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Lose The "Super 80's"  
User currently offline4Left From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 81 posts, RR: 1
Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8207 times:

My wife and I just did the cramped shuffle aboard an AA MD-80. What a heap! 3.5 hours in a cigar tube and AA claimed it was one of the "extended room" versions. Yeah sure! And whoopee we got a granola bar on an 0800 flight! And nothing on a 1200 flight. Hell Southwest is a bargain. At least you know you'll get nothing and probably pay $99.

To all you airline ops, GET RID OF THE "SUPER 80's"!!!

Thanks for listening

Go Red Sox!


Planes aren't busses, put service back into the air!
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User currently offlinePH-BFA From Netherlands, joined Apr 2002, 562 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8166 times:

Hmmm that would be quite a hassle as they have around 350 of them....

PH-BFA


User currently offlineFlyinghighboy From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 749 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8150 times:

I found the S80's quite comfortable, i flew EWR-MIA on one and enjoyed it. It was the MoreRoom as well so I did enjoy that bit extra leg room to move around, then again I did have an exit row isle to my self.

User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4976 posts, RR: 19
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

You sure don't get much these days.....
I agree with your impression of the MD-80, when it's full there is just this feeling of being in a sardine can, no where to go to escape. But they are not too bad when they're not filled up. I can only go about an hour on one of these full aircraft.
As far as food goes, that's all you get these days unless you are on a transcon, and then you may only get a cold sandwich. Unless you upgrade to First Class, you get what you pay for.



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User currently offlineType-rated From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 4976 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8137 times:

as they have around 350 of them....

Point very well made!



Fly North Central Airlines..The route of the Northliners!
User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8112 times:

I think 2 hours is all I can take in an MD80. They are small!

User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8102 times:

I love the Super-80, especially in front of the wing where it is quiet. I'd fly transcon in one of these anyday.

I hope AA has these for many years to come.

Moman



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User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8084 times:

I too don't care for the "Super 80s" I feel them to be cramped, & uncomfortable. I don't see what's so super about them. I mean the farthest they can go Is probably LAX-DTW or somewhere like that before they run out of gas. No thanks I prefer to fly a plane where I know it will last before it runs out of gas.


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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8079 times:

LOL! That was funny, Allegiant will take any 80 you don't want!

User currently offlineKateAA From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 89 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8064 times:

Hello,

I have spent quite a few years flying on these aircraft as I am a senior FA for American.

I must admit on some aircraft they are showing their age, but they are a good aircraft to work on (as long as your not too tall!).

If you think some of AA's MD80's are not that much older then some A320's, they are showing their age quite badly Embarrassment(

As for removing the 'super 80', I don't think we should have to. Its a Super aircraft that does a super job! lol... If all company's had to remove titles that could be miss leading it would be a nightmare! I mean we have Continental Express, that's not express because it never arrives on time!

One question, what makes a super 80 a non super 80?

Kate.


User currently offlineAtcboy73 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1100 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8030 times:

Id rather be on the two seat side (window for me always) of a full MD80 than the window seat of a full 737 or A320.

I love MD80s and would say they are one of my favorite planes these days.

Regarding food, I always assume Im not going to get anything and take my own snacks and get this,,,I then have something to eat  Big grin.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8024 times:

Yeah many of us would love to see AA order a mix of 717s and 73Gs to replace the 350 MD-80s, but its NOT going to happen when AA is practically operating in the red, if they aren't already.

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 8013 times:


Like or it not; the Super 80s will be around for a very long time.  Smile


User currently offlineMerC From Sweden, joined Dec 2003, 590 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 7963 times:

I'd take an MD80 over a 737 any day. Love the 2+3 seating.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


It's Scandinavian
User currently offlineCaptoveur From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7956 times:

Personally, I will take an MD-80 any day over an RJ. In coach on any airline you are insane to expect food anymore, so take your own. Also, AA is one of my preferred airlines, meaning I will pay signifigantly more to be on them because in my experience the check in people are at least friendly, the flight attendants are both decent looking and relatively friendly, the equipment doesn't look like it is going to fall out of the sky (not that looks mean anything) and here is the important part: They get me and my bags where I want to go more or less on time.


Southwest is good too, however, with Southwest you are limited on where you can go.


User currently offlineJetBlue From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 393 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 7866 times:

I like the Super 80 a lot, if anything, because my favorite airline flies them. Seriously though, they are very comfortable planes, provided you're not sitting back by the engine. Very quiet and smooth on take off.

The 2-3 seating is especially nice as it makes it feel like there aren't as many people there, compared to 3-3 seating. Plus it's really nice if you're traveling with one other person and you get on the 2 side, as you don't have to worry about jumping over someone if you have to use the restroom.

