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BA Longhaul Update - Winter 04/Summer 05  
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 7407 times:

Seems a few things emerging about BA's longhaul plans over the coming months. I know various things have been mentioned elsewhere but thought I'd provide a summary on one thread.

Winter '04

LHR-MIA goes from 14 to 16 weekly from 4th December with an additional two 747-400 services on a Monday and Saturday (BA205/BA204). This seems to be for winter only.

LHR-CPT goes from daily to twelve times weekly, as of 2nd November, all 747-400 operated. Monday and Sunday are the two days that see only one flight. (Additional flights are BA043/BA042). Again, winter only.

LHR-DXB goes from 14 flights per week to seventeen on 4th December with an additional three 747-400 flights (Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday), then an additional two 767-300 flights are added from 15th December (Wednesday, Friday) giving nineteen flights in total. )All five additional flights operate as BA105/BA104). Again, Winter only.

An additional LHR-NAS-PLS flight is added from Monday 13th December, giving a twice weekly 767-300 operated service, the other flight being on a Sunday. (Flights BA253/BA252). Again, Winter only.

LHR-CCS-BOG flights are withdrawn from 6th Feb 05. Current schedule is a thrice weekly 777 flight on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays (BA249/BA248).


Summer '05

LHR-HKG goes from 17 weekly to three times daily on 3rd June, all 747-400 operated.

LHR-YVR goes from daily to ten times weekly from 4th June, all 747-400 operated. Additional flights operate on a Monday, Tuesday and Saturday (BA087/BA086). Likely Summer only.

LHR-YYZ goes seventeen times weekly for the summer from 28th March, BA093/BA092 being a daily 747-400, BA099/BA098 a daily 777 (No First) and BA097/BA096 a three times weekly (Monday, Thursday, Saturday) 777 (No First). Again, likely Summer only.

LHR-PEK returns to a five times weekly operation with a three class 777 (No first). No flights on a Tuesday or Thursday (BA039/BA038).

LHR-MEX returns to a four times weekly 747-400 operation on Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays (BA243/BA242).

LHR-LAX goes to a three times daily operation, all 747-400s, from 1st June. Prior to that it will be a seventeen times weekly operation, with BA279/BA278 operating on a Monday, Wednesday and Saturday from 28th March.

LGW-IAH goes to a thirteen times weekly operation, with BA2025/BA2024 operating daily, and BA2027/BA2026 Tuesdays excepted.

LGW-BDA goes to a summer frequency of five times weekly, with a four class 777 operating Wednesdays and Fridays excepeted.

[Edit] Also, depending on the outcome of the CAA convened meeting on 17th Novemebr, involving BA, BD and VS, we may see BA adding additional frequencies/destinations to India, with an additional seven weekly flights allowed to be added in Winter 04, Summer 05 and Winter 05, giving a total maximum of 40 flights per week between the UK and India.

[Edited 2004-11-05 02:29:57]

[Edited 2004-11-05 02:37:58]


Let's Go British Caledonian!
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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7187 times:

Notes :

1. DXB always sees a capacity increase for a few weeks in the summer and winter months.

2. Where are BA getting the additional B 744s from to operate LAX + HKG each triple daily + new India flights + increase YVR services !!!

How do BAs Islamabad-ISB flights do load and yield wise? BA currently flies 3 weekly B 772ERs to ISB.

Also why has BA withdrawn F class from many B 772ERs?


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 7149 times:

Where are BA getting the additional B 744s from to operate LAX + HKG each triple daily + new India flights + increase YVR services !!!

They likely have more online capacity during the summer schedule than during the winter schedule to start with, as the LAX and SFO increases are a yearly recurring phenomenon. BA is likely performing relatively more of its heavy maintenance on its longhaul fleet during the winter months. Apart from that, there's a couple of B744s that free up during the summer months because they're used for winter-only reinforcements to destinations like CPT, MIA and DXB.



User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined Sep 2004, 3325 posts, RR: 20
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 7049 times:

Any likelihood of BA adding daily LHR-BKK-MEL services on top of their daily LHR to MEL via SIN?

There is much needed capacity on BKK-MEL, as well as London/Europe?



User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 7019 times:

Or service to AKL for that matter? Probably still dreaming though. Yes I am aware they codeshare with QF and CX but still.

What was the most services BA had to Australia and NZ at one time? They had 24 services a few years back with
LHR-SIN-BNE daily
LHR-SIN-PER daily
LHR-BKK-SYD daily
LHR-KUL-SYD 3x weekly
all 744's, did they have more than that?


User currently offlineAA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 505 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6957 times:

FlyCaledonian,

Thanks for the info! See why I miss those paper printouts of their timetables! Too bad BA is stopping BOG/CCS.

Robin


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6906 times:

LHR-BKK-SYD daily

BA009/010 flew LHR-BKK-SYD-MEL for quite some time, before the SYD-MEL tag was cut. BA consequently didn't fly its own equipment into MEL for while until one of the SIN service was extended into MEL.



