAA, CY and BA. Also the Europier can take widebodies and often does now that there is more BA long haul operating ex-T1. When I was there two weeks ago there were 4 BA 744s lined up on the Europier. Plus there's the remote 170 and 171 which are used by BA 744s. Quite whether it has sufficient widebody stands to cope with Star carriers is debatable but it could always be adapted if necessary.

I believe the plan is that when T5 is introduced it will "let the lid off" the pressure on the CTA and possibly permit BAA to close at least T2 to revamp it.

Iowa744fan - T2 takes the A300s of OA and LH, and I have seen a photo with a CX 744 on stand there. However, it is in desperate need of revamping, the check in area is horrible and I'd hope that this would be a priority for BA before opening it to any alliance.

As Leezyjet has stated VS will be wanting to stay in T3, T4 is not the most accessible of terminals airside, there's often delays crossing 27L/09R and a huge rise in fuel costs overall...

BSU747 - yes the new pier 6 will be capable of handling A380s, that's the most westerly pier of T3. In other activity at T3, I noticed on Sunday morning the tower is now in place  Big thumbs up.



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User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6772 times:

Its about time KLM, Air France, Aeroflot, CSA, Alitalia, Korean Air, Malaysia Airlines and Kenya Airways all operated under the same roof and opt for Terminal 4 - when BA vacates and relocates to T5.



User currently offlineLetit From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 45 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

The report in the 'Independent' yesterday said:

T1 - Star after a facelift
T2 - Non-aligned European traffic
T3 - Non-aligned inter-continental traffic (i.e. including VS)
T4 - Sky Team (!)
T5 - One World


User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 6659 times:


If STAR go exclusively for T1, it's going to fail miserably. T1 is by far the worst terminal at Heathrow. BMI has its operations there and maybe you could also move in some euro star members (SK,OS,LH,TP,LO) but can you imagine United 777's there as well? Add to this SQ and TG 747's oh, and South African's 747's, now throw in a few Air Canada widebodies and...........tada....total agony for passengers. Sure it will be amazing for STAR connections, but its overcrowded enough as it is for domestic flights!

Good Luck is all I have to say. Even after renovating the Terminal, it still won;t be big enough.

I say STAR would be better using T3, keeping T1 for UK domestic and intra European flights. All long Haul flights would use T3 (as most currently do) and T5 would be One World. T2 can be used for european carriers while T4 could be all long Haul carriers. This give Star T1 and T3, T2 goes to european flights/airlines, T4 goes for Long haul and T5 is One World.


Just a thought.



User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6533 times:

Actually, T1 is the busiest terminal at LHR. Also, it's not really "by far the worst terminal at Heathrow", most would say T2. It may lack the necessary infrastructure at present, but with some investment in the right place I think it would easily be able to cope with Star, particularly with BA moved out.


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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7124 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

Come off it... T1 is huge, and BAA will easliy re-configure some of the gates to accept more widebodies. BA have a considerable wide body operation there these days, as do ELAL, SAA and Cyprus airways. SAA are moved during the day as the aircraft would otherwise sit on stand all day everyday.

The condition of Terminal one is quiet good, and BAA have managed to reonvate a large part of the terminal and build new piers.

Perhaps the UK domestic and Ireland gate areas of T1 could be reconstructed to become the AC area, with the BA long haul gates becoming the UA area (no transfer from UA and AC at LHR). Lots of renovation needed, but it could easliy be done. Thai could share the UA gates as hours of operation tend not to overlap the UA operation.

SQ could take the EL AL / Cyprus air gates, with BD and LH, alongside SK taking the connection gates in-between. Could make for quite smooth transfer operations.

T2 will become a ghost-town, with T4, housing AF, KL, KE, SV, etc... Ghost town2.



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User currently offlineCragley From Australia, joined Jul 2004, 427 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6501 times:

Please advise where all these airline check in desks will be?

HAHAHA



User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7124 posts, RR: 57
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 6488 times:

Cragley... when was the last time you were in T1... the check-in hall is large, and there is a new BA premium extension..... Take BA, and EI out of T1, and you have plenty of room for LH, SK and long haul. Long haul carriers to the US/Canada and Asia dont overlap considerably, allowing for combined use of check-in desks.

With more and more online and self service check-in - expect check-in areas to become smaller.

A combined Star terminal could potentially allow for a star alliance combined check-in area. That would allow so much efficiency and cost savings for the airlines involved.



