FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2238 posts, RR: 3 Posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 7905 times:
Seems a few things emerging about BA's longhaul plans over the coming months. I know various things have been mentioned elsewhere but thought I'd provide a summary on one thread.
LHR-MIA goes from 14 to 16 weekly from 4th December with an additional two 747-400 services on a Monday and Saturday (BA205/BA204). This seems to be for winter only.
LHR-CPT goes from daily to twelve times weekly, as of 2nd November, all 747-400 operated. Monday and Sunday are the two days that see only one flight. (Additional flights are BA043/BA042). Again, winter only.
LHR-DXB goes from 14 flights per week to seventeen on 4th December with an additional three 747-400 flights (Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday), then an additional two 767-300 flights are added from 15th December (Wednesday, Friday) giving nineteen flights in total. )All five additional flights operate as BA105/BA104). Again, Winter only.
An additional LHR-NAS-PLS flight is added from Monday 13th December, giving a twice weekly 767-300 operated service, the other flight being on a Sunday. (Flights BA253/BA252). Again, Winter only.
LHR-CCS-BOG flights are withdrawn from 6th Feb 05. Current schedule is a thrice weekly 777 flight on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays (BA249/BA248).
LHR-HKG goes from 17 weekly to three times daily on 3rd June, all 747-400 operated.
LHR-YVR goes from daily to ten times weekly from 4th June, all 747-400 operated. Additional flights operate on a Monday, Tuesday and Saturday (BA087/BA086). Likely Summer only.
LHR-YYZ goes seventeen times weekly for the summer from 28th March, BA093/BA092 being a daily 747-400, BA099/BA098 a daily 777 (No First) and BA097/BA096 a three times weekly (Monday, Thursday, Saturday) 777 (No First). Again, likely Summer only.
LHR-PEK returns to a five times weekly operation with a three class 777 (No first). No flights on a Tuesday or Thursday (BA039/BA038).
LHR-MEX returns to a four times weekly 747-400 operation on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays (BA243/BA242).
LHR-LAX goes to a three times daily operation, all 747-400s, from 1st June. Prior to that it will be a seventeen times weekly operation, with BA279/BA278 operating on a Monday, Wednesday and Saturday from 28th March.
LGW-IAH goes to a thirteen times weekly operation, with BA2025/BA2024 operating daily, and BA2027/BA2026 Tuesdays excepted.
LGW-BDA goes to a summer frequency of five times weekly, with a four class 777 operating Wednesdays and Fridays excepeted.
[Edit] Also, depending on the outcome of the CAA convened meeting on 17th Novemebr, involving BA, BD and VS, we may see BA adding additional frequencies/destinations to India, with an additional seven weekly flights allowed to be added in Winter 04, Summer 05 and Winter 05, giving a total maximum of 40 flights per week between the UK and India.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4635 posts, RR: 70
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 7647 times:
Where are BA getting the additional B 744s from to operate LAX + HKG each triple daily + new India flights + increase YVR services !!!
They likely have more online capacity during the summer schedule than during the winter schedule to start with, as the LAX and SFO increases are a yearly recurring phenomenon. BA is likely performing relatively more of its heavy maintenance on its longhaul fleet during the winter months. Apart from that, there's a couple of B744s that free up during the summer months because they're used for winter-only reinforcements to destinations like CPT, MIA and DXB.
ZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5513 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 7517 times:
Or service to AKL for that matter? Probably still dreaming though. Yes I am aware they codeshare with QF and CX but still.
What was the most services BA had to Australia and NZ at one time? They had 24 services a few years back with
LHR-KUL-SYD 3x weekly
all 744's, did they have more than that?
LHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 7363 times:
Is the increased LHR-CPT a recurring phenomen? I know SAA upped their CPT services last winter and at the moment operate more LHR-CPT, and indeed LHR-South Africa services, than BA. Maybe a response to SAA's move?
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Hardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 45
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 7282 times:
Add to your list that as of 1 November BA increased capacity to GRU introducing the 747-400 (before was the 777). BA has daily flights LHR-GRU, load factor this year is 80%, with particularly good results on business and first. The LHR-GRU continues to EZE (4 x week) and to GIG (3 x week).
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 7046 times:
Seems crazy that they dont add to LHR-TLV with almost 100% capacity on every flight. Used to be 3x daily 777 pre Intifada 2000 but now with tourism right back up there, 2x daily 767 just isnt coping
BA never served TLV with 3x daily flights.
BA services peaked at 18x weekly B777 flights between 29th October 2000 and 24th March 2001 (BA165-daily, BA163-daily and BA167-4x weekly).
Flights were reduced to 17x weekly B777 flights between 25th March 2000 and 27th October 2001.
The service was then significantly cut back to 14x weekly B763 flights on the 28th October 2001 and has remained the same ever since.
I doubt the airline will increase frequency for some time due to constrainst by the Israeli authorities to protect ELAL (similar problem with LH, OS and AZ). Also tourism numbers are no way as high as they were previously. The Palestinian conflict still effects tourism in the region, especially Israel and to a lesser extent Jordan.
TLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6992 times:
Thanks Horus. I stand corrected on the 777 service.
If not increase frequency, maybe go back to 777. The fact remains that BOTH BA and LY are at capacity even in off season let alone peaks - eg no seats available on either carrier during XMAS / APRIL or at silly prices.
HB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4635 posts, RR: 70
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6972 times:
As Horus stated, BA will likely stick to double daily B763 service for the time being because of considerable capacity constraint imposed by Israeli government in their quest of protecting LY. Lufthansa and Swiss are currently under intense scrutiny from the Israeli Government because of their conceived dominant position between Israel and their respective home markets.
Texdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1398 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6917 times:
When will BA cancel LGW-DFW? The flight's return leg back to DFW is almost always empty, and now that GWB has been re-elected, I don't think that most Britons would want to go anywhere near Dallas, GWB's main power base.
Just my two cents...BTW, I have flown BA 2192/2193 many times, so I am eminently qualified to make the above observation.
KateAA From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 89 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 6896 times:
I have flown this route three times, as I was once based in DFW with American and when I flew back to the UK to see friends (and had to pay for it) I always flew BA.
The first two times I flew on this route I found that Club was around 80% full and First was around 60% full, as for coach, 60/70%.
The last time I flew on this route there where a load of French people onboard going to conference in Dallas. Because of this there was not an empty seat to be found!
I would say you do have a point. I have a number of friends who are crew (both pilots and cabin crew) for British Airways and the CC always say they like the DFW sector because its not too busy! As for pulling out, I don't think we will see that anytime soon.
Mas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2939 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6795 times:
ZK-NBT - BA did operate a MEL-AKL link. BA9 in the early/mid 1990s flew LHR-BKK-KUL-MEL-AKL, LHR-BKK-KUL-PER-ADL, LHR-BKK-KUL-PER-AKL and a variety of other combinations.
The Malaysian authorities are pressing ahead for another round of talks with the UK CAA for a third daily service for Malaysia Airlines at LHR and a daily Manchester flight - ahead of Virgin's full migration of services to Singapore Airlines. BA is said to be interested too in these talks and staff are already looking forward to returning to Kuala Lumpur - so watch this space.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (11 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6678 times:
Unfortunately, there's nothing in these lists about the resumption of service to SAN...sigh...I guess we'll just have to keep wishing...and hoping...and praying...and chanting...and calling upon the great Goddess of the Airways for the return of the 777.
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