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DL To Get Rid Of It's 767-200s And 737-200s?  
User currently offlineCLT18R From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9842 times:

I have heard from several Delta employees that DL plans to get rid of all of it's 767-200s and 737-200s next year. Anyone have any more info on this?

Also, does this mean they will get rid of the "Spirit Of Delta" and what will replace the 737-200 on short haul routs like ATL-CLT?

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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3275 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9757 times:

If Delta gets rid of its 767-200s, you can surely expect the 1982-vintage "Hangar Queen" N102DA to go with it. Perhaps they would be so generous to designate a 767-300 or a 777 as "Spirit of Delta". As far as replacing the 737-200s, under the circumstances, you can expect a mix of MD-88s and CRJ-700s.


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User currently offlineJetjeanes From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1431 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9744 times:

Those 737-200 are paid for are they not like the md88s, seems they would keep all a/c paid for and start dumping some that have high notes......If they are seeling these paid off aircraft it will be just a drop in the bucket compared to their debt. At least they could turn a profit on some of these paid off a/c...Werent the md-11s paid for as well,and replaced with 777s,,, Those md-11s were in pretty decent shape....It seems they are going backwards trying to turn this thing around to me...but then again im not the ceo


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User currently offlineSkyWestFan From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 179 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9726 times:

The rumors are now that of their 732, 733, 738, 752, 762, 763, 764, 772, MD-88 and MD-90's there will be some major replacing going on.

You can kiss their Md's goodbye (all 136 - 120 88's and 16 90's) being replaced by their 738s.

You can kiss their 762s goodbye too all 15 of them.

Their 732 are expected to be replaced as well.

And surprisingly their 777s are gone too, being replaced by 763 and 764s

Im not sure about the 733 but Ive heard their gone too.


Simplifying thier fleet will save them a good chunk of change. My friend is an AMT for Delta and that is what he has heard...If Im wrong let me know



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User currently offlineHlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9710 times:

They will replace the 737-200s with Northwest's DC-9s since they are Skyteam partners now  Nuts

User currently offlineDL Widget Head From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 2093 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9707 times:

ah...since when are the 777's gone?

User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9696 times:

Perhaps they would be so generous to designate a 767-300 or a 777 as "Spirit of Delta".

No employee helped purchase a 767-300 or 777-200. Hence the name Spirit of Delta on the 762. That was their first 762 and it was paid for by the employees. It is not time for that bird to die.  Sad


User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 9691 times:

If they do get rid of the 777 are the engines compatible to the ones AI is gettting. Also, were they owned or leased (and from who), and how many do they have?


Texas- it's like a whole different country!
User currently offlineRCS763av From Colombia, joined Jun 2004, 4395 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

They are not getting rid of the MD-88, they just introduced a new interior! Also, where would they get the money to but 120 738s?


Les escribo desde el frío de mi verde altiplano.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9603 times:

SkyWestFan, your post is completely inaccurate.

-MD-88's are going to be there for much longer...some of them are around 10 yrs old, hardly close for replacement. The -90's will also be alongside them for a long time too, since there's no resale market for the 90.

-762's will be leaving, just a question of when. The Spirit of Delta will be in a museum, somewhere...perhaps on DL property with the DC-3. Heard this from quite a few people.

-732's will be given back as their leases expire. I have heard several rumors of DL wanting to get ahold of some new 737-700's. Reason being- there is already provision for it in the Pilot Contract (as it was going to be the replacement for the Delta Express 732). Also, they would possibly be on a lease too, since they'd be dropping the leases on the 732's, it would be a wise financial move.

-777 gone....bullshat. Expect to lose that when they start selling oceanfront property in Arizona.

-733 will be here for a little longer, until they figgure out how/where to get rid of them. For right now, they're running DL Shuttle.

You basically said the entire list of aircraft will be replaced...nothing has left yet, save for the M11...and it'll be a little while before the rest of em trickle out. Remember, you've gotta have some aircraft to make money with!

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineDl757md From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1562 posts, RR: 16
Reply 10, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 9547 times:

-733 will be here for a little longer, until they figgure out how/where to get rid of them. For right now, they're running DL Shuttle

They're also flying out of SLC.

Dl757Md



757 Most beautiful airliner in the sky!
User currently offline1011 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 315 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9462 times:

If they get rid of the Md-88's Md-90's the 777's I would rather fly southwest airlines. I have 400,000 miles on delta. I use to fly just because it was fun. I would fly just to fly on the
L-1011 and MD-11. Now if they get rid of the MD A/C and the 777 why would I fly them. I always use to fly Delta, but since they are getting smaller planes I jumped to United. I have flown 8 times this year with United on 747's and 777 just to fly on them.

