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US Air Union Members Authorize Strike  
User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 24805 posts, RR: 46
Posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

Might seem like nuts, however the CWA union representing about 6000 customer service agents have passed a strike authorization.

Below is the CWA statement.


11-10-2004

Strike authorization vote by US Airways Passenger Service employees passes overwhelmingly: 86% approve, 14% disapprove...
CWA represented US Airways agents and reps have voted overwhelmingly to authorize a strike or other lawful job action in the event that management imposes concessions through the bankruptcy process without a vote of the employees. With strong showings from all locations and workgroups, the CWA Passenger Service local presidents counted the ballots today at CWA’s national headquarters in Washington, DC .

The final vote tally was 86% in favor of strike authorization and 14% opposed. Full details and explanation of the strike vote authorization process and procedures, including CWA strike benefits, is contained in the letter you received at your home address accompanying your strike authorization ballot.
The CWA local presidents immediately issued this statement: “Thank you, agents and reps, for giving us this show of strength and determination. We pledge to make every effort to reach a reasonable settlement with management – a settlement that can be ratified by a vote of the employees. Thank you for support.”

Negotiations continue this week; management’s bankruptcy motion to reject our contract may come as early as Monday...

CWA’ers and management met on Tuesday, November 9, and received management’s latest proposal; there was some movement, but still a very long way to go before it would be acceptable to the agents and reps.

We are working on a counter-proposal and at the same time our analysts are exchanging information with management analysts to compare the value of their proposals vs. ours.
We expect to be engaged in that process all week and are aiming to present a proposal to management on Friday if possible, or early next week at the latest. We are anticipating that management will file their 1113c bankruptcy motion to reject our contract as early as next Monday, November 15. We’ll keep you informed.
CWA Local Officers and Staff



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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5103 times:

Can you blame them? They are probably so tired of the crap there that they see no other choice.


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User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6491 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5032 times:

I guess this is the beginning to the end ? Can't blame them either.

The777Man



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User currently offlineAzul320 From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 281 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5019 times:

The bad news just keeps getting worse at US, so much negativity there.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

I can blame them. They'll all be completely out of a job, and destitute.

N


User currently onlineSpacepope From Vatican City, joined Dec 1999, 2898 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4989 times:

Bankrupt airline barely holding on... Strike sounds like a great idea to me. Guess we'll see just how long the union supports them after the airline liquidates.


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User currently offlineN1120a From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26357 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

>I can blame them. They'll all be completely out of a job, and destitute.<

As opposed to the alternative? Out of a job, destitute and with an even smaller last check?



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3204 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4963 times:



Bye Bye USAirways.

I guess this is good news for Indy and DL.
But god, how stupid can ya get. The problem is, there are too many planes active in that area...it is as simple as that. They may help solve that problem by removing themselves from the equation.

I'm sure Indy would love to up its loads around the DC area, and although they competite from different airports, it will still have an impact. Im sure delta would love to increase shuttle frequencies. Im sure all of the majors would like one less trans-atlantic competitor given they all seem to want to put a greater focus on international operations. Really, this is all very very stupid. I know they're not happy with the current situation, but pushing themselves to the wall even faster isnt going to help.


User currently offlineBucky707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1028 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4935 times:

"I can blame them. They'll all be completely out of a job, and destitute."



There is a reason the gate agents voted to strike. They are down to less than $10 an hour. They can go replace that income anywhere. No reason not to strike. My guess is the vast majority of them are ready willing and able to leave for other employement.


User currently offlineJeb94 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 598 posts, RR: 5
Reply 9, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4932 times:

Don't be surprised if the mechanics join them soon. Some of the things that USAir management wants them to agree to is unbelievable and a total slap in the face. Better to be collecting unemployment and looking for another job than putting up with USAir management.

User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4927 times:

If these people don't like it QUIT... there are plenty of people that would love to take their "crappy" jobs if it puts food on the table.


THIS IS COMPLETELY SELFISH of them! They shouldn't ruin the job market for the sake of vengeance, if they do I have no pity to give them.