The S80s are also far more comfortable than any regional jet in spaciousness and the "feel" of a bigger cabin. I've yet to fly on the new Embraer 170, but I think that will be just as comfortable as a mainline plane.

Happy flying,

jetBlue



We know for you it's not just a seat on a flight to a place. It's a seat on a flight to your life.
User currently offlinePetazulu From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 701 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7811 times:

Super 80 is super- as long as you are not in the back buy the engines! Also- they make a lot of noise around the wing- some kind of hydraulic pump?

User currently offlineMirrodie From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 7443 posts, RR: 62
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7775 times:
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Hell Southwest is a bargain

Sure it is, thats comparing apples to oranges.  Insane

Any somewhat educated person knows that the 2 products are different.

AA claimed it was one of the "extended room" versions. Yeah sure! And whoopee we got a granola bar on an 0800 flight! And nothing on a 1200 flight.
Since when did AA ever claim the MD-80 to be MRTC? Where did that claim come from? Perhaps AAKAte can verify if MRTC was on the MD-80. I know it was removed a while ago right?

And you're crying about the food you didn't get on a flight? Since 9/01, its been like that. Sounds like someone hasn't been on an aircraft in a while.

If you want to relish in what airline travel was once capable of, read: "Airline : Design, Identity and Culture." Or better yet, man up and buy first class or you should have flown Cocnorde once in your life.

But please don't degrade the forum with such a mundane rant.



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User currently offlineDazed767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 5494 posts, RR: 51
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7710 times:

AA MD80's in fact do have MRTC. They only removed them from the A300s and 757's.

MD80 coach: 34-35.0" pitch 17.5" width.

B757 coach: 31.0" pitch 17.2" width

Justin


User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8507 posts, RR: 12
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7686 times:

The superiority of the MD-80 became apparent to me on one trip when I flew back-to-back segments on a Delta MD-88 then a Delta 733. The MD-88 clearly felt like it had more seat width (slightly), and it had greater pitch, because I could reach forward and pull my backpack out from under the seat and up in front of my legs in the MD-88. I couldn't do that in the 733. I had to pull it out to the side into the aisel (since I had an aisle seat). It was also noticeably quieter.

The 2-3 seating rules. MD-80s are superior to 737s, in my opinion (especially their contemporaries, the 733-4-5), just like how the MD-90's interior is superior to the 737NGs and A32X.

Just try to avoid the last few rows.


User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

Dear 4Left

I don't know where you're going, but I'll tell ya what, why don't ya hop on a B6 flight? Sit in the back half of the aircraft, enjoy the 34in seat pitch and all the cookies, snacks, chips, soda, juice and water you can intake!

Sometimes you get what you pay for, and sometimes you don't!

Smile!



Save a horse! Ride a Cowboy!
User currently offlineKateAA From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 89 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7680 times:

I would have to agree with MD-90...

It makes life easy when you are working on an aircraft that has 2+3... Only issue is sometime, if the seat belt light has been left on queues can start and what that happens there is not much space at all.

While I don't work on the MD80 aircraft any more I will always have a place in my heart for them, got to love the noise towards the rear of the aircraft...

Kate


User currently offlinePennPal From United States of America, joined May 2004, 170 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7637 times:

Akjetblue: Have pity on the poor guy...since he's a Red Sox fan, he's most likely in a foul mood over the election!!

And speaking of having a John Kerry mindset...why would you blame an airplane for the quantity/quality of the food served on it???


User currently offline7E72004 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 3587 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7638 times:

I flew on an MD-80 from Dallas to Seattle and it was quite comfortable...if you don't like it then either pay for first class or find a different airline. YOU are the one that chose to fly them--You also know that if you want to eat on a plane that you simply go to the food stand or whatever and take it aboard with you, with the airline business in the hole that it is in now i sure as hell don't expect much...i just want to get from point A to point B.


The next generation of aircraft is just around the corner!
User currently offlineD950 From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 493 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7618 times:

The 2-3 seating rules. MD-80s are superior to 737s, in my opinion (especially their contemporaries, the 733-4-5), just like how the MD-90's interior is superior to the 737NGs and A32X.

Add to that better fuel efficiency, you just explained why Boeing drove a stake through the heart of the MD90, they were a little better than the 738, which is why AS, and DL placed initial orders.



