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User currently offlineTechrep From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15310 times:

Nov 3 2004


Rescuers find only his boots

By Stephen Moyes

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/tm_objectid=14827727%26method=full%26siteid=89488%26headline=jet%2dengine%2dsucks%2din%2dworker-name_page.html

AN AIRCRAFT engineer has been killed by being sucked into a jet engine.

Horrified workmates could only find the maintenance worker's boots lying on the ground under the Boeing 737 airliner.

Tragedy struck when a pilot started up the plane's two engines, not realising the man was examining them.

Within seconds, his entire body had been blasted through the huge rotor blades.

His screams were drowned out by the roar of the jets.

It was only when airport staff noticed blood spattered on the ground behind one engine that the gruesome accident came to light.

The plane, owned by Kazakhstan airline Air Astana, had to be taken out of service while the engine was cleaned. The incident led to an investigation by airport authorities.

The plane was understood to be about to leave Moscow for London.

The Russian contractor worked for a number of airlines, including British carriers. An airline source said: 'Everyone is in shock. The engineer was examining an engine but the pilot had not been notified.

'Within seconds of starting up the engines, the worker was dead.

'It is highly unusual because there are strict safety procedures which are followed by pilots and engineers to ensure these tragedies don't happen.

'The only comfort for the engineer's family and colleagues was that he would have died very quickly and not known much about it.'

Russian officials yesterday confirmed the incident but would not add further details.

The victim's name, age and the precise date of his death were not revealed.


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TechRep

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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15140 times:

That whole story sounds a little too made up for me and as I though, the it comes from a 'rag' newspaper. The Daily Record lends as much merit to actual news as the National Inquire does.


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User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 2, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15100 times:

Yes, I agree. Why would his boots be left behind?  Big grin


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User currently offlineHeyMach From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15091 times:

The story is very real...but happened about a month ago. Somewhere on this site there is a thread about the incident (I haven't work out how the search function operates).

User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 692 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15089 times:

This seems a little far fetched to me. I am not sure but this newspaper seems to be the equivelent of the Globe in the US.


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User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15055 times:

Think about it. Such tragedies have happened, but not the way in which the story describes it. The story says the mechanic was standing in front of the engine when the pilot started it up. But as we all know, jet engines don't just switch on. They take their sweet time spooling up. More than enough time for anybody at the intake to back off. It's not an instant vacuum effect. Far from it. It takes time to get going.


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User currently offlineAvek00 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4412 posts, RR: 19
Reply 6, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 15002 times:

This incident involved a Russian maintenance firm working on a Kazakhstani-flag jetliner - for those of us who can draw the appropriate inferences from these facts, the story is entirely plausible.


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User currently offlineHeyMach From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2003, 118 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 14963 times:

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/07/13/sheremetyevo.shtml

This was the incident that sprang to mind in my earlier post.


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14911 times:

There are no facts. Just a story. The story the way it is written has no plausibility. In fact, for such a short story in contains more implausibilites than an episode of the Simpsons.

1)...workmates could only find the maintenance worker's boots lying on the ground... - nice dramatic touch. But why, pray tell, would his boots be left behind?


1) His screams were drowned out by the roar of the jets. - This is what a writer would pen. Not a news report. How does the reporter know the mechanic screamed?

3)....airport staff noticed blood spattered on the ground behind one engine... - Hmmmm.... Actually, if you put blood into an engine, you will not get blood dripping out the back. It's a combustion chamber, not a food processer.

4)It was only when airport staff noticed blood spattered on the ground behind one engine that the gruesome accident came to light. Unlikely, the first indication would be the pilot's NI gauge. And a thousand other mechanical and electrical indicators when something that substantial goes through an engine.




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User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2465 posts, RR: 44
Reply 9, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14887 times:

Maybe the article was supose to be dated APRIL !st


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User currently offlineMattnrsa From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 394 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14866 times:

Unfortunately the story is very true. We have "safety bulletins" here at work highlighting incidents here and at other airlines. This story was featured one week. Somehow there was a copy of a Qantas safety bulletin here (I have no idea why), and it was also featured on the Qantas one.

Some of the details sound a little far-fetched (the bulletin I saw made no mention of boots or screams), but blood was mentioned to be behind the plane and actually on the fuselage.