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User currently offlineBacxboys From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 42 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6291 times:

sorry to have to throw a spanner In the works!! As an employee of CX at LHR we are constantly hearing all sorts of rumours about T5 and Oneworld.
There are no plans at present for any other Oneworld carriers to move to T5 when it opens. There simply will not be the room for operations such as IB and AA.
The latest is that T3 will become a Oneworld terminal and contain all AA,IB,EI(if they remain a OW memeber),AY,CX AND QF operations.
Again this is rumour, however the reason behind is that baggage connections between T3 and T5 are better and already being planned.
But hey who knows!! We will probably the last to know.
And to all of you who say the airport needs a facelift!! You are right but remember some of us have to work there too!! and its Grim, but maybe BAA needs to invest more in these areas and not so much into what shop its going to open next.


User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6271 times:

Cragley - the T1 check in hall is very big and plenty large enough to accomodate all the Star carriers, or at least it was when I was there three days ago  Big grin.


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User currently offlineRoblondon70 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2004, 89 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

Re:Bacxboys' point about capacity at T5. How many gates/stands will it have. Does anyone have a link to proper plans rather than promotional material?

25 Qantasclub : Yay. That means Qantas (us) and Oneworld will get the brand spanking new T5.
26 JGPH1A : Re: Perhaps the UK domestic and Ireland gate areas of T1 could be reconstructed to become the AC area, with the BA long haul gates becoming the UA are
27 Post contains images Cragley : LHR27C - are you sure it was HEATHROW T1??? Been there 3 times in the past fortnight and its a dive. HUGE queues, 3 check in staff and bags everywhere
28 BestWestern : Allow me to dream for a second... I would like to see BAA retrofit the central Area, starting with T2 and the Queens Building location. Terminal 1 ext
29 JGPH1A : BW - that's a nice dream ! VS do need a decent terminal of their own (maybe the inner north wing of T3 would do, I don't know - but they seriously do.
30 Fbgdavidson : LHR27C - are you sure it was HEATHROW T1??? Been there 3 times in the past fortnight and its a dive. HUGE queues, 3 check in staff and bags everywhere
31 UK_Dispatcher : It makes me wonder what will happen if BD and VS merge. Will the joint BD/VS still be a member of Star Alliance?? This would certainly throw a spanner
32 Post contains links and images Iowa744fan : It was mentioned that checkin facilities could be combined for all of the Star carriers. A quick question. Do you think that this will require more co
33 Post contains links Geoffm : Iowa, this might help: http://www.baa.com/main/airports/heathrow/terminal_information/terminal_1/terminal_map_page.html (Flash required). I can't corr
34 Fbgdavidson : I have only been in the UA Red Carpet Club in LHR, and that was very nice and impressive Really? The one by Gate 12C is T3? That is a not a good loung
35 Airish : I don't believe that all of the Star Alliance airlines are going to T1 after T5 has been built. One of my fiends who works at Heathrow said to me that
36 Post contains images Leezyjet : For all of you wondering about gate space in T1, I forgot to mention that the plan is to extend the Europier out accross Runway 23 and to re align all
37 LHR27C : Cragley - if that's what you felt about T1 check in, you'd best check out T2! I'm not denying it can get crowded, but the fact remains that T1 is the
38 Post contains images JGPH1A : From all the work BAA are going to do on T1 (extending the Europier, doubling the size of the check-in area (presumably to fit more shops in ), it's g
39 Post contains images Iowa744fan : Geoffm, Thanks. That link was great. Answered quite a few questions. Thanks. FbgDavidson, I don't recall the location as it was a few years ago. We us
40 Post contains images Cragley : Ok this makes it simpler. Heathrow can be One World and all others. Give Gatwick to STAR!!!
41 Willbdsp : With the creation of the Star Hub at Heathrow, would US Airways move from LGW to LHR?
42 Fbgdavidson : With the creation of the Star Hub at Heathrow, would US Airways move from LGW to LHR? No. Bermuda II won't allow it. I think that is the name of the a
43 JoFMO : US is not allowed to serve LHR due to the Bermuda II restriction, which only allows BA,VS and UA,AA to serve certain American destinations from LHR.
44 FriendlySkies : Question regarding Bermuda II. If LHR had more capacity and wasn't slot restricted, would the restrictions be lifted?
45 Roblondon70 : Not necessarily. The UK has long been pressing for ownership restrictions to be lifted and the US internal market to be opened up. A true global marke
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