Resting on your laurels is a synonym for flirting with disaster
25 N1120a : Ok, first off, those super 80s are probably the main reason AA is doing as well as it is (not going into Ch. 11). They are very, very fuel efficient,
26 Dayflyer : I have flown on MD-80/90 series frequently and found them to be comfortable and quiet. I have flown them on DL, AA, TWA. ALl were nice, but I think DL
27 CitationJet : I have heard the MD-80 called the K-Mart 727. This was in reference to the quality of the interior and cockpit.[Edited 2004-11-05 18:00:09]
28 Wannabe : I was never an MD-80 fan until I flew in the ERJ. With some "regional" routes now extending well past 2 hours, count your blessings if you get a full
29 KROC : I'm sure AA would have no problem in removing some 350 MD-80's because 4Left doesn't like them. It's just my opinion, but a major carrier is not going
30 Cragley : Citation : LOL!!!! Super nothing! Light weight softies that glide. Not that I'm saying 737's are gods gift, but I do feel a LOT safer and comfortable
31 Rlwynn : The MD-80 is a far superior plane to travel oncompared to 737 or 320.
32 Post contains images 4Left : This is for all who have taken my rant the wrong way. I don't like the MD-80, never have and never will. I would be overjoyed to see the plane retired
33 Rlwynn : I have a really good idea. Do not fly on one again. You will be much happier and we will not have to read your idiotic ranting.
34 Ckfred : The reason for the Super 80 name is that the plane was called, originally, the DC-9-Super 80, in part because it had far greater range than the other
35 4Left : You will be much happier and we will not have to read your idiotic ranting. How about not reading my idiotic ranting? Remember this is all in good fun
36 Post contains images Mirrodie : I have heard the MD-80 called the K-Mart 727. This was in reference to the quality of the interior and cockpit. Again, since an aircraft's interior is
37 JAXpax : Why did you take that flight in the first place? Obviously of your own free will. Somehow I doubt Southwest could have gotten you there quite as easil
38 Post contains images 4Left : "Why did you take that flight in the first place? Obviously of your own free will. Somehow I doubt Southwest could have gotten you there quite as easi
39 DustySlides : 4Left, A twisted view of WHAT? You can't even spell aviation correctly and yet you want to tell them how to run it? You're right--this is good fun!
40 STLGph : I must be the only one who enjoys sitting in the MD80s in the back. I love to sit in row 26 or 27 on the right side near the engines. Or exit row is g
41 Post contains images Lrockeagle : I love the Super 80 on the 4-hr flts up to SEA. I always sit in the back with the engines. They aren't too loud but they are loud enough the people ar
42 1011 : I love the MD-80s. I hate the 737s. At least the MD-80 has 3 and 2 seating. I hate the 3 and 3 seating like on the 737 and airbus planes. I also love
43 Boeing nut : I'll take 3-4 hours in a tube over two to three days in a car every day of the week!!!
44 Atcrick : 4Left, The one thing you said that I agree with is that you are ranting. You are making no valid points WHATSOEVER about safety concerns of the MD-80.
45 Flyboytrent : I don't understand the beef with the Super 80's. Yes theyre cramped for a 3.5 hour flight but what aircraft isnt in the coach cabin? The 738, 757, 767
46 BH346 : I don't know what you're talking about. I've been on two flights with the AA MD-80 and both were exceptional. Seats were comfortable, ride was smooth
47 MissedApproach : I guess it's all relative. If you'd ever spent 7 hours on a Herc, you'd never complain about noise or uncomfortable seats! The trip was on "the Compan
48 Iowaman : I survived 3 and a half hours on Allegiant with nothing but pretzels for food and a 30" seat pitch.
49 Jetjeanes : AA went through a period where they removed seats out of most of their aircraft to allow more legroom..i thought the 80s,had some removed as well,and
50 Atcrick : Iowaman, You need to fly us again. Now that we've taken out 12 seats on our aircraft I'm hearing nothing but good things about the legroom now!! Rick
51 LMP737 : 4left: If you have some money you want to give AA so they can start buying new ones I'm sure they will take it. When I hear people knocking the MD-80
52 Post contains images Jeb94 : You won't see the MD-80s leaving anytime soon. They are efficient and reliable. Yes, they give the impression of being small due to the narrow fuselag
53 Atcrick : Jeb94, Well said. What exactly is Midwests "Saver Service" Arent all there aircraft configured the same? Rick
54 Mtnmanmakalu : I agree with KateAA- I am a NWA F/A and fly A319/320's and they are showing their age FAST!!! Compare with some of our OLD DC-9's and old 757, and the