This happened 1-2 months ago.


User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14823 times:

Here's another one...

**""The plane, owned by Kazakhstan airline Air Astana, had to be taken out of service while the engine was cleaned. The incident led to an investigation by airport authorities.""**

In a lot of cases engines have at least blade damage when a 5 lb seagull i sucked into one, here we are talking about a man who probably at least weighed 150 lbs if not more and all they had to do was clean the engine???


User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 12, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14824 times:

Consider the source. What you have here is a news item that was dressed up with creative writing for the purpose of entertainment news. Everybody knows that mechanics have died this way, but not under the circumstances relayed by this creative writer. Because of the screwy details provided, you know it was written, rather than reported, by someone who knows little about the issues involved. That's what gives it away as creative writing. It's sort of like an urban myth. Based on some true event, but re-told over and over until it becomes more fiction than truth. In this case, a writer dressed it up and served it on the internet as a kind of horror/comedy tale. In bad taste.


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User currently offlineGreasespot From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 3085 posts, RR: 20
Reply 13, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14766 times:

This is old news.

And 737 's have eaten worker before.


This one has been reported all over

http://www.flightdailynews.com/farnborough2004/07_22/airtransport/engine.shtm

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=3&art_id=qw1089795961659B262

http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/07/13/sheremetyevo.shtml

There is the results of a single google search.

Instead of saying something is not true just search for it.


Oh and on the gross side there would be lots of blood. Most of the body after it is chopped up would not go through the core. Centrifigul forces would make to go through the bypass duct. Same way that there is a lot of blood and goo on bird strikes.

GS



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 14723 times:

OK, the story first posted is very different then the news story in the later link....but clearly the same story. I could see a fully up and running engine at power doing something like that.


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User currently offlineEGGD From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2001, 12443 posts, RR: 34
Reply 15, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14630 times:

The story in the original post has been made up, it just shares common details with the incident that actually happened. I cannot see how if the captain starts the engine that within seconds it would be powerful enough to kill a worker. I'd imagine a more likely scenario being that the worker got too close without realizing (and wearing his headphones) and was sucked in without warning.

User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 14526 times:


A few points that could validate the story here,

One reason for the boots to be on the ground; when working inside an engine intake, it is common to remove your boots before climbing inside in order to prevent dirt from resting inside the engine, and just as important, to prevent the acoustic wall holes from getting filled/deformed with dirt and rocks.


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The worker might have left his boots on the ground before climbing in.

The matter of the blood behind the engine. That is plausible as well. Remember that Air Astana's 737-700's have bypass engine. It is very possible that some of the pieces of that poor man's body have bypassed the engines combustion chamber resulting in blood spewing out the bypass area in the back.


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Pretty gruesome stuff, and I feel a little bad posting clinically like this... my thoughts are for the family and friends of the deceased.



User currently offlineHmmmm... From Canada, joined May 1999, 2109 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 14423 times:

If he removed his boots before climbing into the intake, his boots would have been sucked in, as well. Unless we are to believe that he took his boots off far away, and then walked barefoot across the tarmac for no better reason than to get his socks dirty - if we are to believe he took his boots off at all. (This is beginning to sound like a Columbo murder mystery)

Then we have another tidbit in the report that shows it was elaborated with creative writing.

Tragedy struck when a pilot started up the plane's two engines.

This writer didn't know that engines are started one at a time. So we know that pilot did not start both engines. That is not a technical mistake on the part of a journalist. That is an elaboration on the part of a writer. The whole story is elaborated to make it sound freaky.

But the fact remains that there is plenty of time for a mechanic to leave the intake once the engine starts to grumble. Mechanics are sucked in by coming too close to the intake. Not at all what how the story is told. So again, what we have here is a true news item dressed with with creative writing.




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User currently offlineCessnapimp From Canada, joined Oct 2001, 1320 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14167 times:

The worker might not have been sucked in, but rather caught by the already fast moving first stage compressor fan. Wearing his hearing aid might have been effective in the initial stages of spool-up. As for the vibrations a starting engine causes, well, there's vibrations everywhere at an airport and it's easy to become oblivious after a while. He might have been looking away while the engine started, some piece of clothing reeling him in. The pilot could of shut down the engine prior to the engine being able to suck in the boots left on the ground near the engine.

