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Egyptair Achieve 95%+ Loads To JFK  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3440 times:

Egyptair have achieved an average loadfactor of 95.8% on their CAI-JFK-CAI flights during the period January 2004-October 2004 (inclusive).

MS operate 5x weekly flights (4 during the winter) with B772s. MS used to continue 2 of their JFK flights to YUL, but during the summer they are disconnected due to higher demand to JFK (as well as YUL).

MS985/986 achieved 93.6% loadfactor between January and April, then between May and September that rose to 97.6%. In addition, during July and August, the airline were 'forced' to add extra weekly flights (MS985A/986A) to meet demand.

When Omar El-Darwa (head of flight operation to North America) was asked why MS hasn't increased flights to New York yet, he said it was due to 2 main obstacles; first, MS's widebody aircraft are currently heavily utilised on Middle Eastern, European and Japanese flights, meaning they lacked the aircraft to increase JFK flights. Secondly the current bi-lateral agreement between the US and Egypt, needs to be revised to allow MS increase capacity. Though he indicated MS are planning to increase flights to daily for the summer 2005 period.

One interesting fact that was revealed was that passengers travelling to Southern Europe and South East Asia, were using MS's JFK flight, then connecting onto other MS flights to Athens, Larnaca and even Bangkok (yes, Bangkok). Though currently most connecting passengers continue onto various points in the Middle East.


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User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

HORUS: Does MS still have the huge mix of widebopies? I believe at one time it included 747s, A340s, 777s, and A330s, and A300s.

User currently offlineRamerinianair From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3350 times:

Well, there is no America airline on the route any more. TW was the last I knew of, LAX-JFK-CAI.
SR



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 3339 times:

Planenutz, The 2 B743s were retired earlier this year. The A300s are being replaced one-by-one with A332s (currently 2 A330s have arrived). This will leave MS with a long haul fleet of A332s, A342s and B772s.

Ramerinianair, DL was in fact the last American carrier. They quit the route on October 15, 2001. They operated 4x weekly MD-11 flights routing JFK-CAI-DXB-CAI-JFK. Apparently they were to re-introduce the flights on March 15, 2002 but that never materialised. TW quit the route on the 28th Septemer 2001. They operated 6x weekly B763 flights routing JFK-CAI-RUH-CAI-JFK.

Hopefully a US carrier might decide to start CAI flight in the future.


Horus




EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineHB-IWC From Indonesia, joined Sep 2000, 4503 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3316 times:

Hopefully a US carrier might decide to start CAI flight in the future.

That would have to be CO or AA then, as DL doesn't seem in the position of getting involved in these kind of ventures at this moment. It is amazing, though, how many markets are left untapped by American companies where money is likely to be made.

In the Middle East, there's no American presence to speak of with the exception of TLV. But no American carriers can take you to the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan or the like. Also the West African market is up for grabs, with voids left by Air Afrique, Ghana Airways and Nigeria Airways unfilled. Witrh regard to this, nothing seems to be coming from CO's attempt to serve LOS. Also the South African market is without American presence.

Rather to try and serve these and other markets, American carriers seem to largely contend themselves with serving some of the destinations mentioned through European codeshares. I wonder whether there's really no money to be made on some of those sectors, or whether American companies are just not willing to take the risk and venture out...



User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4773 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Horus...what is or was the final status of MSs B 763ERs?

Also even though loads are vv good on MSs JFK flights...how are yields and occupancy in F and J classes year round on this route?

MS btw had once a fleet consisting of B 743s, B 777-200s, B 767-300ERs, A 340-200s, AB6s and B 737-500s. They are in the process of receiving A 346s, A 320s and A 332s.

Horus, I heard that MS want to start IAH nonstop with A 342s from CAI? Any truth to that? Also is there a market for MS in LAX area still nonstop with A 342 as it seemed so until their B 763 crashed off NYC in 1998.


User currently offlineMoman From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1054 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 3275 times:

When did EgyptAir get rid of their 767's? I know a 763 is the jet that crashed in the Atlantic in Oct. 1999, and the NTSB said pilot suicide was the cause, but the Egyptians didn't like it.

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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3217 times:

Well, considering that LAX-CAI is 6609nm, they could fly the 772ER without a problem


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 20 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

That would have to be CO or AA then, as DL doesn't seem in the position of getting involved in these kind of ventures at this moment. It is amazing, though, how many markets are left untapped by American companies where money is likely to be made.

