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Question About LAS-PHX In Early 1970's  
User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2757 times:

I need some assistance, and who better to ask than the experts here at a.net?  Big grin

There was a thread about "Your First Airplane Flight", and I realized I know every plane I've been on except my very first flight. Here are the clues I know from what my mother has told me:

1) We had been in Zion National Park visiting my dad (who was working as a park ranger in the summer), and therefore would have driven into Las Vegas, where my dad's mother lives, and she would have put us on the plane.

2) We made a stop-over in Phoenix on our way back to Ft. Smith, Arkansas (FSM). Mom is very sure of this.

3) It would have been summer of 1971 or 1972. My sister, who my mother remembers carrying on her lap, was very young (and if she was along, it could not have been summer of 1970 or before). I remember distinctly flying at Christmastime in 1974, but nothing before. It could not have been 1973, as that was a memorable summer for other good reasons.

4) I have no memory of this trip at all, and mom does not recall any details other than those mentioned. We could possibly have flown the same airline all the way or we could have switched somewhere else.

Now that you know the details, any good ideas about what possible airlines and airplanes we might have made the trip on?


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User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2736 times:

boy, i wish i could help ya more but my OAG collection only goes back to 1975. it shows that only Hughes Airwest flew between LAS-PHX....DC-9's all day. it only shows Frontier as flying into FSM, from Dallas on Convairs.

maybe someone else will have one that goes a few more years back.

chris



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2714 times:

Thanks Chris - I was thinking it would probably have been Huges Air West to PHX, and then maybe Braniff, Delta, or American to either Fort Worth or Dallas Love Field (this would have been before DFW came into use) and finally Frontier into Fort Smith.

How sad that I might have flown on the "Top Banana In The West" AND flown into an airport no longer in use (Great Southwest International) and not remember it...



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3266 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2695 times:

Chrisjake,
I know this may sound a little extreme, but is there a way to list all traffic into PHX in 1975 from your OAG? If not, is there a link to be able to see all the nonstop traffic from PHX? Certainly it's just a fraction of what Phoenix has going on now. Thanks.



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User currently offlineM404 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 2225 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2655 times:
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Having worked at LAS with RW during all the 70's I'd have to say we were the guilty party as far as PHX was concerned. Most likely a DC9-10 or 30. In the very early 70's we did have a flight that, with an F-27, went LAS-IGM(Kingman) PRC (Prescott) PHX. Also we served GCM (Grand Canyon) with F-27s from both PHX and LAS. Even a third possiblity from your itinerary was our flt that went SLC-CDC (Cedar City) PGA (Page) GCN then LAS and connected to PHX both at LAS and GCN. DC9s served GCN from both cities as well so you see you have loads of opportunities with the Banana. FL served FSM from DEN and DFW and possibly PHX but it would have been via DEN. I once non-reved on an FL737 or CV580 DEN-LAW?(Lawton, OK) TUL, FSM, MEM then back on same plane MEM-LIT-LAW-DFW. Before you ask I was dating the f/a. Anyway, many possibilities but no positives.


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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2026 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

If you transited in North Texas in the early 1970s, you almost certainly landed at Dallas Love Field. Fort Worth-Greater Southwest closed to scheduled airlines in 1969 and, although the airfield remained open for charters and training flights, all commercial traffic used DAL until DFW was ready for service on January 13, 1974.

If memory serves, Fort Smith was served by Braniff 727s from Tulsa and Shreveport, and Frontier CV580s from OKC, TUL, DAL and a few other points. You may have transferred two or even three times en route from LAS.


User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 868 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 2567 times:

Jmc1975....these are the nonstops listed for Dec '75. a general listing w/o details

ABQ TWA 727's
ORD AA DC10/727's TWA 727/L1011's
DFW AA 727/707's DL 727/DC-8's
DEN WA 727/720's FL 737's
ELP CO 727/720
IAH CO 727
MCI TWA 727
LAS RW DC-9's
LAX CO 727's AA DC10/727/707's TWA 727/L1011 WA 727/720's
BUR RW DC-9's
ONT RW DC-9's
MSP WA 727/720's
JFK AA 707/DC10's TWA 707/L1011
OKC TWA 727
PHL AA 707
PDX WA 727
STL AA 707/727 TWA 727
SLC RW DC-9's
SAT CO 727
SAN AA 707's WA 727's
SFO AA 727/DC10 TWA 707/727/L1011
SJO RW DC-9's
SNA RW DC-9's
TUS CO 727's RW DC-9/F-27 AA 707's FL 737's DP DTO/402's
IAD AA 707s TWA 707s
YUM RW F-27's DP 402/DTO


WA = Western
FL = Frontier
DP = Cochise
DTO = Twin Otter
402 = Cessna 402



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3266 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2538 times:

Chrisjake,
Thanks. TW L10s and AA D10s to ORD, LAX, JFK and SFO.....Amazing! Surprising no nonstops to OAK, SEA, LGB, RNO, MCI, DTW or ATL. It would've been some great spotting in PHX back then!  Smile



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