Highlights from the above mentioned article link :
1. QR to order 60 B 7E7s.
2. 10 only will be the smallest long range -800 model seating 217 pax in 3 classes.
3. The vast majority will be the long range stretch -900 version seating 257 pax in 3 classes.
4. Qatar Airways has asked Airbus to defer deliveries of its A380s until the second quarter of 2009. Delivery of its first A380-800 was scheduled for 2007, but delays in construction of New Doha International Airport have left the airline with no other choice than to postpone the delivery.
5. QR will launch new routes to Osaka, Melbourne, Tunis, Algiers, Athens and possibly New York next summer as it unveiled a codeshare agreement with bmi. Under the accord, Qatar's QR code will be placed on bmi connecting services from London Heathrow to nine onward bmi destinations in the UK and Europe and on bmi connecting flights from Manchester to three Scottish destinations.
AA777 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 2531 posts, RR: 30 Reply 2, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6528 times:
It doesnt say they WILL order 7E7s for sure-- yet it does say they are looking @ 60 planes IF they order. I will say this however: if Qatar didnt want to expand it's fleet more, they wouldnt be pushing thier A380 orders back by two years. I.E. they are looking to expand their fleet networks substantially before they add the Enormous A380 to their fleet. If Boeing is able to secure 60 more orders for the 7E7, it is a substantial number, which will push the order # above 100! Go Oatar Airways
BTW, I think it is too late if Airbus is gonna try to pitch thier A350 to Qatar Airways... they should have started a lotttt earlier. Ah well.
Kaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12167 posts, RR: 35 Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6488 times:
The A350 is still not fully defined. Frankly, I'm not surprised at QR (and other carriers) being more interested in the 7E7-9 than the -8. Hopefully, this will encourage Boeing to bring the intro date forward.
I wonder if one of the factors working against an earlier intro date for the -9 was the possibility that it might chew into the lower end of the 772 market?
However, the flipside is that an earlier 7E9 might bring other potential 7E7 operators out of the woodwork. A choice of models might be particularly attractive to those who might want to replace both A330-200s and -300s (as QR may wish to do).
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 4 Reply 4, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 6466 times:
Kaitak, i really don't think the intro date is gonna be pushed up, Boeing has estimated 200 LOIs/Orders by year end, so unless we surpass that (220+) i don't think we will see any difference in deliveries. If the orders/LOIs exceed 200, maybe we can expect Boeing to Speed up deliveries, increasing factory output.
Boeing will need to sort out delivery priorities as not many airlines can wait till 2010+++, time to speed up production
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4657 posts, RR: 43 Reply 5, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6402 times:
Qatar Airways has announced the operation of services to six new centres from Doha. The Doha-based airline company will soon be reaching out to Beijing, London Gatwick, Yangon, Seychelles, Cape Town and Johannesburg.
The services to Beijing with A 332s will start on November 25 with three services per week. On November 26, services to Gatwick in London will start. There will be daily flights to Gatwick with A 332s.
The Doha-Seychelles service with A 320s starting on December 1 will operate on four days a week.
The service to Yangon in Myanmar will be launched on January 8, 2005 using an A 319LR. Four services a week have been scheduled to the capital city of Myanmar.
The flights to Cape Town and Johannesburg in South Africa will start on January 16, 2005. Four services a week will be operated to both the destinations using the A 330-200.
N1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 25996 posts, RR: 78 Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6386 times:
>I wonder if one of the factors working against an earlier intro date for the -9 was the possibility that it might chew into the lower end of the 772 market?
However, the flipside is that an earlier 7E9 might bring other potential 7E7 operators out of the woodwork. A choice of models might be particularly attractive to those who might want to replace both A330-200s and -300s (as QR may wish to do).<
The 7E9 will likely eat the 772ER, A343 and A330 alive.
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Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4657 posts, RR: 43 Reply 7, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 6333 times:
Please remember that when BOEING says "standard" 3 class B 7E7-900 seats 257 pax in 3 classes...it means F class with a 60 inch seat pitch, J with 42 and Y with 32.
Since now all the world's long haul intl flights are operated with F class minimum 70-80 inch seat pitches + J 50-65 and Y 32-34...I would expect QRs B 7E7-900 to seat a max of 210-225 pax in a 3 class layout based upon its new F class being 78 inches, J class 58 inches and Y 32...plus sleepers in J and F.
If 225 seater then it will prove to be an effective replacement of both A 332s and AB6s though I doubt that AB6s will be in pax service for QR in 2008-09. The max I would say is that AB6s have 2-3 years left flying pax flights for QR.
Boeingfever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 56 Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6242 times:
Is not QR a all Airbus fleet as of now, thought they placed a big Airbus order in 2003? I think they fly:
A300 -10 currently in fleet.
