WesternA318 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 5388 posts, RR: 25 Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
Woo-hoo!
Now I have CHOICE of A318 operators to fly on! Hey, I betcha now I can go SLC-DEN-MEX-ACA on nothing but my beloved lil baby bus!
Woohoo! Back to Beirut in Oct '13! (Along with a stop in DOH for 4 days)
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
One of the two new babies will be operating on MX's MEX-YYZ route starting in December. This will be the first A318 touching down in YYZ on a sked basis. Surprised by the downgrade from A320/A319 equipment, given heavy loads during the winter season.
Asqx From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 588 posts, RR: 0 Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 3249 times:
Now I have CHOICE of A318 operators to fly on! Hey, I betcha now I can go SLC-DEN-MEX-ACA on nothing but my beloved lil baby bus!
Not until whatever Frontier schedule comes out after December 18th (or if that schedule changes), at the earliest, since SLC is gonna be A319/B733 on F9 through then. Still, I'm glad at least ONE person likes those miserable little shorty buses. Darn things cause nothing but trouble...
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3129 times:
Don't understand MX's commercial strategy at YYZ. Frequencies, equipment, and schedules constantly changing. The winter schedule will see the YYZ-MEX service arriving at midnight with 0% connection possibilities. All onward connection traffic will have to overnight in MEX. Also, what is the point of operating daily except Wednesday through the winter/spring?
Anthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 543 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
I'm a nice positive guy, always looking forward for the best. I even try to see the good part of things instead of the bad side. But, I don't think the little tiny mini busses will help MX. I've always thought that if you think little, then the result will be little, think big for big results.
To me it seams like MX is planning for little results. They are just focusing on small amount of pax for very long legs. Also, selling a 100 seats is not very difficult, so it's like MX doesn't want to put a lot of effort to grow.
And the worst part of all this post I'm sharing with you, guys, is that I am a MX fan. I always place MX first hand on all my travels, but this time I just feel sad for looking at the airline I admire and respect as if things are not doing well at all. I just wished MX was acquiring also larger aircrafts showing their interest on growing, but I don't see that. They are even giving back the B757's. So, my big concern is, What's going on with MX? What's there ahead for it?
I apologize for looking so negative, but I don't want my favorite airline to flight backwards.
Anyway, even if MX got the A318, congratulations for the new minibuses, at least they are new.
Archie From Mexico, joined Aug 2000, 228 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2975 times:
Well said Anthsaun,
If you think little you get little, if you think big you will get big!!! I have always supported that and still do.
I just wish that mexican airlines would start thinking BIG, not just AeroMexico and Mexicana, but all of them. Really big fleets, a lot of destinations, bigger airplanes etc. I know it doesn`t happen overnight, but you have to plan it that way to get there!
I hope to hear AM announce the 777 officialy soon!!
AirStatDFW From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 364 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2952 times:
Is MX planning on using the A318 for DFW or are they going to use a different plane when they start service next month?
Jopavon From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 304 posts, RR: 7 Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2883 times:
Archie & Anthasun,
In some ways I agree with you, but I think the 318 will help develop some markets in order to put larger planes on them. It's like a "teaser" to the route. Then when the route gets going they can upgrade it. Possibly with 100 pax on the plane, they need less F/A as compared to an A319 & A320 and start making profit on a route that could have low load factors.
Also the 318, 319 & 320 can make almost any MX route, so they have more flexibility in terms of planning aircraft use when demand drops at some destinations and switch easily one plane for other (they can't currently do that with the 100s.)
But I totally agree their is a big lack of ambition in our industry, and AM or MX are not being too aggressive and they leave the international market (except US & Canada) to international carriers.
N405MX From Mexico, joined May 2004, 1378 posts, RR: 11 Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
Now there is no money enough to buy bigger planes, also, is better to have less seats offered and more seats occupied; for example, MEX-YVR operates with a 757 with only 80 pax, that was unprofitable, but when you put an A319 on the same route with the same 80 pax, you are making money, even when only is $1 you are making money instead of loosing it.
Hope to see the big buses soon
Life is what happens when you have other plans.....
Alias1024 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 2643 posts, RR: 2 Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 2788 times:
ABQ has been working hard to get service to Mexico, talking to several airlines. I'm just wondering if any of you have heard anything about MX possibly starting service? I think an A318 would be great between ABQ and MEX.