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User currently offlineBENNETT123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7438 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4876 times:


How will this ruin the job market.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 12, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4862 times:


There is a reason the gate agents voted to strike. They are down to less than $10 an hour. They can go replace that income anywhere. No reason not to strike. My guess is the vast majority of them are ready willing and able to leave for other employement.


Ah, right. The "we're pissed so we're going to ruin it for everyone" approach.

Classy.

N


User currently offlineDanny From Poland, joined Apr 2002, 3508 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

Very smart. This will accelerate the demise of US Airways and help the industry.

User currently offlineATLhomeCMH From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 770 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4753 times:

I guess this is good news for Indy and DL.

Ummm, not Indy b/c they're not too far behind US. DL would benefit more than Indy.

This was a catch-22 situation from jump street...the union was trying to fend off another pay/benefit cut, but by doing this, US has assured their own demise...and soon. If they strike during the holidays, US won't survive the winter (if that long).



"The most terrifying words in the Engligh language are, 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'"-Ronald Reagan
User currently offlineN6376m From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4744 times:

Ask Eastern Airlines union members how this strategy worked for them. See ya US.

User currently offlineRogerThat From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 566 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

Eastern's IAM union leader Charilie Bryan cuts grass at a golf course last I heard.

User currently offlineUS A333 PIT From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 310 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4674 times:

If the pay is so low and it would be easy to earn that salary at any other job, why wouldn't you just quit? Why can't it be an individual decision? If it's not worth it to you anymore, go do something else. Then those for whom it is still worth their while can continue working. But no, the CWA has to ruin it for everyone. Unionization, still clinging to ole' Karl Marx's manifesto: Workers of the world: Unite! I feel like all of these people missed the junior high history class memo...IT DOESN'T WORK! Good luck US Airways. I was always the optimist when it came to your survival. I've been flying you since I was a kid but with this behavior I just can't chance it anymore. God speed.

User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6754 posts, RR: 17
Reply 18, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4673 times:

This has got to be one of the most assinine moves I have seen. Strike? That makes no sense. So instead of getting paid $10/hour.. they are going to get paid $0/hour? And what makes any of them think they can just shut the airline down today and have a job tomorrow? Do they realize how many people they will be competing against in the real world? Do they think another airline job is going to be available for any/all of them? Which airline? Seems most are laying off also. Just sounds like some dumb f@cked up sh!t to me!

It's better to balk now, take the paycut, and look towards the future for possible re-initiation of their salary, then to be without work.. saying their shoulda-coulda-woulda's.

And then they also have to realize that they aren't they only one's their little strike will upset. Should anything happen to US because of this, the pilots and other groups that conceeded would have the right to beat and sue every one of their @sses...

That is the kinda of stupid sh!t that pisses me off...



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineSpoke2Spoke From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 190 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

I wouldn't jump to such drastic conclusions yet, as some have on this thread. This is just positioning for negotiation. I think we all need to take a deep breath and wait and see...


...carelessness and overconfidence are usually far more dangerous than deliberately accepted risks. - Wilbur Wright
User currently offlineFlybyguy From United States of America, joined Jun 2004, 1801 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4563 times:

BENNETT123,

This selfish action will ruin the job market since there will be now one less company available in the industry to offer jobs or hold active jobs.



"Are you a pretender... or a thoroughbred?!" - Professor Matt Miller
User currently offlineERJ170 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 6754 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4505 times:

BENNETT123,

This selfish action will ruin the job market since there will be now one less company available in the industry to offer jobs or hold active jobs.


Exactly, and that will be 10's of thousands of people expecting to get a job in the airline industry that has already laid of 10's of thousands. It's a lose-lose situation. Who will suffer? Not just the employees. Not just the management. But also the traveling public. Also the Airport Authorities. Also the supporting services. Basically, it is going to be felt by everyone. Just because a few thousand people could take it to the ass, millions will be affected. Just some bullsh!t.. Ahh, this pisses me off!



Aiming High and going far..
User currently offlineCLT18R From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 81 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4475 times:

I am glad I have a job in CLT because if US goes belly up, there will be a lot of people looking for ANY job in Charlotte. Stupid move, stupid move. On the bright side, we will see more non-US planes when spotting out by runway18R and flying out of CLT will get a LOT cheaper.