A319 -2 currently in fleet.
A320 -12 curretly in fleet.
A321 -2 curretly in fleet.
A332 -12 current with (6) more on order.
A333 -1current with (10) more on order.
A342 -1 currently in fleet?
A345 -1 currentlt in fleet.
A346 (2) on order.
A380 (2) on order.
Why the change in fleet if they do place a purchase with Boeing?
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4657 posts, RR: 43 Reply 14, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 6026 times:
Further to my previous post...QR has 2 confirmed A 346s on order + 8 options...325 seats in 3 classes where as their 2 A 380s will have 460 seats in 3 classes. QRs new A 333s seat 259 pax in a 3 class layout. Qatar Airways has chosen an A340-600 version with additional payload/range flexibility via an increased 376 tonnes maximum take-off weight (MTOW).
FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 6019 times:
Back to the topic, there is ABSOLUTELY nothing signed yet concerning the 7e7 or the A350... and there is nothing new on this subject.
ALL the airlines in the world are constently in talks with ALL the manufacturers.
The deal with QR was that as a counterpart and compensation for delaying the delivery of the A380, the airline would order the A350... and believe,
me, Airbus will do everything possible to win this order or QR will have to pay a VERY big fines for not taking up the A380 in time.
Greaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1086 posts, RR: 4 Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5950 times:
FLYSSC, wouldn't that be blackmail??
Also, isn't QR in a commanding position?? Raise the fines, whine and no more planes from you?!?!
Also, note the 'Qatar Airways is talking to Boeing about a potential order for up to 60 7E7s', not just talk, but negotiations. Normally Airlines tend to talk to the manufacturers over a family of jets, with no specific numbers, but it could still turn Airbus'es way...
'We're ready to sign an MOU from the moment Boeing crystallizes the definitions of the dash 9(7E7-9)'
Also, if Airbus refuses to delay, QR could just lease out the A380s for 2 years, not too hard considering there would be less than 100 in the air in 2007
Knoxibus From France, joined Aug 2007, 237 posts, RR: 22 Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5945 times:
Well we've been talking with QTR since end of June for the purchase of 40 ex A330 type aircraft. At that time I did not know if it was the A330 or A350 proposed, although the marketing guys told me A330.
I believe the sales campaign is still going on, but I know that we are working closely with QTR on the A350 in terms of performance/cabin definition.
Like for any new aircraft anyway, that would be the case, to work closely with the operators...
No other inputs yet, but indeed, as mentioned already, word has been running around that if the A380 was to be delayed, QTR would go for the A330/A350 types.
But I am sure Boeing will do its best to get this market.
Time will tell.
By the way, one of the A380 is supposed to be for VIP transport purposes!!
Having seen the A340-500/A330 project for QAF, I can only imagine an A380 with VIP outfitting will be simply stunning!
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FLYSSC From France, joined Aug 2003, 7353 posts, RR: 58 Reply 19, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5819 times:
This is not blackmail... Fines are defined in the initial contract for the Airline if it doesn't take delivery of the a/c on time, and for the manufacturer if it can't deliver the a/c on time.
Those fines, of course, can always be renegociated, especially with the good customers...
But I have the feeling that, today, QR doesen't have any coherent fleet plan...
It seems to me that here is just a big race of the "self ego" of those airlines in the Middle East (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar etc...) who all want to be the BIGGER, the BETTER and it seems like outbidding :
"You've ordered 20 A330 ? ... I order 25 !"
"You will have the B773ER ? I want it too... plus the 7e7 " etc... etc...
This exactely the meaning of the order of the A380 by QR. "If Emirates has it, I must have it too" ! but they don't have the clue what they are going to do with it !
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 7 Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 5651 times:
**"It seems to me that here is just a big race of the "self ego" of those airlines in the Middle East (Emirates, Etihad, Qatar etc...) who all want to be the BIGGER, the BETTER and it seems like outbidding :"**
Isn't this sort of the same thing that American Legacy carriers did in the mid 1990s with their new Boeing and Airbus aircraft? And now they are all in CH.11 or close to it?
I know the Middle East is a growing market, but its going to get oversaturated pretty quickly and ten years from now, a few of these companies might be filing for bankruptcy.
Gigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16309 posts, RR: 87 Reply 23, posted (9 years 1 month 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5227 times:
The 7E9 will likely eat the 772ER, A343 and A330 alive.
The 7E9 will only be a foot or two bigger than the 332. I doubt it will do much against those larger aircraft.
FLYSSC, wouldn't that be blackmail??
No, that would be a contract. QR contracted Airbus to provide the planes, as such Airbus has begun acquiring parts and labor to provide them - financial commitments. If Qatar doesn't take them or cancels, then they still owe Airbus.