ERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6692 posts, RR: 18 Reply 1, posted (9 years 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4544 times:
Welcome to the club, PIT. It's really not that bad. Plenty of ex-hubs have made a wonderful name for themselves. Just check out BNA, RDU, CMH... they are all doing well... worry not, for it is a new beginning. Besides, unlike the others, PIT will have plenty of gates to offer new carriers..
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 7, posted (9 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4167 times:
An airport is a hub when the airline says it is one, and to my knowledge US Airways hasn't declared PIT a focus city yet. The largest focus city to my knowledge is AA at LAX and they don't even have 200 a day, 229 flights a day is a pretty healthy amount for a focus city. If SS did rebrand it as a focus city, I consider it a sign of things to come.
This article is very similar to what we saw in St Louis around the time of our cuts. It made AA look bad, and it certainly doesn't do any favors for US. For a while after so much publicity about the cuts in St Louis, people denied that American still existed here...
ATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3 Reply 9, posted (9 years 4 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4125 times:
229 flights, might as well call it a hub. I remember when RDU had AA as a hub, it was right about that number, 230-250 sometimes. Even when JI came in...it was a hub and had less than the 229 PIT has right now....USAirways still has a good presence. Would be very cool though to see FL go in there...can you see 4 hubs for FL, ATL, MDW, PIT, and DFW! Before you know it they are bigger than WN. I'd love to see jetBlue head into that market with their 190's!!
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Flaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1176 posts, RR: 4 Reply 12, posted (9 years 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 4014 times:
N670UW has it right. They're keeping just enough flights to hold everyone else at bay while continuing to gouge the local market. I stopped flying with them in January. All of my westbound travel is now with AA and my southbound travel with FL and DL in that order of preference. Fortunately I dont have to go northbound or I might still be stuck with them. At this point I wish they would just simply die and get it over with.
I can remember when they had well over 500 departures a day out of PIT and it was still difficult to book at a reasonable fare westbound or without connecting southbound, even to markets with four or more nonstops. There was so much connecting traffic that you had to book light years ahead. It still amazes me how they managed to to take their highest yielding market and run it into the ground.
ScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6440 posts, RR: 33 Reply 13, posted (9 years 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3841 times:
According to the company's fact sheet, which can be viewed at http://www.usair.com/about/corporate/profile/factsheets/index.htm, PIT no longer carries the designation of being a hub as CLT and PHL still do. However, close to 1/3 of PIT's daily flights are largely connecting traffic from small markets like MGW, FKL, SHD, DUJ, ERI, etc. Roughly half of PIT's daily mainline service goes to the other hubs/focus cities.
Honestly, I think PIT has dropped below the critical mass point where US can keep other carriers from entering the market.
N766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8034 posts, RR: 25 Reply 14, posted (9 years 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 3665 times:
And for the first time in recent history Cleveland surpasses Pitt in number of flights. Never thought I'd see the day. I hope someone picks up Pittsburgh soon, especially if US goes under... it's a great airport.
Supa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (9 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3562 times:
US still serves some 28 of the top 30 destinations for local passengers from PIT. It is (basically) a fully served market. The recent reduction simply diverts through-traffic to more financially efficient hubs (i.e., anywhere but PIT). PIT is now a focus city, one of four (soon to be five).
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2055 posts, RR: 37 Reply 18, posted (9 years 4 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
Probably Kansas City and Minneapolis, I'm not really sure though.
PIT isn't necessarily up a creek even if US folds, they would still have several options. FL would probably add flights, and you'd almost definitely end up seeing a larger scale focus city than what is in place at IND/MKE.
N670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1599 posts, RR: 8 Reply 21, posted (9 years 4 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 3257 times:
There's virtually no local air traffic between Pittsburgh and Cleveland (they all drive). When there were two carriers flying the route, almost all the passengers were making connections. The US Express passengers were CLE local passengers making connections in PIT; the CO Connection passengers are PIT local passengers making connections in CLE.