I sure hope that delta will keep their current fleets.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9441 times:

If they do get rid of the 777 are the engines compatible to the ones AI is gettting.

Nope.

Delta's birds are more powerful (Trent892) and have a higher MTOW (656,000lbs) than the PW4090 powered birds that AI will be getting.



Also, were they owned or leased

Owned




and how many do they have?

Eight thusfar


User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26481 posts, RR: 75
Reply 13, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 9417 times:

It is fitting that they get rid of 102DA, since management has killed the Spirit of Delta. You would think that since they are paid for and have commonality with the 763/764 and type rating with the 752, they would just fly them into the ground


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (9 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 9330 times:

You'd think so too..in fact, I don't see anything wrong with keeping them, other than cost. Sure, some are in the 20 yr old range, but they have commonalities in pilot bases, FA's, and MX....it's a small enough fleet to control, but large enough that it's loss will certainly be felt. They're a good little niche aircraft for transcons, and for little ATL-FL runs...pax would rather be in a widebody than a 757 or 88 for longhaul anyday (even though I love em both). I wonder how much longer we have with them....some just recieved a new paintjob after they got back from the desert!!  Sad

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineUa777222 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3348 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8704 times:

If anything chucking the 777's would save them $$. The small number of these a/c makes it EXTREMELY expensive to operate compared to their competition (AA and UA).

Thanks Again.

UA777222



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26481 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 8590 times:

Yeah, I really think DL made a mistake getting rid of the MD-11s for the 777s. They not only pay more to fly them, but the MD-11s were paid for and the 777s are a really expensive addition. The MD's are efficient (even with all the bad talked about them) can do anything DL needs them for and are also rather new. Meanwhile, World makes money from them and DL bleeds


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User currently offlineN160lh From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8526 times:

okay the idea that DL is getting rid of the 777 is bull. DL most profitable route is flt 55 and 56 ATL - NRT - ATL. Which if you start counting fingers and toes you will figure out the 767 - 400 is not up to the task! So I would total check your source SKYWESTFAN. Plus DL also delayed orders for their new 777's, if they were going to sell them then they would have also sold their option for these planes. And one more thing just to totally make my point.... DL is trying to get the new freq from ATL - CHINA. And if the -400 can make it to NRT, then I do not think that it can to CHINA.

But if i had to GUESS!!! what was going.... I would have to say MD-88/90, 737-300, and 767-200 are gone. I also think that 102DA is already scheduled to be retired sometime after the first of 05'. Plus I would look for DL's 1700's 767-300er (now setup in Domestic config) will be given a international facelift.
N160LH



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User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3483 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8378 times:

Would people stop predicting that the MD-88/90 is being retired?!? It's a FACT that they're here to stay. The only aircraft which DL's even looking at retiring are the 732, 733, 73G, and 762, all of which would take some time to retire. DL is definitely keeping the 777, they eventually plan to operate a total of 13 if my memory serves me correctly. People need to stop speculating on what's going to happen because we pretty much already know.

Jeremy


User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8350 times:

The ONLY aircraft that Delta will be retiring in the near future will be the 762's, 732's, 733's, and 737NG's.

The MD90's will stick around because, as stated, there is not much resale for them and they are key for many flights out of SLC.

The MD88's and 757s will stick around because there are just too many of them to get rid of.

The 763's and 764's are key moneymakers for Delta and are still young and economical, as are all the 738's.

The 777's are also young and will not be going anywhere. Delta cannot support the current trans-Pac service to NRT and hopefully the new Beijing service. 764's aren't going to cut it. I would say expect to see more 777's around in the future(I never said near future).


As far as Ship 102, as sad as it will be to see her retired, I would not expect to see Delta sell her. The biggest rumors around the company are that she will be put to pasture over at the Delta Heritage Museum at the General Offices. Hopefully, maybe they can find a way to house her in Hangar Two and place Ship 41 and the Travelair in Hangar One. She could probably hold her own out front of the hangars, but I would hate to see what the sun would do to her. However, do not expect the company get rid of her, there is too much history between her and the employees. Get rid of Ship 102 and you would give employees no reason to trust management at all. Plus, she is a bit of a Hangar Queen, as beautiful as she is, so if anyone else found out they probably wouldn't want to buy her.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16865 posts, RR: 51
Reply 20, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 8344 times:

Put the MD-90s on the Shuttle routes, they are kind of an oddball in the fleet so creating a dedicated fleet and configuration of MD-90s in Shuttle service makes sense (to me).