User currently onlineScottB From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 6708 posts, RR: 32
Reply 23, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

First of all, the CWA-represented workers at US Airways (not to mention all other union-represented workers at the airline) cannot strike unless and until the bankruptcy court judge permits the company to abrogate its labor contracts. It's unlikely that the process of rejecting the collective bargaining agreements will be completed before the end of the year, so there won't be a strike at US Airways during the holidays.

That said, the CWA members really have no obligations to anyone aside from themselves and their families. If the pilots are so concerned about the health of the company, they ought to offer to take deeper cuts so that the company can survive. Goodness knows they have the most to lose aside from senior management. What a lot of you don't understand is that the company's demands aren't about saving these people's jobs; the company is demanding the right to outsource much of the work done by these employees. So, in essence, by accepting this contract, many of the CWA members would be voting themselves out of a job anyway. And I don't think they're too thrilled to sacrifice themselves to save six-figure pilot salaries and Bruce Lakefield's "pimple" of a $425,000 annual salary. And the fact is that at the new pay levels, many of these folks could find other jobs with better hours somewhere else.

The strike vote is pretty much CWA's only leverage to get the company to negotiate in good faith. It's also a message to the management that using scare tactics and offering progressively worse contracts will not result in capitulation.


User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13508 posts, RR: 62
Reply 24, posted (9 years 8 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4345 times:
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Eastern's IAM union leader Charilie Bryan cuts grass at a golf course last I heard.

Which one? I've got a five-iron ready to launch a Precept titanium ball that has his forehead's name ALL OVER it.  Big grin