HB-IWC, I absolutely agree with you there. I think AA are more likely to enter the market then any other US carrier, but that won't be in the forceeable future due to their financial situation. I can imagine insurance premiums would be abit higher, but the idea that a US airliner would find it dangerous to operate into the Arab world is rubbish. Some people seem to have this perception that a US carrier would be under constant threat of attack, but that stems out of ignorance. One only needs to see how American tourists are treated in places like Egypt, Jordan, Tunisia, UAE, etc. They are treated exceptionally well and treat their hosts with the same degree of respect and their numbers are increasing.


Horus...what is or was the final status of MSs B 763ERs?

Behramjee, Egyptair retired their last B763ER (SU-GAO) back in 2001. The last 767 was traded in with Boeing as a part of deal for a further 2 B772s (since delivered).


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Also even though loads are vv good on MSs JFK flights...how are yields and occupancy in F and J classes year round on this route?

Well JFK is one of the top 5 most profitable destinations for MS. Also considering that 95.8% loadfactor, lets assume that Y class has 100% occupancy (which it probably isn't), then the premium cabins would be at the very least 65% full. MS's 777s are configured with 319 seats (12F/21C/286Y)


MS btw had once a fleet consisting of B 743s, B 777-200s, B 767-300ERs, A 340-200s, AB6s and B 737-500s. They are in the process of receiving A 346s, A 320s and A 332s.

Yes, MS did operate a very diverse fleet back in the 90s but this has and is still changing.

The airline is not in the process of getting A346s or A320s. The A346 order (2 firm + 2 options) was cancelled in 2003 when they ordered 7 A332s. There have been rumours they will re-order the aircraft to replace the capacity lost with the retirement of the 747s earlier this year. As for the A320s, MS recieved the last 5 on order in October/November last year. They were supposed to replace the B735s but the airline experienced a huge increase on domestic/regional services that they've decided to keep the Baby Boeing for longer, so expect further A320 orders in the future to replace them.

As for the A300-600R they are being replaed one-by-one with 7 A332s. They currently have 2 A332s, with the third arriving next month.

So this will leave the airline with a fleet consisting of A320s, A321s, A332s, A342s and B772s.


Horus, I heard that MS want to start IAH nonstop with A 342s from CAI? Any truth to that? Also is there a market for MS in LAX area still nonstop with A 342 as it seemed so until their B 763 crashed off NYC in 1998.

Unfortunately MS have decided against launching long-haul flights to IAH and HKG. This decision was taken in April, when the airline started its major restructuring which lead to axeing 14 routes and increasing frequency on other routes. However I was told that when they do start long haul flights it will either be IAH, HKG or SHA.

As for LAX services, they were terminated back in 2002 due to security screening issues. The flights operated CAI-JFK-LAX-JFK-CAI and the security measures introduced after 9/11 meant passengers had to disembark at New York to go through the security checks. This meant extra hassle, decreasing aircraft utilisation and the lose of revenue. So I doubt they'll launch flights there in the forceeable future, and even then I doubt it would be non-stop.


When did EgyptAir get rid of their 767's? I know a 763 is the jet that crashed in the Atlantic in Oct. 1999, and the NTSB said pilot suicide was the cause, but the Egyptians didn't like it.

Moman, Egyptair operated 2 B763s, SU-GAP crashed soon after take off from JFK and SU-GAO was retired in 2001 (currently with Eritrean Airlines). And yes the Egyptian authorites refuted NTSB's conclusion. There were a number of factors that were not been fully investigated, and it certainly wasn't a case of the 'Egyptians didn't like it' as you put it. But that is a different (complicated and long) topic altogether.


Well, considering that LAX-CAI is 6609nm, they could fly the 772ER without a problem

N1120a, indeed the 777 can fly the route but the market is not big enough to sustain a profitable service at this time, maybe in the future.


Horus





EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlinePlanenutz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2994 times:

HORUS:

Why wouldn't MS extend its YUL service onward to LAX? Load factors for at least one frequency a week should be ample to serve the southern California market. Because the flight would be routed through YUL, no additional security screening would be required.

or, why not operate to LAX via a European capital?


User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 18 hours ago) and read 2954 times:

//They were supposed to replace the B735s but the airline experienced a huge increase on domestic/regional services that they've decided to keep the Baby Boeing for longer, so expect further A320 orders in the future to replace them.//

Actually I think the A319s with the IAE engine choice would be a very good choice.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2795 times:

Why wouldn't MS extend its YUL service onward to LAX? Load factors for at least one frequency a week should be ample to serve the southern California market. Because the flight would be routed through YUL, no additional security screening would be required.

Planenutz, that probably is true but you have to bear in mind that even though the airline might be able to fill a weekly flight, the yeilds would be terrible as it would mainly aim the Californian tourists visiting Egypt. Hence the service would be lose-making. If frequency was 3x weekly then the service might be profitable as it would offer the most direct service from the US West coast to the Middle East attracting business passengers (even though LY does serve LAX, no Arabs use the airline due to discrimination). Havin said that if EK eventually begin LAX services, then I doubt MS would compete with them in the market. Unfortuantely the LAX market is just not big (or profitable) enough.


or, why not operate to LAX via a European capital?

