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PIT Offically Loses Hub Status  
User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

As of Sunday, November 7, PIT is no longer a hub for US. It is now considered a focus city with 229 flights a day. Down from 373 in July and 327 in September.

Here's the article http://postgazette.com/pg/04314/409012.stm

Maybe another airline will see the potential of having a medium size operation at PIT.



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User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6761 posts, RR: 17
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4815 times:

Welcome to the club, PIT. It's really not that bad. Plenty of ex-hubs have made a wonderful name for themselves. Just check out BNA, RDU, CMH... they are all doing well... worry not, for it is a new beginning. Besides, unlike the others, PIT will have plenty of gates to offer new carriers..


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26414 posts, RR: 76
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4742 times:

The sick thing is, fares will probably go down and service levels up (through frequency, but not destination).


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User currently offlineNwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 690 posts, RR: 14
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4700 times:

Well 229 flights per day really is not that bad. Many hubs have fewer flights than that. I am sure that PIT will do OK, even if US pulls out even more.


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User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6422 posts, RR: 17
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4649 times:

229 FLIGHTS


how many are mainline?

Are the flights still arriving and departing in banks??? If so, I would still call it a HUB. Is the operation still use all of concourses A and B?



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User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4536 times:

They closed the commuter terminal (Concourse E) and all US Airways mainline and Express flights have been moved to concourse A and B.

There will be a lot of gates open, so maybe F9, WN, B6 or someone else will move in. Or perhaps FL will increase their operations in PIT like they did once before (but US muscled them out).



User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4500 times:

Thats about the same number of flights DL had at DFW, and they considered it a hub.


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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4438 times:

An airport is a hub when the airline says it is one, and to my knowledge US Airways hasn't declared PIT a focus city yet. The largest focus city to my knowledge is AA at LAX and they don't even have 200 a day, 229 flights a day is a pretty healthy amount for a focus city. If SS did rebrand it as a focus city, I consider it a sign of things to come.

This article is very similar to what we saw in St Louis around the time of our cuts. It made AA look bad, and it certainly doesn't do any favors for US. For a while after so much publicity about the cuts in St Louis, people denied that American still existed here...


User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4394 times:

Lambert-US has 204 at LaGuardia, which is a focus city for them. AA, on the other hand, has 157 at Los Angeles International.


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User currently offlineATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4396 times:

229 flights, might as well call it a hub.  Big thumbs up I remember when RDU had AA as a hub, it was right about that number, 230-250 sometimes. Even when JI came in...it was a hub and had less than the 229 PIT has right now....USAirways still has a good presence. Would be very cool though to see FL go in there...can you see 4 hubs for FL, ATL, MDW, PIT, and DFW! Before you know it they are bigger than WN. I'd love to see jetBlue head into that market with their 190's!!


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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4354 times:

US Airways is calling it a focus city. The hubs are Charlotte and Philadelphia and the focus cities are Boston, LGA, DCA, and Pittsburgh (and FLL next February).

Ironically, US still has enough of a presence that it will probably keep most carriers from setting up a major operation here.



N670UW


User currently offlineCloud4000 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 641 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4338 times:

I'm sure someone will come in and fill the breach. People aren't going to stop flying, they're just not going to pay a whole for it.


Boston, USA
User currently offlineFlaps From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 1266 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4285 times:

N670UW has it right. They're keeping just enough flights to hold everyone else at bay while continuing to gouge the local market. I stopped flying with them in January. All of my westbound travel is now with AA and my southbound travel with FL and DL in that order of preference. Fortunately I dont have to go northbound or I might still be stuck with them. At this point I wish they would just simply die and get it over with.

I can remember when they had well over 500 departures a day out of PIT and it was still difficult to book at a reasonable fare westbound or without connecting southbound, even to markets with four or more nonstops. There was so much connecting traffic that you had to book light years ahead. It still amazes me how they managed to to take their highest yielding market and run it into the ground.