It is a mistake to think you can solve any major problems with just potatoes.
NAVEGA From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 741 posts, RR: 0 Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2737 times:
Listen folks.
The fact is that Mexico is only 31/2 hour average from any
U.S. city. Both Mexicana and Aeromexico offer larger aircraft than any other airline from North America. Most
U.S. airlines use B737's and A319's or A320's.
Mexico is not at the distance of Europe or Asia so why would
an airline fly widebodies?? If this was the logic, America,
United, Delta, Frontier, ATA etc., etc., etc., would be flying
B777s or B747's.
Mexicana's move to get an all Airbus fleet is one hell of a
brilliant move that will definately help them weather these
bad days that every airline is facing.
I applaud their move and wish them well. I fly to Mexico
quite a bit and could care less if it is a wide body or not.
The fact is that the Mexican carriers have the best service
in the skies to Mexico hands down.
Anthsaun From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 543 posts, RR: 3 Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2664 times:
Good old friend, Navega.
I understand your point, but I see it a bit different from my stand. The strategy of getting the B318s is good, but it will lay little results. I can't believe that just 100 seats are enough for the largest city on earth. Believe me, there is something wrong. I know CA also serves the same routes as MX and that they went from B767 to A320. There must be something wrong in the business approach. Toronto is a great city, so it is Montreal and Vancouver. So I'm sure there are more than a 100 pax in need of a seat. Also, what about cargo? NAFTA is a great tool nobody is using. Also there are Canadian charter airlines doing part of the job. And that means there is a great market but MX does not look at it the way they should.
Every time I fly MX MEXICO -USA the flights are sold out and it is really difficult to get a seat.
There are more routes, seats and destinations served by USA airlines than Mexican airlines.
Every body is looking forward on flying from everywhere to Mexico, but Mexican airlines are going nowhere.
CUN looks like an USA airport. There are more airplanes from the USA than Mexican airplanes.
SJD is just the same as CUN.
MX wants to start service to Europe, but they do nothing to get the right kind of aircraft to do the jump.
MX is thinking about charter flights but do not have enough airplanes to do so.
I know, and I even state that MXs service is a lot better than any USA airline.
Do not get me wrong, I'm a MX fan. I just want my favorite airline to do better and go beyond.
Ghost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5126 posts, RR: 53 Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 2641 times:
While TAM confirms to Airbus its 10th Airbus 330 and a new batch of 10 Airbus 320 with 20 more options... all we here expect is the arrival of 10 Airbus 318s! WOW!!
Ricardo APM
Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
Fyano773 From Mexico, joined Mar 2004, 747 posts, RR: 1 Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2618 times:
N405MX,
Confirmed, MX A318´s will be arriving November 11 and 16.
Sched to be confirmed.
Thanks for the info. I'll be ready to spot them...
Now there is no money enough to buy bigger planes, also, is better to have less seats offered and more seats occupied; for example, MEX-YVR operates with a 757 with only 80 pax, that was unprofitable, but when you put an A319 on the same route with the same 80 pax, you are making money, even when only is $1 you are making money instead of loosing it.
AC operates to MEX a 762 and sometimes 763 on a daily basis...
Navega,
Both Mexicana and Aeromexico offer larger aircraft than any other airline from North America. Most U.S. airlines use B737's and A319's or A320's.
But, AA sends 2 or 3 A300 from MIA, daily and DL at least 3-4 757s (just to MEX, both of them)...
I agree with Anthsaun and I hope new MX orders for more Buses: Not only more A320 series, but also widebodies.
Rlwynn From Germany, joined Dec 2000, 989 posts, RR: 1 Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2603 times:
Mex might have the largest population of any city. But what do you think the actual population is of people that have enough money to fly anywhere from there?
I have been there and would think that a huge percentaqge of the population have never even left MEX before.
Britmex From Mexico, joined Nov 2000, 207 posts, RR: 0 Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2458 times:
OK ok, Rlwynn you seem to judge a situation on a very shallow viewpoint. Of course Mexico is a country with many poor people (according to some sources it is more than 50% of the 102 million inhabitants) however the other half (more than 40 million) is a huge market as big as a single European country (like France) and even many of the poor people can afford a ticket to Tijuana or any other border city. Believe me, after 6 years as an AM flight attendant I have met the most unlikely characters in a passenger aircraft, including Huichol or Mixe people who need additional help filling their passport control forms...and those people could have a US visa.