That would mean the airline trying to get fifth freedom rights between the European city and LAX which would be difficult. Also MS have a policy of serving the Egyptian market directly, so stopping off in Europe would not be on the card.


Actually I think the A319s with the IAE engine choice would be a very good choice.

Korg747, in fact the A318 would make more sence than A319 due to the exact same seating capacity. Originally the airline had ordered 5 A318s to replace the B735s but due to engine problems and delays with P&W, the airline coverted the order to the larger A320. To e honest I'm hoping they go for regional jets (something which until recently was planned) as it would mean greater frequency on the domestic route, meaning greater appeal to business passengers.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26449 posts, RR: 75
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2783 times:

I really don't understand how a market of 20 million people is too small for anything. Also, considering the amount of money in Southern California, some of that leisure traffic will be in forward cabins anyway. Also, considering LAX's status as one of the premier cargo airports in the world, I would think you could fill the belly too. Additionally, you could market the flight to Iranians flying back and forth (Why do you think LH, BA, and KL flights are always full?) along with other middle easterners who prefer not to connect through europe?


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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Glad to hear that EgyptAir is doing very well to JFK!

Think it's too bad that they stopped flying to LAX; the last airline from Africa to serve LAX. I miss seeing the MS 777s at LAX....

The777Man



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

N1120a, indeed California as a whole has a large population, but that alone does not guarantee a viable market. The same can be said of Beijing (or China) where MS were not able it make it work (though I have to admit just a month into the new service, the SARs outbreak occurred, followed by the Iraq war). In addition, even though Californians may have large disposable incomes for travelling it still is no assurance that MS can fill their flights.

And I am aware that the largest Iranian communities outside Iran are in Los Angeles (and Tokyo) but I think you forget that Egypt and Iran do not have any diplomatic or economic relations (due to Iran's support for the assassination of President Anwar Al-Sadat). As for promoting the flights to other Middle Eastern countries, as I said before that would be lucrative as the only alternative is LY (and no Arab would want to fly them due to discrimination).

Besides I'm sure if such a service was profitable, then MS would have re-launched it again. I hope they do in the years to come.


The777Man, I hope they go back to LAX too


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 2570 times:

My aunt used to fly LAX-JFK-CAI all the time on Egyptair, originally on 767s, then later on 777s to visit my grandmother. Ever since they discontinued the service, she's been flying Air NewZealand, American Airlines, or British Airways from LAX to LHR, and then British Airways from LHR to CAI.

I think CAI-YUL-LAX would make a lot of sense and be successful. As have mentioned already, passengers continuing to LAX would not have to deboard and go through customs like they would have to do if the flight stopped in the US.

The rule here in the US is all passengers on an international flight need to clear customs and immigration at the first US gateway.

My sister once flew DEN-EWR-LHR-EWR-DEN. She told me it was a pain getting off in Newark to clear customs and immigration and then getting back on the plane.

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User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Horus - on a side note, how do you find information like "...the largest Iranian community outside of Iran is in L.A. and Tokyo." I hear things like that all the time on this forum and I never know how people figure this. Often times two people from two different places will say their city has the biggest population of expats from the same country, so it's tough to take much from these types of comments.

I'm not doubting you, but I just want to know where I can find information like this.


User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

Perhaps MS could get fifth freedom rights LAX-YUL-LAX like LY has on LAX-YYZ-LAX ?

The777Man



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2399 times:

BA, a CAI-YUL-LAX route would make sence, especially considering it would remove the mandatory security checks a stop in the US would cause. This security screening process used to effect MS when they operated CAI-JFK-YUL flights. Passengers making Canada their final destination would have to de-board, causing them inconvenience as well as impacting the airline ('wasting' money, time and aircraft utilisation). At one point the airline was to re-route the flights CAI-YUL-JFK, but after a feasability study they decided against this, instead introducing non-stop dedicated flights to each city.

About serving the LAX market, I'm still skeptical about the viability of such a service. Yes, they'd probably fill a weekly flight but yields would be low, whilst operating 3x weekly flights would attract premium passengers I doubt the market is big enough to fill 3 widebodies a week, especially with the current political climate...maybe in the future.


Bartond, I read it in the Homa Magazine (IR's inflight magazine). It had an interesting article about the 15 million Iranians living abroad. Los Angles had the largest community, followed by Tokyo and then Scandinavia. Hope this helps


The777Man, I suppose it is possible to get fifth freedom rights between YUL and LAX. Currently there's only a daily flight on the route with an AC A319 (AC797). Are the Canadian authorities 'liberal' about giving fifth freedom rights?