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25 Slider : Russian roulette with zero empty chambers. Why don't we learn from history? It's all so futile. ScottB- I understand yuor thought about forcing the co
26 STLGph : If this shuts down US Airways at the holiday time (like the strike was/is planned), and if ATA makes it until then, this will be very good for ATA at
27 Willbdsp : I'd like to see ATA move to PIT. If the strike goes thru, I know where ATA can get some employees!!
28 ORD2PHL : Goooooodbye Blue Sky (ala Pink Floyd) The might as well strike, last week I was at the Preferred/Star Alliance Gold counter in PHL and when I walked u
29 Willbdsp : Say they do strike right before Thanksgiving...what will happen if I am holding a US ticket?
30 Spoke2Spoke : According to ScottB, and his logic sounds good, they probably can't realistically strike before 2005. EA CO AS, that was really funny. I'd love to see
31 Ltbewr : This is probably to counter the possible changes in their contracts by the Bankrupty Court. As noted above, probably won't be a strike until after the
32 Post contains images Nucsh : ERj170, thank you... Now I wont have to type as much. This pisses me off just as much. Especially the part where they're thinking that stiking against
33 ScottB : Slider- There may well be few options, but the choice with which the CWA- (and the AFA- and IAM-) represented are faced appears to be between two equa
34 SHUPirate1 : Nucsh-I agree...I have 8 flights on US during a 17 day stretch right before New Year's, they better survive at least that long (and the first four are
35 Nwfltattendant : FULL PAY TO THE LAST DAY !!! (and then no job) OK.. i guess the future doesnt matter, BUT DAMMIT I GUESS FULL PAY TO THE LAST DAY IS THE BOTTOM LINE..
36 Contrails : The end is near. What a shame.
37 ETStar : At least they will have no-one but themselves to blame when they are walking on all fours trying to get unemployment checks or even food stamps... tal
38 WGW2707 : This is absolutely sickening. I think US Airways should lock these swine out... Would it be legal for US Airways to reactivate furloughed employees fr
39 Noise : What idiots! All they are going to do is kill the company they are working for! Where's the logic? This is so stupid, it sickens me.
40 BENNETT123 : Replies 20 and 21 only make sense if you assume that the services will not be offered by other airlines. If this is true, will will be due to lack of
41 WGW2707 : Bennett, you fail to realize that many industries such as the retail sector have operated for years in a constant state of overcapacity. Overcapacity
42 BENNETT123 : WGW2707 If there is demand for services from these towns, then why do you assume that they will not be provided by other carriers. I find your assert
43 Chgoflyer : Yet another Union contribution to U.S. aviation. Is there a law saying they have to work there? If everyone is so unsatisfied they go get another job.
44 Rongotai : Chgoflyer Presumably your comment that they can always go and get another job is an affirmation of the philosophy that everyone is entitled to act in
45 RyanAFAMSP : I commend all of the USAirways CWA members for their courage and integrity in these unbelievably challenging times. We have to stop and examine the wo
46 UAL Bagsmasher : You people on this forum who are bum rapping the decision of US Airways workers make me sick. I don't see your pay getting cut to near poverty wages.
47 Gigneil : For all of you 16-20 year old guys who buy into the whole angry right-wing American man thing, and call these people imbecile and stupid and greedy, k
48 Moman : I posted the same post in the SCAB forum: Well I am not union and no friend of unions, but I believe there is a need for them in certain industries. I
49 Dc8jet : STUPID-STUPID-STUPID!!! But don't worry I hear ther'e hiring at Mc Donalds!
50 UAL Bagsmasher : You can make more at Mc Donalad's than what US is paying these guys.
51 Shortsfa : Most of you have no idea. You take a 34% pay cut and your President takes nothing and see how you feel. Oh and we are not looking for a raise [ass] we
52 Gigneil : When you're unhappy, and you're below $10 an hour, you leave and go elsewhere. You don't bomb a company. Welcome to the new aviation market. $10/hr is
53 ETStar : RyanAFAMSP, while I understand your solidarity with the unions, don't you think even a little bit that what they propose could indeed make them jobles
54 Greasespot : You guys are complete morons. It is easy to sit in your ivory towers and pass judgment when in fact your parents are paying all your bills. When you m
55 BigB : Guys, These people can only take so much. It is not like these employees can stop paying their bills. I support these employees going on strike. US Ai
56 Chgoflyer : Rongotal: Thanks for your response. My comment is totally based on the ideal that everyone is free to go elsewhere especially when we live in a countr
57 BigB : ChgoFlyer Keep in mind that, the employees will ONLY strike if US Air got to cut their pay with employees voting on the pay cut. Basically these emplo
58 B727 : I agree with BigB. It's going to happen sooner or later, let it happen and perhaps Delta and other carriers in trouble will be able to pick up more cu
59 Bucky707 : "Would it be legal for US Airways to reactivate furloughed employees from other trades (ie Pilots, FAs etc.) to replace these jerks on an interim basi
60 J32driver : "When you're unhappy, and you're below $10 an hour, you leave and go elsewhere. You don't bomb a company." Wow Gigneil, you've been around this board
61 Shortsfa : Again most of you have no idea about the industry and are only worried about you and only you. Try working with a 34%decrease in pay and tell me how y
62 Speedport : Let me tip-my-hat to many of you for your insightful posts. I agree, most on this board are snot-nosed kids who have bought the line that "greed is go
63 BigB : J32driver, Welcome to my respect Users list.
64 Aa717driver : Great post J32 and Shortsfa. They take your retirement but keep theirs. They are asking you to work for less that McD's pays WHILE they plan to outsou
65 SonOfACaptain : Isn’t it illegal to strike in Ch. 11 bankruptcy? -SOAC
66 Speedport : In these day of 'legalese' it is hard to say what is, or isn't, legal. During the time employees remain under contract, they have the legal right to s
67 Isp : for those of you who continue to say that the government won't support US anymore, I have news for you... the government never did! The government gua
68 Flaps : I've been staunchly pro management all of my life.....I guess its time for a change. To the CWA workers and all of the abused and downtrodden at US, y
69 Chgoflyer : The word "rape" is continually used in this thread. Can we re think this? Anyone actually been raped? If so you probably will realize that this is not
70 Gigneil : US Air is in trouble because is a shi**y product.... same reason agony before them had problems. What? US has a superior product, especially on intern
71 Chgoflyer : Superior to what? Lot..
72 Post contains links and images RogerThat : Hello Mojave, the rest of the fleet is on the way. View Large View MediumPhoto © AirNikon
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