Hey, a man can try right? Any other "more credible" news sources out there?


User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 14151 times:

If this is the case the engine would have to have been running and he walked by or something, but on start up if he was any kind of mech, it would take 15 or 20 seconds just to iniate the start.and that would not be enough time to suck him in...somethings, hooky here... ive heard of guys getting sucked into running military jets, and 47s,,even eyes sucked out from a distance But he would have torn that engine apart,and these idiots say the plane was taken out of service for cleaning....cleaning my eye ,,they would have had to replace half that engine..No pilot in their right mine would fly that thing with just a cleaning......


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User currently offlineWbmech From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 13023 times:

Hearing protection or not, when a 737 spools up and you are close enough to the intake to get sucked in, you will definitely hear it in time to get away from the engine. As others are posting, if this story is true, the writer must have used a lot of creative license.

User currently offlineDeltamd-88 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 123 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 12763 times:

This story sounds fake to me I have heard enginges catching on fire after ingestion a 5 lbs bird there is no way that story is true there would be alot of damage to the engine if it sucked in a full grown human..


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User currently offlineVC-10 From United Kingdom, joined Oct 1999, 3706 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12452 times:
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it is common to remove your boots before climbing inside

Well I've worked around engines for about 30 years and I have NEVER heard of someone taking their boots off before climbing into an intake.

Before an engine starts there is a wooshing hissing sound as the starter duct fills with air and the start valve opens. That would give plenty of warning and time to vacate the area before it got dangerous


User currently offline242 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12426 times:

I agree the story sounds unlikely. If you've ever stood next to a jet engine at startup, you know the 130+ db sound of the start valve opening and starter spooling up is as subtle as a punch in the face! Maybe the engine was already running and he walked in front of the inlet. The news story was most certainly written to entertain rather than inform.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29813 posts, RR: 58
Reply 24, posted (10 years 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 12382 times:

1)...workmates could only find the maintenance worker's boots lying on the ground... - nice dramatic touch. But why, pray tell, would his boots be left behind

The concept of surface area.

You can have a big guy sucked into an engine at at certain distance and a smaller guy would have been fine at the same distance.

Try this experiment.

Get a vacume cleaner with hose, and a credit card. The vacume simulates the intake of a jet. Take the credit card and move it toward the end of the vacume cleaner hose while it is running. Not the distance that the vacume sucks the credit card down on the end of the hose.

Now find something smaller like a popsicle stick and repeat. You will note that the stick can get closer to the end of that hose before it gets sucked down.

The Credit Card was a big guy, and the popsicle stick was a smaller guy....or his boots.

However I do note that the base of the story is true, there is no doubt a hell of a lot of artistic license being taken by the writer......Must work for the NYT  Laugh out loud



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25 Silver1SWA : The event this story speaks of is true. Or at least I recall reading about this a few months ago. However, there is no way in hell this story describe
26 777ER : If this is true then you would atleast expect the pilot/co-pilot to stick their head out the cockpit window to make sure its safe to start the engines
27 Baw716 : Perhaps the story is true, perhaps it is not. It would seem that at best the story has been "dressed up" for dramatic impact. I think the point here i
28 Post contains images MD11Engineer : Ok, I don´t have the link to the original article anymore, but.... There was really a Turkish Airlines mechanic sucked into a 737-500 engine at SVO n
29 Jacobin777 : ok..not sure of the story, but what WOULD be one way for someone getting sucked in???
30 Jetjeanes : ive seen hats sucked up into apu intakes but this part of the other article makes sense... it was already turning.... The 26-year-old mechanic strayed
31 Aa777flyer : The plane, owned by Kazakhstan airline Air Astana, had to be taken out of service while the engine was cleaned If this really happend this engine woul
32 Gocaps16 : MD11Engineer, Don't they use some sort of a net to cover the intakes while doing a low power or high power turn on the ramp to prevent the engine from
33 3lions : Ok....I Have worked with these engines....and The time it takes to wind up the person would had ample time to get out. Unless he was tied there. When
34 MD11Engineer : I´ve done lots of engine runs on big jets, both on the headset as well as in the cockpit with different companies. I´ve never seen a net being used.
35 Vikingair : I have never seen anyone use net or any other devices with civilian aircraft when running engines for leak checks or max power assurance runs, the key
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