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User currently offlineLrgt From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 710 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8268 times:

Then why did they just do total refurbs on all stored 767-200's and bring them back to service??


Don't bring up the NW DC9's unless you have to!
User currently offlineNycfuturepilot From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 791 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8213 times:

According to airways magazine, DL plans on getting rid of 5 of its aircraft types over the next 6 years (i know it was 5 a/c could be wrong in how long thouhg, ill dbl check and edit my post). So now that the 732 and 762s are gone im guessing the next three will be the 733, md80, and md90. I could be totally wrong on the other three that theyre going to get rid of but i cant see them giving up any of their other aircraft.


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User currently offlineNucsh From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Delta dosn't only fly the 732 into CLT. They frequently fly 738s and MD80s into CLT as well. Expect more of those to fill up the 732 slots, maybe filling in the gap with a few extra connection flights a day.

(from another CLT native)



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User currently offlineNucsh From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 238 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (9 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 8117 times:

Sorry for the double post...



Ok, OttoPylit, state why they're going to get rid of their BRAND NEW 737NGs... I dont find that happening at all until the 737NGs are as old as the current MD80s.



If landing is about "kissing" the ground, you just about raped it.
25 Cubsrule : They frequently fly 738s and MD80s into CLT as well It's 7x 732 and a lone EV CRJ right now. DL needs the frequency to make up for the fact that peopl
26 Post contains images Dazed767 : Didn't we already cover this? Reducing fleet complexity by retiring a minimum of four fleet types in four years. 737-200 737-300 737-300G MD-11 For so
27 DeltaGuy : I think he meant to say 73G's....the 737-300 with the EFIS panels, aquired from Germania I believe...those are on the Shuttle now IIRC. DeltaGuy
28 SkyWestFan : Sorry guys, I was just passing some rumors along. Thanks for correcting me. SW
29 N1120a : Maybe we should make an A.net rule about the DL 737-300s with the glass cockpit. Since DL does not use the Boeing designation correctly (calling them
30 Post contains images DeltaGuy : It's all good SW...as long as you weren't heartset on those facts DeltaGuy
31 SegmentKing : Regarding ATL-NRT being Delta's most profitable route, since when was Delta profitable? -n
32 CLT18R : From Dazed767: "For some reason they classified 2 different 737-300s (one having somewhat of a glass cockpit). MD-11 were on the list because they sti
33 N801DM : I read the same article in the ajc. Fedex was certainly interested in the airplanes. They were studying cost differences since DL M11 are Pratt powere
34 FlyPNS1 : DL has already signed a deal to sell 8 MD11's to Fedex. However, DL still has an additional 5 MD11's that are on leases.
35 Syncmaster : Sorry to disappoint some of you, but the 738's are here to stay. There is way too many in the fleet to drop them now, and way too many on order. The 7
36 Gigneil : They were studying cost differences since DL M11 are Pratt powered and theirs are GE. FX already operates a diverse fleet of PW and GE M11s. These wou
37 N160lh : SegmentKing- Their is a differance between being porfitable airline, and having a profitable route. Flt 55 and 56 are easily DL most profitable ROUTES
38 Gigneil : There is no way they can ground the MD-88 and operate even half their current schedule. N
39 N160lh : Like i said before keep the guess's coming...! Until DL writes it in ink, its anybodies guess. Oh and Gigneil remember DL just freed up a bunch of RJ'
40 Gigneil : I don't agree with that number at all. RJs have astronomically high CASMs. They didn't free up hundreds of RJs. They just began a process of installin
41 Zvezda : Regarding the 762s already being paid for, they have very high seat mile costs. I can't imagine any way to profitably operate 762s in the current envi
42 Dl757Md : N160lh Plus DL also delayed orders for their new 777's, if they were going to sell them then they would have also sold their option for these planes.
43 OttoPylit : Nucsh, Ok, OttoPylit, state why they're going to get rid of their BRAND NEW 737NGs... I dont find that happening at all until the 737NGs are as old as
44 Post contains links and images Dazed767 : Regular 737-300 cockpit View Large View MediumPhoto © Gregg Stansbery B737-300G View Large View MediumPhoto © Ryan Gaddis - SPOT THIS! B737-
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