User currently offlineLHR27C From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 1279 posts, RR: 16
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 6865 times:

Is the increased LHR-CPT a recurring phenomen? I know SAA upped their CPT services last winter and at the moment operate more LHR-CPT, and indeed LHR-South Africa services, than BA. Maybe a response to SAA's move?


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

FlyCaledonian:

GRU

Add to your list that as of 1 November BA increased capacity to GRU introducing the 747-400 (before was the 777). BA has daily flights LHR-GRU, load factor this year is 80%, with particularly good results on business and first. The LHR-GRU continues to EZE (4 x week) and to GIG (3 x week).

Hardi


User currently onlineZK-NBT From New Zealand, joined Oct 2000, 5316 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

BA009/010 flew LHR-BKK-SYD-MEL for quite some time, before the SYD-MEL tag was cut. BA consequently didn't fly its own equipment into MEL for while until one of the SIN service was extended into MEL.

Oh yes sorry forgot that one, they stopped MEL altogether from 1999-2001 wasn't it?

They used to have an AKL-MEL flight I think? Is that correct? This was 1995 and before.


User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6577 times:

Seems crazy that they dont add to LHR-TLV with almost 100% capacity on every flight. Used to be 3x daily 777 pre Intifada 2000 but now with tourism right back up there, 2x daily 767 just isnt coping.

User currently offlineSrbrenna From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 100 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6543 times:

When are they going to do LHR - DOH non-stop. The wait at BAH is horribly dull especially now that they don't let you off the plane...

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6548 times:

Seems crazy that they dont add to LHR-TLV with almost 100% capacity on every flight. Used to be 3x daily 777 pre Intifada 2000 but now with tourism right back up there, 2x daily 767 just isnt coping

BA never served TLV with 3x daily flights.

BA services peaked at 18x weekly B777 flights between 29th October 2000 and 24th March 2001 (BA165-daily, BA163-daily and BA167-4x weekly).

Flights were reduced to 17x weekly B777 flights between 25th March 2000 and 27th October 2001.

The service was then significantly cut back to 14x weekly B763 flights on the 28th October 2001 and has remained the same ever since.

I doubt the airline will increase frequency for some time due to constrainst by the Israeli authorities to protect ELAL (similar problem with LH, OS and AZ). Also tourism numbers are no way as high as they were previously. The Palestinian conflict still effects tourism in the region, especially Israel and to a lesser extent Jordan.

Horus




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User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6517 times:

BWI is getting upgrade to 777 from 767 for the winter.

Rafal


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6498 times:

Forgot to mention in my previous post that CAI has been upgraded from B772 to B744 (BA154/155) for the winter.

Horus




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User currently offlineTLVFred From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2004, 156 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6494 times:

Thanks Horus. I stand corrected on the 777 service.

If not increase frequency, maybe go back to 777. The fact remains that BOTH BA and LY are at capacity even in off season let alone peaks - eg no seats available on either carrier during XMAS / APRIL or at silly prices.

Tourism up 48% on last year....


User currently offlineKateAA From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 89 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6477 times:

Hello,

Pleased to see that British Airways seem to be doing well. My Mum lives in the UK and where possible (if I or she is paying) I fly BA First. Got to love it!

Kate


User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 6474 times:

As Horus stated, BA will likely stick to double daily B763 service for the time being because of considerable capacity constraint imposed by Israeli government in their quest of protecting LY. Lufthansa and Swiss are currently under intense scrutiny from the Israeli Government because of their conceived dominant position between Israel and their respective home markets.



User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6419 times:

When will BA cancel LGW-DFW? The flight's return leg back to DFW is almost always empty, and now that GWB has been re-elected, I don't think that most Britons would want to go anywhere near Dallas, GWB's main power base.

Just my two cents...BTW, I have flown BA 2192/2193 many times, so I am eminently qualified to make the above observation.



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User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6405 times:

Brits don't want to go to DFW because it's GWB's hometown? Are they afraid of getting cooties, or something?


Boston, USA
User currently offlineKateAA From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 89 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6398 times:

Good Morning,

I have flown this route three times, as I was once based in DFW with American and when I flew back to the UK to see friends (and had to pay for it) I always flew BA.

The first two times I flew on this route I found that Club was around 80% full and First was around 60% full, as for coach, 60/70%.

The last time I flew on this route there where a load of French people onboard going to conference in Dallas. Because of this there was not an empty seat to be found!

Txdravid,

I would say you do have a point. I have a number of friends who are crew (both pilots and cabin crew) for British Airways and the CC always say they like the DFW sector because its not too busy! As for pulling out, I don't think we will see that anytime soon.

Kate.


User currently offlineTexdravid From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1351 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6395 times:

No, they are just scared of being overrun or manhandled by a evangelical voeter running to the polls!!


Tort reform now. Throw lawyers in jail later.
User currently offlineMas777 From United Kingdom, joined Jul 1999, 2935 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 6297 times:

ZK-NBT - BA did operate a MEL-AKL link. BA9 in the early/mid 1990s flew LHR-BKK-KUL-MEL-AKL, LHR-BKK-KUL-PER-ADL, LHR-BKK-KUL-PER-AKL and a variety of other combinations.