The fact that Lufthansa operates 11 frequencies to MEX should tell something. There also serious plans for a MEX-MUC flight before the year ends. While some European carriers are scaling back operations in other Latin American countries, they are increasing frequencies to MEX. Just look at what IB is doing, they are bringing their new flagship, the A340-600 while BA, KLM, LH, and AF are bringing 747-400`s. I have sometimes tried to book a flight to FRA or LHR (paying normal fare) and they are always full. The same happens with our own Aeromexico 767`s which BTW have new seats far more confortable than any other I have tried in a 747.
AM is being reorganized as an airline. Even some managmement positions are being made redundant while flight crews training is being refocused to be more customer friendly. Plans for the future include new routes and frequencies to Europe including the Boeing 777. Also AM is refocusing itself as an international carrier and is slowly dropping internal services like LMM or MAM.
Regarding the main topic, I can only say that having an all Airbus fleet is one of the most brilliant moves ever made by MX including the one made with the all 727 fleet. Having a standarized fleet will pave the way for future A330 orders. Just remember that while DC-10`s looked impressive in MX colours they lost money without the right routes to place these aircraft. Just for the record even American carriers have scaled back their fleets, being the 777 the biggest acft for AA, DL and CO while UA and NW use 747`s for Asian operations.
The 747 may have been a great acft but remember that they were an important weight in both Pan Am and TWA demise.
britmex
just wishing I have the resources to start Aero Virgen
Pecevanne From Mexico, joined Jun 2004, 175 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 2389 times:
With a 7 to 10% less cost on the A-318 compare with A-319, fleet commonality and great range, MX is on the top.
Imagine the plane flying to Quito and Guayaquil and to Saltillo or Tuxtla Gutierrez with the same crew qualification...MX is going well forward and never back.
Take note that MX will use a 64.5 ton take off weight on the baby bus...range Unbeatable
26 N405MX: Thanks for the pics, hope to see it next week arriving at MEX Just wait for the arrival time
27 Jopavon: Well...no paint surprise. I'm glad they're keeping the current one for a while, since it's very nice.
28 A320319318: what can I say, she looks beautiful, can't wait to see the family lined up at MEX, imagine A320/319/318 one next to the other, wow! Slowly but surely,
30 AM: Como estas Logan? Do you know about the routing/flight number? Since the 1st A318 will arrive tomorrow, it should be departing Hamburg on Wednesday af
31 N405MX: Berny: The route it´s supposed to be XFW-KEF-YUL-MEX, not sure right now, it´s supposed to arrive today the first one, but there is no flifo about,
32 N405MX: Finally!!! Today is the day everybody get your cameras because XA-UBQ will be arriving at 7:50pm Logan
33 YUL332LX: Indeed, the aircraft flew to YUL from KEF this afternoon. Dep. time from YUL was supposed to be 14H55, so this Babybus should be only a couple of hour
35 N405MX: Tomorrow will be arriving que second A318 for MX. Hope somebody can get some pictures
36 Jopavon: XA-UBR is MX's 2nd A318 msn 2333... It seems they also are hurring the delivery since it was supposed to be slower and the next ones are scheduled for
37 Jopavon: Airbus official announcement in their homepage: MEXICANA DE AVIACION, FIRST TO OPERATE THE A318 IN LATIN AMERICA NOVEMBER 16, 2004 Mexico City based a
38 N405MX: Big ones yet to come..... And everybody here in MTY grab your cameras because NOV 21-23 the baby bus will visit us In the morning and evening 2 flight
39 Rojo: allowing all types to be operated by the same flights crews and maintained by the same engineers. This part really made my day, since it is not entire
40 N405MX: its engineers have to be certified to maintain both IAE and CFM and spares for both engines have to be in the warehouse, which costs $$$$$. The engin
41 N405MX: Finally here, hope to upload the pictures soon, XA-UBQ in MTY
42 N405MX: Tomorrow media event at MTY with the A318 Grab your cameras
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