Capital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 42 Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 8451 times:
So, sadly the final B757 has rolled off the line. What has occurred to me from the numerous threads recently is that the B757 seems to be held in such high regard by almost everyone. I'm sure its not just all sentiment.
Apart from the odd comment regarding it's transatlantic use, I can't ever remember seeing a negative comment by anyone here, and we are a notoriously critical bunch! So what makes the B757 so popular with everyone when almost every other aircraft type has it's fair share of lovers and loathers?
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 27386 posts, RR: 74
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8312 times:
The 757 is also one of the safest planes ever built. The only crashes have been due to faulty maintainance or disorientated pilots. The thing is a rocket ship that can use shorter runways than smaller planes, while flying farther and having lower seat-mile costs. It looks like a dart and is one of the most comfortable A/C I have ever been on (I know it should be exactly the same as any Boeing narrow body, but it isn't). Anyone else ever notice how loud their flaps are when adjusted?
Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
Baw716 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2031 posts, RR: 26
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8194 times:
From an airline perspective, the 757 has terrific economics and flexibility. If you fly 300 miles or 3000 miles (which can be done with the aircraft), the unit costs do not change radically, which is unusual on an aircraft.
Probably more than that, it can be used in places in which other aircraft, notably the 737 can't be used. A 757 with MTOW can get airborne in less than 5000ft, making it possible to fly into certain airports that it would be impossible for the 737 can support (certain South American airports come into mind). Additionally, the capacity of the 757 in such a STOL situation provides an airline the capability of carrying nearly 200 passengers where the 737 can at best do 150 before weight penalties kick in.
It is a shame that the 753 did not catch on more than it did. It was a unique aircraft and one that could serve certain markets well. Its problem was its size and weight; using the same engines with another 24-25 of fuselage makes the aircraft unable to do the short runway operations like the 752 and when you get to over 200 passengers (which the 753 can do easily), passengers prefer the 767 with the twin aisles that has about the same capacity of passengers (+up to 30 seats).
Finally, the 737NG was the nail in the coffin for the 757. With greater range and less fuel required to operate than the 757, the 738/739s are within 10 seats of the 757 in capacity. An airline that has a fleet of 737NGs will want to stay with the same type of aircraft for longer missions, a la transcon. With the 737-700 being able to do transatlantic in an all Business operation, the 737 mission profile becomes a very flexible one, making the 757 almost redundant. I think this over anything was the demise of the 757.
We will all miss the 757....it is truly a rocket at low weights over short distances; I remember flying SFO-LAX with about 80 on board, we went from sea level to FL410 in under 10 minutes. Out over the ocean, he got the clearance, poured on the coals and flew at a high pitch angle (while still accelerating) and before we were turning SE toward LAX, we were already cruising at FL410. There is no other aircraft flying today that can match that performance.
She'll be around for awhile more....another 10 years or so before the airframes start to degrade on the older birds, so we can be flying her for some time to come. Next out of the red barn, the Dreamliner.
David L. Lamb, fmr Area Mgr Alitalia SFO 1998-2002, fmr Regional Analyst SFO-UAL 1992-1998
AeroWesty From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 20822 posts, RR: 62
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 8189 times:
The 757 became my favorite plane to fly on my first flight with it on Eastern in the late 1980s. Take-off was absolutely astonishing, combined with what seemed more long-haul type seating vs. what I can only describe as 737-type seating. The Eastern 757s also had mid-cabin lavatories, which they used as the demarcation line between smoking and non-smoking, which worked better than the setup on any other aircraft flying similar routes. It also reminded me of the days of flying 707s on non-stop transcontinental flights with Eastern's night owl service from LAX to BOS and PHL and v.v.
One question in my mind I've never reconciled is that while I can't find any records online of the old Eastern 757s going to Northwest, I've flown a number of 757s on NW with the mid-cabin lavs and the same brown striped fabric on the seats Eastern had, the last just this past December from LGA-MSP. The connecting flight, also on a 757, had the newer interior without mid-cabin lavs and a different seat.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8154 times:
What makes it so loved? Because it's a champion. And everyone loves a champion. There is nothing that compares to it, or IMO, ever will. Nothing matches it's performance in it's class? Why? Because there is nothing in it's class. I've said it before and I'll say it again. My brain understands why Boeing shut down the 757 line, but my heart won't. Why would you stop producing a product that has no equal? Why not improve a product when you have the capability to do so?
I am a big Boeing fan. But mention the 757 and then I scour at Boeing. Other than the -300, there was never a major upgrade of the 757. If they had, I'd bet the 757 line would still be producing aircraft.
The seven-five rapidly became my favorite twin engined aircraft over the past few years. It figures, I probably jinxed it.
Flyabunch From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 8154 times:
A couple of years ago I was flying from Tampa to Houston on Continental on a 757 and the guy next to me was the 757 instructor pilot for another airline commuting to his job. I told him of my love for the 757 and he got this little smile on his face and said: "you know what the pilots call it? They call it the HOT ROD of the skies!"
320tech From Turks and Caicos Islands, joined May 2004, 491 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 7948 times:
Oops, where'd that sour note come from?
Even though I am an Airbus lover (not literally), I particularly like the 757. I think the proportions are right (I also like the A321, which has a similar look, at least to me). Also, I like the nose, no idea why.
I like that it is considered a "heavy", as well. An airplane that carries more than her own weight, in a way.
I've never had a chance to fly on one, or work on one, but I'd like to.
The primary function of the design engineer is to make things difficult for the manufacturer and impossible for the AME.
Redtailmsp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 208 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 7833 times:
Yes Norjet, they were all delivered direct to NWA. The former Republic ones were in the fleet after the merger only briefly and ended up with America West - they were Rolls Royce powered versus Pratt & Whitney for the NWA ordered aircraft.
The 757 is certainly a very versatile aircraft as has been said numerous times on this posting. It can be used for just about any stage length and is great to dispatch because it is very rare that you can ever reach any performance limits. Plus the great power-to-weight ratio which allows you to get out of an airport such as MDW very comfortably with a full payload, and also allows you to climb straight to FL370 without a step-climb most of the time - gives you great versatility and economics. It is well loved by pilots for its capabilities and handling characteristics. It is well loved by marketing folks who can use it in many, many situations. It is however not so well loved by passengers - the cabin width is noticeably less than the A320, and sitting in the middle seat on a long flight is very uncomfortable. Also, the long tube takes forever to disembark from...even worse with the -300. Nevertheless, it is one hell of an aircraft.
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: Here we go again about the "narrowbodies aren't comfortable on transatlantic flights". I used to live in Dublin and flew DUB-EWR on a very regular bas
: Flown on 752 (XLA) and 753 (TCX). It's performance is second to none, quiet, very comfortable. Altogether, definitly the best of the narrowbodies
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: Here we go again about the "narrowbodies aren't comfortable on transatlantic flights". How is it any difference? Exactly. I'd bet big money that if yo
: Its just such a beatiful aircraft. It has the best lines on an aircraft that I have seen. I've never seen a paint-sceme on the jet that I didnt like b
: Star and Boeing Nut, I haven't been on a 757 on a transatlantic flight (and I do hope to do so one day!). But, the main problem with it I can see is t
32 Pilot kaz
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: I like that unique look it has when you look at it head on during take off
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: To quote a phrase I heard somewhere but can't remember the source off hand, "The closest thing that Boeing Commercial ever built to a fighter jet". On
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