Horus




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User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2380 times:

Horus, I'm not sure if the Canadian authorities are liberal about fifth freedom rights but El Al got it on YYZ-LAX so I think it's possible for MS to get it on LAX-YUL as well.

I think that with having convenient connections at CAI to BEY, DAM, AMM etc, MS could once again get some of that traffic. I don't really see how that much has changed since they last served LAX.

Thanks for your reply!

The777Man



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2361 times:

777man,

A YUL stop, or any stop for that matter from a LAX standpoint, is not a good option for Egyptair.

Lufthansa, KLM, Swiss, Air France, British Airways will be providing a better product to CAI, BEY, AMM, DAM by offering a 1 stop as well (via their hubs). Their services are daily, Egyptair would be what... 2 or 3 weekly?

In order for Egyptair to get superior market share out of LAX, they would need a non-stop. Egyptair doesnt have the aircraft to ensure a nonstop on this market, especially not if a 2 or 3 weekly operation (for efficiency purposes 5 weekly MINIMUM).

Tragically, when Egyptair 990 went down, only 35 of the 180 pax where LAX origins.

Tags dont work... they work for LY, but LY isnt chasing profit on YYZ-TLV. Their Canadian GM clearly said in the Canadian media that the route was not profitable, but there were other reasons for its operation  Smile





User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

FLYYUL, I see your point but EgyptAir also competes with price in many markets; it is usually a lot less expensive to fly on MS rather than on EK, BA, AF etc. Having a fare of USD 1000-1200 from LAX to CAI, AMM etc would certainly entice people to fly MS vs BA or AF.

I know that the loads from LAX to CAI wasn't very high when the flight was via JFK but I think that they could do better via YUL and certainly so if they would have 5th freedom rights.

The777Man



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

A fare of $1000 on a 777/320 combo AMM-CAI-YUL-LAX would be terribly low yielding.

You will see in Egyptair in YYZ before LAX sadly.

A nonstop suggest that you will get some kind of price premium. A 1 stop, then its bombs away with your competitors who can get you to AMM via CDG just as fast AMM via YUL and CAI. See what im getting at?



User currently onlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6558 posts, RR: 55
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2322 times:

I see what you are getting at, but remember that costs for MS are probably a lot lower than BA etc. Like I said, MS already undercuts many carriers in many markets and probably still make a profit. With fares several hundreds of dollars lower than the competition, I think MS can have a chance of getting a decent amount of traffic from LAX and other places.

The777Man



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4976 posts, RR: 51
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2323 times:

I disagree.

Egyptair will not suceed with a 1 stop via YUL. They tried via JFK, its was unsuccesful and I doubt the same would happen for a stop via YUL. As for 5th freedom on YUL-LAX, who is goign to buy a ticket on Egyptair from Montreal to Los Angeles 2 times a week  Big thumbs up



25 BA : The Eastern European carriers such as CSA offer very very competitive connections from North America and Beirut by offering much cheaper fares than th
26 SOU146 : Horus, Do you know whats going to happen to the A300-600's....?? I flew last September SSH - CAI - SSH on one of those. Was very surpised at the time
27 Horus : FLYYUL, I will have to go with The777Man on this one. If MS were to start a LAX service then they'd be able to attract passengers that wish to travel
28 Post contains links and images Horus : Hey SOU146 Do you know whats going to happen to the A300-600's....?? They are currently in the process of replacing their A300-600Rs with 7 brand new
29 Post contains images FLYYUL : Horus, I know your a big Egyptair guy, and thats really cool. However, its unfair for you to determine the exact causes and how "profitable" flights a
30 Horus : FLYYUL, I read you post and I understand that you have a good understanding about aviation but your comment, ’However, its unfair for you to determi
31 SOU146 : Hey Horus, thanks for the answers.....!! 'Anyway I hope you had a great time in Sharm El Sheikh. Did you visit any places in the south like luxor or A
32 FLYYUL : "Now as for the options you presented for getting from AMM to LAX, they seem to be inaccurate as flying the YUL-LAX sector would be with another airli
33 PresRDC : When I flew MS JFK-CAI in F this past February, the load was 1 revenue passenger (me) in F, plus two relief MS pilots and one of the two security guys
34 TLVFred : "only alternative is LY (and no Arab would want to fly them due to discrimination)." Horus - re your comment above. What do you mean discrimination? Y
35 Horus : SOU146, Great to hear you had such a brilliant time (shame about the other half falling ill though). I tried the quad-biking (some Egyptians call them
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