The Malaysian authorities are pressing ahead for another round of talks with the UK CAA for a third daily service for Malaysia Airlines at LHR and a daily Manchester flight - ahead of Virgin's full migration of services to Singapore Airlines. BA is said to be interested too in these talks and staff are already looking forward to returning to Kuala Lumpur - so watch this space.


User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

Unfortunately, there's nothing in these lists about the resumption of service to SAN...sigh...I guess we'll just have to keep wishing...and hoping...and praying...and chanting...and calling upon the great Goddess of the Airways for the return of the 777.  Big grin

Maybe someday!!



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User currently offlineBA001Concorde From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 94 posts, RR: 5
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5522 times:

British Airways has announced today it is to begin operating daily services to Tripoli (TIP) from 01 January 2005.

BA898 / Dep: LHR 09:20 / Arr: TIP 15:00 (Dep LHR T1)
BA899 / Dep: TIP 16:05 / Arr: LHR 17:45 (Arr LHR T1)



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25 Milehigh69 : What about the rumored LHR - YYC that was to begin in April 05?
26 FlyCaledonian : PanAm747, I think BA's return to SAN will be a long while off, especially as the carrier is going back to three times daily on the LHR-LAX route. BA c
27 Mas777 : BA did contemplate operating KL on an O&D basis but the route fell through before as it calculated that the route would not be profitable. KUL needs a
28 FlyCaledonian : With the removal of FIRST from BA098/BA099 to YYZ, this flight joins DEN, YUL, DHA, CCU and PEK in being operated by three class configured 777-236ER
29 Behramjee : Out of the 21 remaining frequencies left for UK carriers to India, I expect VS to be awarded 14 for daily BOM and DEL routes leaving 7 for BA and BMI
30 Post contains images Behramjee : Can someone tell me how good are loads and yields on BAs daily B 763ER MAN-JFK-MAN flight please...thanks
31 Post contains images GKirk : Behjamree...supposedly MAN-JFK is very profitable for BA. All they need to di us get rid of G-TECH
32 Behramjee : The UK Civil Aviation Authority will allocate a further 21 direct flights per week to India on Thursday. BA currently owns the rights to all 19 flight
33 FLYYUL : Behramjee, BMI is going to cease in YYZ.. AC will take-over.
34 Behramjee : Yes but even if AC take it over for MAN...wont they still be codsharing with BMI on this route? If so then its ok.
35 Sleak76 : LHR/JED/LHR (BA133/132) gets upgraded from 772 to 744 effective Jan 2nd til Feb 20. Reason: Hajj (pilgrimage) season in Saudi.
36 Behramjee : This part 2 of Reply # 32 (my post) on this thread derived from the THE OBSERVER newspaper Business section : BA believes it should get all the remain
37 FlyCaledonian : While I'm in favour of competition I don't believe letting bmi have access to India at this time will be beneficial. If VS are wanting to operate dail
38 FlyCaledonian : Came across an article on Reyters UK today regarding comments by BA's Commerical Director Martin George about longhaul flights. China Plans to increas
39 Madhatter : BA used to serve Durban up until a few years ago with a stop in JNB and although it would be busy there are destinations that they probably be more in
40 Post contains images Behramjee : The problem with BA and China with regards to high yield connecting traffic and even Y class connecting trafficI feel is LHRs geographical location. H
41 Cactus739 : Is Phoenix going to keep its 747 for the winter or back to 777?
42 Madhatter : It does seem that in terms of LHRs position in Europe the best area for BA to expand in would be to Africa and also to some respects areas in which th
43 BA97 : Did I read this right on YYZ? BA is keeping WTP but dropping First? I thought I read a thread here a month ago that they were dropping WTP? I do hope
44 NoMoreRJs : Will ORD see a 744 next summer? Nice to see this instead of the 10 daily T7s on the summer rotation (and the AI 744 3x per week).
45 LH423 : Yes, BA97, you read correctly. For some time now the 777s to YYZ have been with no FIRST. However, WTP is performing with good results. It's growth ha
46 AV8AJET : Doesn't LGW-ATL go to a B763ER? If so will this have 4-class or only 3-class without First? Also wondering if PHX-LHR will ever go daily and I hope to
47 LH423 : Not as far as I know. ATL should remain a 777. Also, there will be no 4-class 767s. The FIRST cabin is being removed in favour of Club World flat beds
48 FlyCaledonian : Summary of first day at the two-day CAA Scarce capacity hearing from Reuters. BA has applied for all 21 additional UK-India frequencies, VS 18 and BD
49 Saigonhouston : Just wondering that if BA is doing so well in IAH market so why don't they utilize twice daily with B747 instead of B777 (twice daily IAH-LGW and dail
50 Rjpieces : How many flights are they operating LHR-JFK next winter and summer? Thanks.
51 FlyCaledonian : Saigonhouston, BA don't operate a twice daily LGW-IAH service on the 747-400 because it has taken the decision to base all its 747s at LHR. Bermuda II
52 HB-IWC : BA used to serve Durban up until a few years ago with a stop in JNB and although it would be busy there are destinations that they probably be more in
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