User currently offlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6742 posts, RR: 32
Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

According to the company's fact sheet, which can be viewed at http://www.usair.com/about/corporate/profile/factsheets/index.htm, PIT no longer carries the designation of being a hub as CLT and PHL still do. However, close to 1/3 of PIT's daily flights are largely connecting traffic from small markets like MGW, FKL, SHD, DUJ, ERI, etc. Roughly half of PIT's daily mainline service goes to the other hubs/focus cities.

Honestly, I think PIT has dropped below the critical mass point where US can keep other carriers from entering the market.


User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8227 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3936 times:

And for the first time in recent history Cleveland surpasses Pitt in number of flights. Never thought I'd see the day. I hope someone picks up Pittsburgh soon, especially if US goes under... it's a great airport.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

It might be a GREAT airport though it does not have the passengers to support it.


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User currently offlineSupa7E7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3833 times:

US still serves some 28 of the top 30 destinations for local passengers from PIT. It is (basically) a fully served market. The recent reduction simply diverts through-traffic to more financially efficient hubs (i.e., anywhere but PIT). PIT is now a focus city, one of four (soon to be five).



User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3798 times:

Does anybody know which 2 markets out of the top 30 are missing and which rank the missings have?

User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 36
Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Probably Kansas City and Minneapolis, I'm not really sure though.

PIT isn't necessarily up a creek even if US folds, they would still have several options. FL would probably add flights, and you'd almost definitely end up seeing a larger scale focus city than what is in place at IND/MKE.


User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

Throwing some numbers together quickly, I found US will offer nonstop service in 23 of PIT's top 30 markets (according to the DOT's 3Q2003 data)

The top 30 markets not offered are IAH (#16), MSP (#18), SNA (#21 - cut a couple years ago), MCI (#22), MKE (#26), MYR (#29), and JAX (#30 - never served nonstop).

However, PIT will still retain service to a few of those cities on other carriers: IAH (Continental), MSP (Northwest), MKE (Midwest).



N670UW

[Edited 2004-11-10 05:38:06]

User currently offlineRedngold From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6907 posts, RR: 44
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3547 times:

USAirways Express to CLE is gone; they've increased frequencies to PHL and CLT. There is still one daily mainline flight to/from CLT.

So now the only CLE-PIT service is on CommutAir (CO Connection) with their Beech 1900s.


redngold



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User currently offlineN670UW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1603 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3528 times:

There's virtually no local air traffic between Pittsburgh and Cleveland (they all drive). When there were two carriers flying the route, almost all the passengers were making connections. The US Express passengers were CLE local passengers making connections in PIT; the CO Connection passengers are PIT local passengers making connections in CLE.



N670UW


User currently offlineWillbdsp From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 3242 times:

If other airlines want to move into or expand at PIT, I don't think US is in a position to try to compete with them.

Didn't NW say something about building up PIT much like MKE and IND?


User currently offlineNWADC9 From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4896 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2813 times:

Yes, NW DID say something about building up at PIT, as well as Southwest, jetBlue, etc.


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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2789 times:

If there was such a hot market there, then why is US downsizing like they are! The market for O and D passengers are just not there. And this trend will continue until the economy hopefully improves.


You can cut the irony with a knife
25 Post contains images Bcbhokie : I connected through PIT about two weeks ago on my way from ROA to SEA. I had one of the last ROA-PIT flights, since ROA has now been pulled from the U
26 Atcboy73 : Are the PIT flights timed in banks and if so how many are there?
27 Willbdsp : Pittsburgh is a beautiful airport and yes, I agree it is starting to show some wear and tear. Tom Forrester must be rolling in his grave right now. He
28 N670UW : Yes, NW did say something about a MKE-like focus city. There was an article on msnbc.com about it, but the article has expired (I think MSNBC removes
29 N670UW : Bcbhokie, That building is a heavy maintenance facility. 737 heavy checks are performed in there. Half of those lights don't usually work anyway (it's
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