55 Alias1024 : The super 80 is a nice change from all the 737s I always end up on. Also, you gotta love the single row of seats behind the rear galley on the left si
56 TWAalltheway : To me, a single seats' difference of fuselage width is not that much. The "cigar tube" that 4left refers to is just the same as any other fuselage, ju
57 COAmiG29 : THE MD 80 IS SMALL AND CRAMPED (I HAD A CRYING BABY BEHIND ME ONE TIME AND IT WOULD NOT SHUT UP!!) THERE IS NO NEED TO REPLACE IT BECAUSE IT IS SMALL
58 Accidentally : I flew AA's S80s PHL-ORD-IND-ORD-PHL on August 28, 29 of this year. Great airplane. The limited service didn't bother me one bit.
59 Gigneil : I am a NWA F/A and fly A319/320's and they are showing their age FAST!!! Compare with some of our OLD DC-9's and old 757, and they are not aging well.
60 N1120a : >Well said. What exactly is Midwests "Saver Service" Arent all there aircraft configured the same?
61 TrnsWrld : 4left, Thanks for this pointless thread. Why dont you and your wife take the bus next time? BTW, AA's MRTC is actually VERY roomy compared to other ai
62 CX881 : I found the cabin quite comfortable!!! I flew one from San Diego to DFW. I flew in First Class though. It also was a early morning flight and they ser
63 Delta767300ER : I have found the MD-80 and the 757 to be the most uncomfortable a/c on full flights. I wouldnt want to spend more than 3 hours on either a/c. I love b
64 Chiguire : 4Left To all you airline ops, GET RID OF THE "SUPER 80's"!!! OK, if you wish - we will do so !
65 Chiguire : No, serious. The S80 is a comfortably plane for flights up to 3 hours, just like a CCS-MIA or CCS-LIM. The only thing I don´t like very much is the t
66 4Left : Seems like the lot of you are quite passionate about this flying bucket of bolts. To my detractors: 1. If I pay $700 (US) roundtrip I prefer to have s
67 Cessna172RG : Sorry to deter from the AA topic with the MD-80's, BUT... If you had a bad experience on an MD-80 of American, perhaps you should try Alaska, where al
68 Kim777fan : Now I happen to be just the opposite and really quite like DL's MD88's and NW's 757's. The MD88 really made me take another look at the DC9/MD/717 ser
69 DBCooper : I flew DFW-YUL a couple of weeks ago on a "Super" 80. Then I flew YUL-JFK on an Embraer 135. Then on to MIA on an A-300. The Super 80 was by far and a
70 Lrgt : Why don't they just call them by their real name??????????? MD-80!!! It makes AA look corny if you ask me. Don't complain about the food on AA. On FL
71 Post contains links and images September11 : American Airlines Super 80s They are BEAUTIFUL looking planes!!! Most recent photos View Large View MediumPhoto © Nathan Zalcman View Large View
72 MissedApproach : As far as the "super" 80 title, Jetsgo also refer to their MD-83s as Super80s. Can someone tell us why? Is it the same as gluing a spoiler to the tru
73 RogerThat : Where do you guys get that AA's Boeing MD Super 80s are paid for? AA has over 20 billion in debt. Nothing is paid for. I like the 2 seat side of the S
74 Cactus739 : I too have no qualms with the S80, MD80 or whatever you want to call it. I've taken them all over the country and wouldn't hesitate to get on one agai
75 Post contains links and images Delta767300ER : An empty flight on an MD-80 is as good as an empty 767 flight. Exit rows are also good. I love how awesome the MD-80's look and will be sad when they
76 Post contains links and images Efohdee : For me nothing wrong with the MD-80, yes a little older but hey they dont make them like they used to. Last time I was one an MD-80, AA DFW-ATL, windo
77 MD-90 : For me, the most cramped aircraft when all the seats are filled would be the 757. Lovely looking aircraft on the outside, but full flights feel awfull
78 Post contains images Cactus739 : Delta767-300ER Did you read the caption on the photo you posted of the TWA Interior? It caught my attention... "taken from the back of the cabin durin
79 Post contains images Delta767300ER : Cactus739, I didnt even realize it until you pointed it out. Either the dude who took the photo was a little drunk, or the Captain took one hell of a
80 Jeb94 : Here I was, looking for a cabin shot of a Midwest MD-80 before Saver service and guess what? There isn't one! That is undoubtedly the best MD-80 cabin
81 AASTEW : Many simple people on this board don't like the Super80, because it has no IFE! I know it's a shallow reason but it's true. If the Super80, had TV's a
82 D950 : You say you want a more fuel efficient Super80, with IFE?? Look no further than the MD90, but then again Boeing killed that one didn't they. A little
83 Post contains images Starlionblue : As far as the "super" 80 title, Jetsgo also refer to their MD-83s as Super80s. Can someone tell us why? Is it the same as gluing a spoiler to the trun
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